64 bit versions

will there be true 64 bit version of messenger & live mail?

Greetings,

Not that I've heard. I don't think that's really likely at this point, for instance,
Messenger uses a lot of flash-based content inside of you (advertisements, winks, etc.) and
there is no 64-bit Windows version of flash.

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"fieseler" <> wrote in message
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> will there be true 64 bit version of messenger & live mail?

> I don't think that's really likely at this point, for instance,
> Messenger uses a lot of flash-based content inside of you (advertisements, winks, etc.) and
> there is no 64-bit Windows version of flash.

Yes, I too noticed this. It is very, very, poor indeed. It makes Adobe/Flash
seem very backwards (or possibly just lazy? greedy?).

IMHO one would have had to have coded something pretty poorly in C++ to not
be able to build a 64bit version of it (or have it written in a language
which doesn't support 64bit). They should have at least had beta versions of
Flash 64bit for months!

Mind you, "I don't see why Microsoft is letting Adobe's lack of progress
prevent them releasing a 64bit version of Messenger?". I feel Microsoft
should use the oportunity to provide a business driver for Adobe to get their
64bit act together (by making messenger available in 64bit. Obviously with
accompanying notices about whatever functionality will not be available in
the 64bit version due to third parties). Then, people moving to 64 bit
messenger will be a massive insentive for Adobe to get Flash to 64bit quickly
(also, might shake up some competition if Adobe don't adapt).

Come on, challenge for you MS .

Hi,

I don't think that's really possible, from both a technical and corporate standpoint.
Technically, different parts of Messenger come from different teams (the UI stuff is
Microsoft's own DirectUI library, the voice/video comes from another team, etc.), so getting
all that to 64-bit might not be an option. Also, Messenger operates as a COM control which
various partners have plugged into over the years. Changing Messenger to 64-bit would break
any of those applications depending on how it was done.

Corporately, given Messenger is paid by advertising and a good chunk of those ads are flash
based, I don't think monetarily speaking, it would be worth it.

Sadly it seems more and more through the recent years that other companies push Microsoft
around, not the other way around. Not that Redmond is an angel, but they certainly could
benefit from influencing others a bit more. If you ask me, a lot of the Vista fiasco could
have been avoided if they had (drivers, vista capable stickers, etc.).

Okay I'm done now

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Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
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"KVK Consultancy" <KVK > wrote in message
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>> I don't think that's really likely at this point, for instance,
>> Messenger uses a lot of flash-based content inside of you (advertisements, winks, etc.)
>> and
>> there is no 64-bit Windows version of flash.
>
> Yes, I too noticed this. It is very, very, poor indeed. It makes Adobe/Flash
> seem very backwards (or possibly just lazy? greedy?).
>
> IMHO one would have had to have coded something pretty poorly in C++ to not
> be able to build a 64bit version of it (or have it written in a language
> which doesn't support 64bit). They should have at least had beta versions of
> Flash 64bit for months!
>
> Mind you, "I don't see why Microsoft is letting Adobe's lack of progress
> prevent them releasing a 64bit version of Messenger?". I feel Microsoft
> should use the oportunity to provide a business driver for Adobe to get their
> 64bit act together (by making messenger available in 64bit. Obviously with
> accompanying notices about whatever functionality will not be available in
> the 64bit version due to third parties). Then, people moving to 64 bit
> messenger will be a massive insentive for Adobe to get Flash to 64bit quickly
> (also, might shake up some competition if Adobe don't adapt).
>
> Come on, challenge for you MS .

Thanks Johnathan ,

That does shine a bit more light on things. I have seen corporate politics
and inter-team priorities hold back even the most obvious / sensible updates
(as considered by a developer). Particulalry if theirs potential funding toes
to be stepped on.

So far, personally, I've not found 32/64 bit COM stuff not too difficult.
Though, i'll admit I've have had the luxury of saying to customers: "Hey
guys, one or the other, not both!" lol which means I don't need to consider
communication between the two bit architectures (e.g. no bit order
conversion, marshalling or explicit thunking required). That and I'm still in
overall control of the architecture which is very rare.

I don't know what the market figures are atm, but for the companies I have
been working with / consulting there is a real demand / movement-towards 64
bit systems. This is mostly effecting the server environment (extra speed and
memory for SQL) but it is also begining to impact the desktop user
environment too (slowly, but a trend). The bigger companies i've worked with
even have 64 bit coroprate policies for hardward and software purchasing and
make it difficult to get funding for non-64 bit solutions. So there are
definitely drivers pushing business towards 64bit (and so they should).
Hopefully Marketing will be seeing these figures and start pushing
development to move with Messenger to cover such thing (yes, I really am
desperate to get my completley system 64 bit when I'm hoping the Marketing
department WILL interfere ROFL).

> various partners have plugged into over the years. Changing Messenger to 64-bit > would break any of those applications depending on how it was done.

On this one, i'm less sympathetic (lol), unless those partners are paying
heaps for Microsoft to not move on Messenger 64bit then I think they should
just be given a release date for MSN 64bit to force them to sort out their
products too.

> Sadly it seems more and more through the recent years that other companies push Microsoft
> around, not the other way around. Not that Redmond is an angel, but they certainly could
> benefit from influencing others a bit more. If you ask me, a lot of the Vista fiasco could
> have been avoided if they had (drivers, vista capable stickers, etc.).

That is a something I definitely agree on *applauds it having been said*.

I can see (sadly) that your going to be right on all those points, but at
least I (we) had a good vent ^_^.

> Okay I'm done now

lol yep, me too .