2003 server, hotmail and Outlook Express

So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for $300
it comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server software such as IIS. On
the other hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop then another
$999 for windows 2003 server (because you write code that runs on server for
a living), MS doesn't see it fit for you to check your e-mail or to use MSN
messenger anymore. Now that i think about it, windows 2008 server is
considered an acceptable OS for windows live so it seems there is just a
policy against 2003 server..

I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express is
a lean and mean, no-frills mail client that just works really well (except
the 1000 contact limitations). I have a domain name that is on all my
business cards but all my family friends and 1/2 of my customers still use
my free hotmail account. I've had it since MSN was called Marvel in the mid
90s and its become so important to me i would be willing to pay an anual fee
to keep it open and active.

Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on windows
2003?

Leon

----- Original Message -----
From: smlunatick
Newsgroups:
microsoft.public.internet.mail,microsoft.public.ou tlookexpress.general
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot use hotmail with Outlook Express


On Sep 3, 4:42 pm, "Leon McCalla" <leonmcca...@drop.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> why isn't Windows server 2003 supported for windows live?
>
> Leon
> "

Windows Server is a "server" grade version of Windows. Microsoft has
never considered it to be used as a "general" user Windows (a la
Windows XP.)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 05:36:35 -0400, Leon McCalla wrote:

> So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for $300
> it comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server software such as IIS. On
> the other hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop then another
> $999 for windows 2003 server (because you write code that runs on server for
> a living), MS doesn't see it fit for you to check your e-mail or to use MSN
> messenger anymore.

MSN Messenger is old, and obsolete. Replaced by Windows Live Messenger.
Should MS have to continue to support Windows 3.1, or DOS 6.22 just because
a handful of users prefer to be stuck in the 20th Century?

> Now that i think about it, windows 2008 server is
> considered an acceptable OS for windows live so it seems there is just a
> policy against 2003 server..

It isn't a 'policy', just the reality of moving forward. I've got software
which ran fine under MS DOS 6.22, which doesn't run worth a diddly-dam on
Windows XP.

> I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express is
> a lean and mean, no-frills mail client that just works really well (except
> the 1000 contact limitations).

And MS Outlook Express hasn't been developed since 2006. It is a component
of MS Internet Explorer, which hasn't shipped since MS stopped selling
Windows XP.

> I have a domain name that is on all my business cards but all my family friends
> and 1/2 of my customers still use my free hotmail account. I've had it since MSN
> was called Marvel in the mid 90s and its become so important to me i would be
> willing to pay an anual fee to keep it open and active.

Hotmail is still supported; but it hasn't been called, "MSN Hotmail" since
MS rolled out "Windows Live". It is now, "Windows Live Hotmail". And it is
still accessible with an HTTPMail client; albeit the end of support for
WebDAV means the end of support for MS Outlook Express. Windows Live Mail
supports the new, "DeltaSync" protocol, and works just fine for HTTPMail
access.

> Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on windows
> 2003?

Whomever is in charge of the "Buggy Whip" division of Microsoft.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

I don't recall MSn ever being called Marvel. I also don't recall any licensing agreements to permit Msn to use that name.

Marvel went public in '91 well in advance of MSN and retained the rights of that name throughout the entire 90's.

Fyi..- at IPO, initial parent corporation was Revlon, ToyBiz(a Marvel subsidiary) gained control or the company and name when the
company went bankrupt, '97, finally escaping in 2000, today it and the name are part of Disney)

Msn was originally called The Microsoft Network launched in '95, later renamed MSN Classic with Msn 2.0 software(with its branded
MSN Preview(stage show like appearance), subsequent versions were 2.5, 2.6 before jumping up a few numbers to 5.x

Hotmail, shortly after acquisition by Msft was renamed MSN Hotmail.
Afaik, the Marvel name wasn't used in Hotmail's history either.

As someone who's always been interested in historical accuracy, could you provide some links or data indicating MSN use of the
Marvel name(e.g. local, country specific branding ????)

To send feedback to Windows Live

Feedback Live(Choose A Service)
https://feedback.live.com/default.aspx?

Feedback Live Hotmail(WLH)
https://feedback.live.com/?mkt=en-us&productkey=wlmail

Feedback for Windows Live Mail(WLM)
https://feedback.live.com/default.as...=wlmaildesktop



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ms-mvp mail

"Leon McCalla" <> wrote in message news:#...
> So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for $300 it comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server
> software such as IIS. On the other hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop then another $999 for windows 2003 server
> (because you write code that runs on server for a living), MS doesn't see it fit for you to check your e-mail or to use MSN
> messenger anymore. Now that i think about it, windows 2008 server is considered an acceptable OS for windows live so it seems
> there is just a policy against 2003 server..
>
> I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express is a lean and mean, no-frills mail client that just
> works really well (except the 1000 contact limitations). I have a domain name that is on all my business cards but all my family
> friends and 1/2 of my customers still use my free hotmail account. I've had it since MSN was called Marvel in the mid 90s and its
> become so important to me i would be willing to pay an anual fee to keep it open and active.
>
> Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on windows 2003?
>
> Leon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: smlunatick
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internet.mail,microsoft.public.ou tlookexpress.general
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Cannot use hotmail with Outlook Express
>
>
> On Sep 3, 4:42 pm, "Leon McCalla" <leonmcca...@drop.hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > why isn't Windows server 2003 supported for windows live?
> >
> > Leon
> > "
>
> Windows Server is a "server" grade version of Windows. Microsoft has
> never considered it to be used as a "general" user Windows (a la
> Windows XP.)
>

Ok i may be mistaken but i still think Marvel was the name of the dial-up
internet service that Microsoft was trying to unveil before they decided on
"The Microsoft Network" all this was about the same time as the windows 95
beta rollout. I googled "Microsoft marvel 1995" and below is the first link
that popped up. if the name was not Marvel then i apologize.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-16200345.html

The bottom line is that I've been using MS' Internet explorer and Outlook
express and windows messenger live from their very first version up to the
most recent version they will allow me to run on my desktop. I would love to
run windows live but it since it bars windows 2003 server then I have no
choice but to stay with older versions of windows live messenger 8.1 and
outlook express 6.

Why am i running windows 2003 server? well I'm a developer and many of my
customers use windows 2003 server. Code i write is for phone companies and
many of them are using windows 2003, windows 2000 and some of them even
windows NT embedded. I'm running SQL 2008 on this machine but i have to
write code that is compatible with SQL 2000 because there is still a large
installed base that i have to be able to patch if a bug pops up.

I'm only bitching because i feel that if the install module did not have
windows 2003 server restricted, i think the code would work. There is
nothing that can run on windows XP that will fail on windows 2003 unless the
developer manually decides it must work like that and windows live install
on XP.

Leon



"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I don't recall MSn ever being called Marvel. I also don't recall any
>licensing agreements to permit Msn to use that name.
>
> Marvel went public in '91 well in advance of MSN and retained the rights
> of that name throughout the entire 90's.
>
> Fyi..- at IPO, initial parent corporation was Revlon, ToyBiz(a Marvel
> subsidiary) gained control or the company and name when the company went
> bankrupt, '97, finally escaping in 2000, today it and the name are part of
> Disney)
>
> Msn was originally called The Microsoft Network launched in '95, later
> renamed MSN Classic with Msn 2.0 software(with its branded MSN
> Preview(stage show like appearance), subsequent versions were 2.5, 2.6
> before jumping up a few numbers to 5.x
>
> Hotmail, shortly after acquisition by Msft was renamed MSN Hotmail.
> Afaik, the Marvel name wasn't used in Hotmail's history either.
>
> As someone who's always been interested in historical accuracy, could you
> provide some links or data indicating MSN use of the Marvel name(e.g.
> local, country specific branding ????)
>
> To send feedback to Windows Live
>
> Feedback Live(Choose A Service)
> https://feedback.live.com/default.aspx?
>
> Feedback Live Hotmail(WLH)
> https://feedback.live.com/?mkt=en-us&productkey=wlmail
>
> Feedback for Windows Live Mail(WLM)
> https://feedback.live.com/default.as...=wlmaildesktop
>
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "Leon McCalla" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for
>> $300 it comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server software such as
>> IIS. On the other hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop then
>> another $999 for windows 2003 server (because you write code that runs on
>> server for a living), MS doesn't see it fit for you to check your e-mail
>> or to use MSN messenger anymore. Now that i think about it, windows 2008
>> server is considered an acceptable OS for windows live so it seems there
>> is just a policy against 2003 server..
>>
>> I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express
>> is a lean and mean, no-frills mail client that just works really well
>> (except the 1000 contact limitations). I have a domain name that is on
>> all my business cards but all my family friends and 1/2 of my customers
>> still use my free hotmail account. I've had it since MSN was called
>> Marvel in the mid 90s and its become so important to me i would be
>> willing to pay an anual fee to keep it open and active.
>>
>> Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on
>> windows 2003?
>>
>> Leon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: smlunatick
>> Newsgroups:
>> microsoft.public.internet.mail,microsoft.public.ou tlookexpress.general
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Cannot use hotmail with Outlook Express
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 4:42 pm, "Leon McCalla" <leonmcca...@drop.hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > why isn't Windows server 2003 supported for windows live?
>> >
>> > Leon
>> > "
>>
>> Windows Server is a "server" grade version of Windows. Microsoft has
>> never considered it to be used as a "general" user Windows (a la
>> Windows XP.)
>>

ok i have windows 2003 server. I want to move forward. I believe i'm
trapped at windows live messenger 8.1 and outlook express 6. do you have any
suggestions other than upgrading to windows server 2008 or using MS outlook?

Leon

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:28:57 -0400, Leon McCalla wrote:

> ok i have windows 2003 server. I want to move forward. I believe i'm
> trapped at windows live messenger 8.1 and outlook express 6. do you have any
> suggestions other than upgrading to windows server 2008 or using MS outlook?

No. Other than upgrading to an OS which supports the newer apps, no. I
couldn't run Windows Live Mail on a creaky old HP Pavilion 6745C until I
upgraded the OS from Windows ME to Windows XP Home Edition. And that,
currently at SP3, will go EoL in April, 2014. The hardware requirements for
Windows Vista are greater than that creaky old HP Pavilion can handle. It is
almost as obsolete as the HP Vectra 486/33T sitting out in the garage.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:19:15 -0400, Leon McCalla wrote:

> Ok i may be mistaken but i still think Marvel was the name of the dial-up
> internet service that Microsoft was trying to unveil before they decided on
> "The Microsoft Network" all this was about the same time as the windows 95
> beta rollout. I googled "Microsoft marvel 1995" and below is the first link
> that popped up. if the name was not Marvel then i apologize.
>
> http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-16200345.html

"Code named, "Marvel"". Sort of like, "Longhorn", or "Capricorn". I own a
"Capricorn", which was the HP development code name for the HP 85 computer.
Never sold as, "Capricorn", though (and the reason there is an "Apple"
computer, as Steve Wozniak built his "Apple I" out of parts legally acquired
from HP when he worked there as an engineer's assistant; he offered his
design to HP, as required under the program by which he got the parts, and
HP released their interest in the design, as it duplicated their "Capricorn"
product."

"Longhorn" was the development code name for the OS currently shipped by
Microsoft as, "Windows Vista".

Code names are internal development project names, and often won't be
released under the code name. Calling a commercial product, "Marvel" would
almost certainly invite the legal attention of the owners of the publisher
of that name.

> The bottom line is that I've been using MS' Internet explorer and Outlook
> express and windows messenger live from their very first version up to the
> most recent version they will allow me to run on my desktop. I would love to
> run windows live but it since it bars windows 2003 server then I have no
> choice but to stay with older versions of windows live messenger 8.1 and
> outlook express 6.

And I was unable to run Windows Live Messenger on an HP Pavilion 6745C;
until I upgraded it from Windows ME to Windows XP.

As Rin Ogata (fictional character from the manga/anime story /Rideback/)
says, "The world changes."

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Will someone please remind me why this topic is still being discussed in OE
General newsgroup (other than the fact that Leon hijacked the thread on the
3rd and began the crosspost to WLMessenger newsgroup on the 4th without
removing the crosspost)?

@Leon: If you've already got WLMessenger v8.1 running in Win2003 Server (as
your second post today suggests), stick with it: Win2003 is one of the OSS
where you will not be forced to upgrade to WLMessenger v14.0.8089 in the
coming weeks. See
http://messengersays.spaces.live.com...9E!82557.entry
and the 28 Aug-09 Update at the bottom of the page.


Leon McCalla wrote:
> Ok i may be mistaken but i still think Marvel was the name of the dial-up
> internet service that Microsoft was trying to unveil before they decided
> on
> "The Microsoft Network" all this was about the same time as the windows 95
> beta rollout. I googled "Microsoft marvel 1995" and below is the first
> link
> that popped up. if the name was not Marvel then i apologize.
>
> http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-16200345.html
>
> The bottom line is that I've been using MS' Internet explorer and Outlook
> express and windows messenger live from their very first version up to the
> most recent version they will allow me to run on my desktop. I would love
> to
> run windows live but it since it bars windows 2003 server then I have no
> choice but to stay with older versions of windows live messenger 8.1 and
> outlook express 6.
>
> Why am i running windows 2003 server? well I'm a developer and many of my
> customers use windows 2003 server. Code i write is for phone companies and
> many of them are using windows 2003, windows 2000 and some of them even
> windows NT embedded. I'm running SQL 2008 on this machine but i have to
> write code that is compatible with SQL 2000 because there is still a large
> installed base that i have to be able to patch if a bug pops up.
>
> I'm only bitching because i feel that if the install module did not have
> windows 2003 server restricted, i think the code would work. There is
> nothing that can run on windows XP that will fail on windows 2003 unless
> the
> developer manually decides it must work like that and windows live install
> on XP.
>
> Leon
>
>
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I don't recall MSn ever being called Marvel. I also don't recall any
>> licensing agreements to permit Msn to use that name.
>>
>> Marvel went public in '91 well in advance of MSN and retained the rights
>> of that name throughout the entire 90's.
>>
>> Fyi..- at IPO, initial parent corporation was Revlon, ToyBiz(a Marvel
>> subsidiary) gained control or the company and name when the company went
>> bankrupt, '97, finally escaping in 2000, today it and the name are part
>> of
>> Disney)
>>
>> Msn was originally called The Microsoft Network launched in '95, later
>> renamed MSN Classic with Msn 2.0 software(with its branded MSN
>> Preview(stage show like appearance), subsequent versions were 2.5, 2.6
>> before jumping up a few numbers to 5.x
>>
>> Hotmail, shortly after acquisition by Msft was renamed MSN Hotmail.
>> Afaik, the Marvel name wasn't used in Hotmail's history either.
>>
>> As someone who's always been interested in historical accuracy, could you
>> provide some links or data indicating MSN use of the Marvel name(e.g.
>> local, country specific branding ????)
>>
>> To send feedback to Windows Live
>>
>> Feedback Live(Choose A Service)
>> https://feedback.live.com/default.aspx?
>>
>> Feedback Live Hotmail(WLH)
>> https://feedback.live.com/?mkt=en-us&productkey=wlmail
>>
>> Feedback for Windows Live Mail(WLM)
>> https://feedback.live.com/default.as...=wlmaildesktop
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "Leon McCalla" <> wrote in message
>> news:#...
>>> So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for
>>> $300 it comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server software such as
>>> IIS. On the other hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop
>>> then
>>> another $999 for windows 2003 server (because you write code that runs
>>> on
>>> server for a living), MS doesn't see it fit for you to check your e-mail
>>> or to use MSN messenger anymore. Now that i think about it, windows 2008
>>> server is considered an acceptable OS for windows live so it seems there
>>> is just a policy against 2003 server..
>>>
>>> I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express
>>> is a lean and mean, no-frills mail client that just works really well
>>> (except the 1000 contact limitations). I have a domain name that is on
>>> all my business cards but all my family friends and 1/2 of my customers
>>> still use my free hotmail account. I've had it since MSN was called
>>> Marvel in the mid 90s and its become so important to me i would be
>>> willing to pay an anual fee to keep it open and active.
>>>
>>> Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on
>>> windows 2003?
>>>
>>> Leon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: smlunatick
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> microsoft.public.internet.mail,microsoft.public.ou tlookexpress.general
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Cannot use hotmail with Outlook Express
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 4:42 pm, "Leon McCalla" <leonmcca...@drop.hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > why isn't Windows server 2003 supported for windows live?
>>> >
>>> > Leon
>>> > "
>>>
>>> Windows Server is a "server" grade version of Windows. Microsoft has
>>> never considered it to be used as a "general" user Windows (a la
>>> Windows XP.)

I have no idea what you are smoking but Windows Live Messenger runs like a charm on
this W2K3 Enterprise box. Outlook which I also use in conjunction with Exchange runs
extremely fast here and I do not see anyone having issues with it unless it is self
induced.
You are talking a big nothing and please learn how to use W2K3 and Outlook instead
of blaming everyone and anyone for you incompetence.
Just for you to know what I use so as Windows Live Messenger works flawlessly as
does Outlook 2003

W2K3 Enterprise SP2 set in DC mode
Office Enterprise 2003 SP3



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"Leon McCalla" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> So just to understand things clearly. if i buy a laptop at walmart for $300 it
> comes with XP and i'm alllowed to run server software such as IIS. On the other
> hand, If you spend $2000 on a really good desktop then another $999 for windows
> 2003 server (because you write code that runs on server for a living), MS doesn't
> see it fit for you to check your e-mail or to use MSN messenger anymore. Now that
> i think about it, windows 2008 server is considered an acceptable OS for windows
> live so it seems there is just a policy against 2003 server..
>
> I refuse to use Outlook because its slow and bloated but outlook express is a lean
> and mean, no-frills mail client that just works really well (except the 1000
> contact limitations). I have a domain name that is on all my business cards but
> all my family friends and 1/2 of my customers still use my free hotmail account.
> I've had it since MSN was called Marvel in the mid 90s and its become so important
> to me i would be willing to pay an anual fee to keep it open and active.
>
> Who do i need to write a lettter to in order to plead for support on windows 2003?
>
> Leon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: smlunatick
> Newsgroups:
> microsoft.public.internet.mail,microsoft.public.ou tlookexpress.general
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Cannot use hotmail with Outlook Express
>
>
> On Sep 3, 4:42 pm, "Leon McCalla" <leonmcca...@drop.hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > why isn't Windows server 2003 supported for windows live?
> >
> > Leon
> > "
>
> Windows Server is a "server" grade version of Windows. Microsoft has
> never considered it to be used as a "general" user Windows (a la
> Windows XP.)
>

And the reason why you stuck your nose in here where it does not belong , is what
???

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"~BD~" <> wrote in message
news:Yr-dnZmxZeIcujnXnZ2dnUVZ8o-...
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Will someone please remind me why this topic is still being discussed in OE
>> General newsgroup (other than the fact that Leon hijacked the thread on the 3rd
>> and began the crosspost to WLMessenger newsgroup on the 4th without removing the
>> crosspost)?
>
> No. WTF has it got to do with you, Mr Dyer?
>
> Are you paying the server costs?
>
> --
> Dave (still waiting for you to apologise to me for lying!)