1st server in an SBS premium environment...

We are looking at moving to SBS 2008 premium but due to $ constraints we
will not be going to the two-server scenario to run SQL on just yet. In
fact, we will stick with our current SQL Server (a win2k server) until such
time as we can afford to purchase the 2nd server.

My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512) and
dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.

I was thinking that maybe I could upgrade this server (drives and RAM) and
use this one as the primary SBS server - as we will not be doing
virtualization on the primary server. Can the primary server be a 32bit
machine or does it HAVE to be a 64 bit machine? I believe this server does
have x64 processors but I have not been able to confirm it just yet.

Being able to use this server would save us some much needed $'s...

Thanks, Brad

In article <>,
says...
> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
> server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512) and
> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>

Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them with
drives and RAM.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...

Brad
"Leythos" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> In article <>,
> says...
>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
>> server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512) and
>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>
>
> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them with
> drives and RAM.
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <#>,
says...
>
> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
> processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
> possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...

Dual CPU's are not expensive - I would rather have Dual Quad Core CPU's
that are slower than a faster Single Quad Core CPU.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

The interesting thing is that for the Dell servers I have spriced on their
site, they are not offering quad core processors at all as an option - they
are only offering the Xeon processors - I am assuming single core as none of
them indicate they are dual or quad core etc...

Brad

"Leythos" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> In article <#>,
> says...
>>
>> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
>> processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
>> possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...
>
> Dual CPU's are not expensive - I would rather have Dual Quad Core CPU's
> that are slower than a faster Single Quad Core CPU.
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> (remove 999 for proper email address)

The big advantage to using dual CPUs, regardless of core count, is RAM
support. More CPUs == higher max RAM, in general. Not a huge issue
initially, but could be later. Also, since in another thread you're talking
about virtualizing, understand that you can NOT use the main SBS server as a
virtualization host.

I don't make a habit of pushing my book, but from the messages I'm seeing
here in the last couple of days, I think you would definitely benefit from a
good book on SBS 2008. IMHO, there are two good ones out there - mine and
Eriq Neale's. Either (or both) would be a definite benefit to your
understanding and preparation for moving to SBS.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel




"Brad Pears" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
> processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
> possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...
>
> Brad
> "Leythos" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
>> In article <>,
>> says...
>>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
>>> server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512) and
>>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>>
>>
>> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them with
>> drives and RAM.
>>
>> --
>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
>> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
>> Trust yourself.
>> (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
>

Sounds good Charlie... Send me a link to your book so I can take a peek -
will most likely purchase it. Yes, I do understand that virtualization is
only done on the 2nd server - I may have confused you there... There
certainly is a lot more to think about then there was with SBS 2000!!!

Thanks,
Brad

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The big advantage to using dual CPUs, regardless of core count, is RAM
> support. More CPUs == higher max RAM, in general. Not a huge issue
> initially, but could be later. Also, since in another thread you're
> talking about virtualizing, understand that you can NOT use the main SBS
> server as a virtualization host.
>
> I don't make a habit of pushing my book, but from the messages I'm seeing
> here in the last couple of days, I think you would definitely benefit from
> a good book on SBS 2008. IMHO, there are two good ones out there - mine
> and Eriq Neale's. Either (or both) would be a definite benefit to your
> understanding and preparation for moving to SBS.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>
>
>
>
> "Brad Pears" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
>> processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
>> possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...
>>
>> Brad
>> "Leythos" <> wrote in message
>> news: om...
>>> In article <>,
>>> says...
>>>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
>>>> server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512)
>>>> and
>>>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them with
>>> drives and RAM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
>>> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
>>> Trust yourself.
>>> (remove 999 for proper email address)
>>
>>
>

Another really tricky thing will be planning the migration to sbs 2008.
Since we already have an SBS 2000 environment, we can not set the SBS 2008
machine up on the same network - so will have to configure it on a differnet
subnet to avoid issues. I'll spend some time working with it and getting
familiar with it then one weekend we'll migrate everything over and go from
there... Going from Exchange 2000 to 2007 should be a fun job!!!! Does your
book cover anything like that???? LOL! We aren't moving to SQL 2008 right
away though - that will come once we have the money and can purchase the
second server.

PS... One more quick question... Outlook 2002 will work with Exchange 2007
correct?

Brad


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The big advantage to using dual CPUs, regardless of core count, is RAM
> support. More CPUs == higher max RAM, in general. Not a huge issue
> initially, but could be later. Also, since in another thread you're
> talking about virtualizing, understand that you can NOT use the main SBS
> server as a virtualization host.
>
> I don't make a habit of pushing my book, but from the messages I'm seeing
> here in the last couple of days, I think you would definitely benefit from
> a good book on SBS 2008. IMHO, there are two good ones out there - mine
> and Eriq Neale's. Either (or both) would be a definite benefit to your
> understanding and preparation for moving to SBS.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>
>
>
>
> "Brad Pears" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual core
>> processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no - but quite
>> possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be beneficial...
>>
>> Brad
>> "Leythos" <> wrote in message
>> news: om...
>>> In article <>,
>>> says...
>>>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell Poweredge 2800
>>>> server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server has 2gb ram (4x512)
>>>> and
>>>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them with
>>> drives and RAM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
>>> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
>>> Trust yourself.
>>> (remove 999 for proper email address)
>>
>>
>

Did you see the MS white paper:

Migrating Microsoft Small Business Server 2000 to Windows Small Business
Server 2008

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...8WS.10%29.aspx


--
Allan Williams




Brad Pears wrote:
> Another really tricky thing will be planning the migration to sbs
> 2008. Since we already have an SBS 2000 environment, we can not set
> the SBS 2008 machine up on the same network - so will have to
> configure it on a differnet subnet to avoid issues. I'll spend some
> time working with it and getting familiar with it then one weekend
> we'll migrate everything over and go from there... Going from
> Exchange 2000 to 2007 should be a fun job!!!! Does your book cover
> anything like that???? LOL! We aren't moving to SQL 2008 right away
> though - that will come once we have the money and can purchase the
> second server.
> PS... One more quick question... Outlook 2002 will work with Exchange
> 2007 correct?
>
> Brad
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in
> message news:...
>> The big advantage to using dual CPUs, regardless of core count, is
>> RAM support. More CPUs == higher max RAM, in general. Not a huge
>> issue initially, but could be later. Also, since in another thread
>> you're talking about virtualizing, understand that you can NOT use
>> the main SBS server as a virtualization host.
>>
>> I don't make a habit of pushing my book, but from the messages I'm
>> seeing here in the last couple of days, I think you would definitely
>> benefit from a good book on SBS 2008. IMHO, there are two good ones
>> out there - mine and Eriq Neale's. Either (or both) would be a
>> definite benefit to your understanding and preparation for moving to
>> SBS. --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brad Pears" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual
>>> core processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no -
>>> but quite possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be
>>> beneficial... Brad
>>> "Leythos" <> wrote in message
>>> news: om...
>>>> In article <>,
>>>> says...
>>>>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell
>>>>> Poweredge 2800 server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server
>>>>> has 2gb ram (4x512) and
>>>>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them
>>>> with drives and RAM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the
>>>> little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear --
>>>> Listen to that. Trust yourself.
>>>> (remove 999 for proper email address)

Nope - I did not!!! Thanks for that!

brad
"Al Williams" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Did you see the MS white paper:
>
> Migrating Microsoft Small Business Server 2000 to Windows Small Business
> Server 2008
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...8WS.10%29.aspx
>
>
> --
> Allan Williams
>
>
>
>
> Brad Pears wrote:
>> Another really tricky thing will be planning the migration to sbs
>> 2008. Since we already have an SBS 2000 environment, we can not set
>> the SBS 2008 machine up on the same network - so will have to
>> configure it on a differnet subnet to avoid issues. I'll spend some
>> time working with it and getting familiar with it then one weekend
>> we'll migrate everything over and go from there... Going from
>> Exchange 2000 to 2007 should be a fun job!!!! Does your book cover
>> anything like that???? LOL! We aren't moving to SQL 2008 right away
>> though - that will come once we have the money and can purchase the
>> second server.
>> PS... One more quick question... Outlook 2002 will work with Exchange
>> 2007 correct?
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in
>> message news:...
>>> The big advantage to using dual CPUs, regardless of core count, is
>>> RAM support. More CPUs == higher max RAM, in general. Not a huge
>>> issue initially, but could be later. Also, since in another thread
>>> you're talking about virtualizing, understand that you can NOT use
>>> the main SBS server as a virtualization host.
>>>
>>> I don't make a habit of pushing my book, but from the messages I'm
>>> seeing here in the last couple of days, I think you would definitely
>>> benefit from a good book on SBS 2008. IMHO, there are two good ones
>>> out there - mine and Eriq Neale's. Either (or both) would be a
>>> definite benefit to your understanding and preparation for moving to
>>> SBS. --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brad Pears" <> wrote in message
>>> news:%...
>>>> Would you recommend dual processors (as opposed to a single dual
>>>> core processor) in the primary server at all? I am thinking no -
>>>> but quite possibly for the second "virtualized" server it might be
>>>> beneficial... Brad
>>>> "Leythos" <> wrote in message
>>>> news: om...
>>>>> In article <>,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> My question is this, we currently have a fairly new Dell
>>>>>> Poweredge 2800 server with two mirrored 75gb drives. The server
>>>>>> has 2gb ram (4x512) and
>>>>>> dual Xeon 3ghz processors with 2mb L2 cache.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a Dell 410 series server, they are cheap and you can load them
>>>>> with drives and RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the
>>>>> little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear --
>>>>> Listen to that. Trust yourself.
>>>>> (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
>