Access denied: Dragging and dropping URL icon into links folder

How can I get around this? Is there a place where I can disable some
parts of the security profile?

In Internet Explorer: Dragging and dropping the icon in the present
URL to the links bar is allowed. Dragging and dropping the icon to a
FOLDER on my links bar creates an access denied!##%%!!


I am sick of this type of security.


The stupid thing is I can drag and drop it to the links bar, cut it
and PASTE it into the folder. Thanks, Microsoft, for the added extra
steps in the name of security.


This type of nonsense makes a joke of security.
I don't want to turn off the User Account Control, I just want to
SHAPE it.



microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

>
> Dragging and dropping can be a problem when the source and
> destination have different elevation types.
>
> Out of interest what version of IE are you using?
>
> --
> Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
>
> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jan,

The operating system is Vista and the IE is IE7.

I am not sure what an elevation type is, but I would surmise that we
are talking about whether I have been working with the same user name
and as an administrator all along. I have except that I turned off
the UAC during installation of all my programs so that I would not
have any issues during installation. I turned it on after
installation of all my programs was complete.

Help me to understand how I could have different elevation types if I
have always been logged in under the same user name with the same
rights (as far as I can tell). What do I do to change the rights to
the same (hopefully the GOD level of rights) for everything I do.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT), eganders
<> wrote:

>>
>> Dragging and dropping can be a problem when the source and
>> destination have different elevation types.
>>
>> Out of interest what version of IE are you using?
>>
>> --
>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
>>
>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Jan,
>
>The operating system is Vista and the IE is IE7.
>
>I am not sure what an elevation type is, but I would surmise that we
>are talking about whether I have been working with the same user name
>and as an administrator all along. I have except that I turned off
>the UAC during installation of all my programs so that I would not
>have any issues during installation. I turned it on after
>installation of all my programs was complete.
>
>Help me to understand how I could have different elevation types if I
>have always been logged in under the same user name with the same
>rights (as far as I can tell). What do I do to change the rights to
>the same (hopefully the GOD level of rights) for everything I do.

Because the IDIOTS that wrote UAC didn't have a clue what they were
doing. That's why! UAC is a mess. Even Microsoft now acknowledges
that. It is a poorly designed and even worse implemented feel-good
smoke screen.

UAC really offers little real protection and only attempts to shift
blame to the user by popping up next to meaningless nag screens
reversing a decades old policy put in place by Microsoft to have
applications by design run under administrator. That's the dirty
little secret the fanboy and MVP crowd never want to discuss.

UAC is a sham and doesn't really protect you from anything. It does as
you've seen cause untold grief, anger and wasted afford. Perhaps worse
it instills a "cry wolf" mind set in users very quickly. When UAC nags
for nothing you quickly learn to ignore the warning, thus UAC is
self-defeating. I haven't met a user yet that started out to delete a
file or copy or move something or run some application he wanted to
run being persuaded not to by UAC. They simply click through and do
what they intended anyway.

The best way to tame UAC is turn the damn thing off. Do you think for
a second if it was critical it would even come with a off switch?

If you want to fiddle with UAC you need to assign users as owners of
your hard drives, folders and files. As you can figure out doing so is
basically the same as turning UAC off.

The whole issue is simply boiled down to a single point. Microsoft
after decades of screwing things up from a security standpoint have
raised the white flag and are finally admitting they can't and haven't
protected you. So UAC serves as warning and little more than that if
you do dangerous things, bad things can happen. Well duh, didn't you
know that already?

Instead of giving UAC some basic intelligence and the ability to learn
from past user behavior it remains dumb as a doorknob. Rest assured
UAC will be gone or totally rewritten in Windows 7. I doubt Microsoft
ever got back more negative feedback from a single misadventure that
the pile of crap called UAC and they will sooner or later either get
rid of it or radically change how it works.

On Sep 24, 11:22*am, Ringmaster <big...@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT), eganders
>
>
>
>
>
> <egand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dragging and dropping can be a problem when the source and
> >> destination have different elevation types.
>
> >> Out of interest what version of IE are you using?
>
> >> --
> >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
>
> >>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Jan,
>
> >The operating system is Vista and the IE is IE7.
>
> >I am not sure what an elevation type is, but I would surmise that we
> >are talking about whether I have been working with the same user name
> >and as an administrator all along. *I have except that I turned off
> >the UAC during installation of all my programs so that I would not
> >have any issues during installation. *I turned it on after
> >installation of all my programs was complete.
>
> >Help me to understand how I could have different elevation types if I
> >have always been logged in under the same user name with the same
> >rights (as far as I can tell). *What do I do to change the rights to
> >the same (hopefully the GOD level of rights) for everything I do.
>
> Because the IDIOTS that wrote UAC didn't have a clue what they were
> doing. That's why! UAC is a mess. Even Microsoft now acknowledges
> that. It is a poorly designed and even worse implemented feel-good
> smoke screen.
>
> UAC really offers little real protection and only attempts to shift
> blame to the user by popping up next to meaningless nag screens
> reversing a decades old policy put in place by Microsoft to have
> applications by design run under administrator. That's the dirty
> little secret the fanboy and MVP crowd never want to discuss.
>
> UAC is a sham and doesn't really protect you from anything. It does as
> you've seen cause untold grief, anger and wasted afford. Perhaps worse
> it instills a "cry wolf" mind set in users very quickly. When UAC nags
> for nothing you quickly learn to ignore the warning, thus UAC is
> self-defeating. I haven't met a user yet that started out to delete a
> file or copy or move something or run some application he wanted to
> run being persuaded not to by UAC. They simply click through and do
> what they intended anyway.
>
> The best way to tame UAC is turn the damn thing off. Do you think for
> a second if it was critical it would even come with a off switch?
>
> If you want to fiddle with UAC you need to assign users as owners of
> your hard drives, folders and files. As you can figure out doing so is
> basically the same as turning UAC off.
>
> The whole issue is simply boiled down to a single point. Microsoft
> after decades of screwing things up from a security standpoint have
> raised the white flag and are finally admitting they can't and haven't
> protected you. So UAC serves as warning and little more than that if
> you do dangerous things, bad things can happen. Well duh, didn't you
> know that already?
>
> Instead of giving UAC some basic intelligence and the ability to learn
> from past user behavior it remains dumb as a doorknob. Rest assured
> UAC will be gone or totally rewritten in Windows 7. I doubt Microsoft
> ever got back more negative feedback from a single misadventure that
> the pile of crap called UAC and they will sooner or later either get
> rid of it or radically change how it works.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ringmaster,

Believe me, I have a tendancy to agree with you. It seems like most
MVPs respond to my questions about these security issues WITH AN OTHER
QUESTION!! I asked the question about why I get an access denied when
dragging and dropping the URL into a folder on the links ribbon a
couple days ago and STILL have no answer. Very sad.

In another message in the Microsoft groups, I asked why the scheduler
would stop running a set of DOS commands I set up and require the re-
entry of the very same user and password to start the scheduler
working again and I STILL have no answer. This seems to happen every
few days. Can you imagine how important I would consider whatever the
security issue is here if my hard drive crashed and the scheduled
backup that those DOS commands represented had not run?? Do I have to
ride herd on the scheduler to make sure it ran?? Who needs a
scheduler where I have to set a reminder in Outlook to check if it is
working??? Who gives a damn about security where the security is
worse than the disease it is supposed to cure?

The bottom line for me is: When I get an access denied, how do I get
around it UNCONDITIONALLY. After all, this is MY machine, damn it. I
want to do what I want to do... Get the hell out of my hair.

On Sep 24, 2:02*pm, eganders <egand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 11:22*am, Ringmaster <big...@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT), eganders
>
> > <egand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Dragging and dropping can be a problem when the source and
> > >> destination have different elevation types.
>
> > >> Out of interest what version of IE are you using?
>
> > >> --
> > >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
>
> > >>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...yde-Hidequoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Jan,
>
> > >The operating system is Vista and the IE is IE7.
>
> > >I am not sure what an elevation type is, but I would surmise that we
> > >are talking about whether I have been working with the same user name
> > >and as an administrator all along. *I have except that I turned off
> > >the UAC during installation of all my programs so that I would not
> > >have any issues during installation. *I turned it on after
> > >installation of all my programs was complete.
>
> > >Help me to understand how I could have different elevation types if I
> > >have always been logged in under the same user name with the same
> > >rights (as far as I can tell). *What do I do to change the rights to
> > >the same (hopefully the GOD level of rights) for everything I do.
>
> > Because the IDIOTS that wrote UAC didn't have a clue what they were
> > doing. That's why! UAC is a mess. Even Microsoft now acknowledges
> > that. It is a poorly designed and even worse implemented feel-good
> > smoke screen.
>
> > UAC really offers little real protection and only attempts to shift
> > blame to the user by popping up next to meaningless nag screens
> > reversing a decades old policy put in place by Microsoft to have
> > applications by design run under administrator. That's the dirty
> > little secret the fanboy and MVP crowd never want to discuss.
>
> > UAC is a sham and doesn't really protect you from anything. It does as
> > you've seen cause untold grief, anger and wasted afford. Perhaps worse
> > it instills a "cry wolf" mind set in users very quickly. When UAC nags
> > for nothing you quickly learn to ignore the warning, thus UAC is
> > self-defeating. I haven't met a user yet that started out to delete a
> > file or copy or move something or run some application he wanted to
> > run being persuaded not to by UAC. They simply click through and do
> > what they intended anyway.
>
> > The best way to tame UAC is turn the damn thing off. Do you think for
> > a second if it was critical it would even come with a off switch?
>
> > If you want to fiddle with UAC you need to assign users as owners of
> > your hard drives, folders and files. As you can figure out doing so is
> > basically the same as turning UAC off.
>
> > The whole issue is simply boiled down to a single point. Microsoft
> > after decades of screwing things up from a security standpoint have
> > raised the white flag and are finally admitting they can't and haven't
> > protected you. So UAC serves as warning and little more than that if
> > you do dangerous things, bad things can happen. Well duh, didn't you
> > know that already?
>
> > Instead of giving UAC some basic intelligence and the ability to learn
> > from past user behavior it remains dumb as a doorknob. Rest assured
> > UAC will be gone or totally rewritten in Windows 7. I doubt Microsoft
> > ever got back more negative feedback from a single misadventure that
> > the pile of crap called UAC and they will sooner or later either get
> > rid of it or radically change how it works.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ringmaster,
>
> Believe me, I have a tendancy to agree with you. *It seems like most
> MVPs respond to my questions about these security issues WITH AN OTHER
> QUESTION!! *I asked the question about why I get an access denied when
> dragging and dropping the URL into a folder on the links ribbon a
> couple days ago and STILL have no answer. *Very sad.
>
> In another message in the Microsoft groups, I asked why the scheduler
> would stop running a set of DOS commands I set up and require the re-
> entry of the very same user and password to start the scheduler
> working again and I STILL have no answer. *This seems to happen every
> few days. *Can you imagine how important I would consider whatever the
> security issue is here if my hard drive crashed and the scheduled
> backup that those DOS commands represented had not run?? *Do I have to
> ride herd on the scheduler to make sure it ran?? *Who needs a
> scheduler where I have to set a reminder in Outlook to check if it is
> working??? *Who gives a damn about security where the security is
> worse than the disease it is supposed to cure?
>
> The bottom line for me is: *When I get an access denied, how do I get
> around it UNCONDITIONALLY. *After all, this is MY machine, damn it. *I
> want to do what I want to do... Get the hell out of my hair.- Hide quotedtext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, Microsoft called me last night and wanted to connect to my
machine to see what I was talking about and see how I get the access
denied. Wouldn't you know, it worked FINE. Not a hitch! If I was
just a little paranoid, I would think there is a gremlin in the
operating system just trying to try my patience.

I hope that one of these damn "glitches" occurs again and I am going
to disable the UAC. If that cures it, then the UAC can go to hell.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT), eganders
<> wrote:

>I hope that one of these damn "glitches" occurs again and I am going
>to disable the UAC. If that cures it, then the UAC can go to hell.

Save yourself the aggravation: shut off UAC and take ownership of the
entire C: drive. That will solve most of the problems related to MS's
childish, useless, and highly annoying Vista security scheme.

eganders wrote:
> On Sep 24, 2:02 pm, eganders <egand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 24, 11:22 am, Ringmaster <big...@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT), eganders
>>> <egand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dragging and dropping can be a problem when the source and
>>>>> destination have different elevation types.
>>>>> Out of interest what version of IE are you using?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
>>>>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...yde-Hidequoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> Jan,
>>>> The operating system is Vista and the IE is IE7.
>>>> I am not sure what an elevation type is, but I would surmise that we
>>>> are talking about whether I have been working with the same user name
>>>> and as an administrator all along. I have except that I turned off
>>>> the UAC during installation of all my programs so that I would not
>>>> have any issues during installation. I turned it on after
>>>> installation of all my programs was complete.
>>>> Help me to understand how I could have different elevation types if I
>>>> have always been logged in under the same user name with the same
>>>> rights (as far as I can tell). What do I do to change the rights to
>>>> the same (hopefully the GOD level of rights) for everything I do.
>>> Because the IDIOTS that wrote UAC didn't have a clue what they were
>>> doing. That's why! UAC is a mess. Even Microsoft now acknowledges
>>> that. It is a poorly designed and even worse implemented feel-good
>>> smoke screen.
>>> UAC really offers little real protection and only attempts to shift
>>> blame to the user by popping up next to meaningless nag screens
>>> reversing a decades old policy put in place by Microsoft to have
>>> applications by design run under administrator. That's the dirty
>>> little secret the fanboy and MVP crowd never want to discuss.
>>> UAC is a sham and doesn't really protect you from anything. It does as
>>> you've seen cause untold grief, anger and wasted afford. Perhaps worse
>>> it instills a "cry wolf" mind set in users very quickly. When UAC nags
>>> for nothing you quickly learn to ignore the warning, thus UAC is
>>> self-defeating. I haven't met a user yet that started out to delete a
>>> file or copy or move something or run some application he wanted to
>>> run being persuaded not to by UAC. They simply click through and do
>>> what they intended anyway.
>>> The best way to tame UAC is turn the damn thing off. Do you think for
>>> a second if it was critical it would even come with a off switch?
>>> If you want to fiddle with UAC you need to assign users as owners of
>>> your hard drives, folders and files. As you can figure out doing so is
>>> basically the same as turning UAC off.
>>> The whole issue is simply boiled down to a single point. Microsoft
>>> after decades of screwing things up from a security standpoint have
>>> raised the white flag and are finally admitting they can't and haven't
>>> protected you. So UAC serves as warning and little more than that if
>>> you do dangerous things, bad things can happen. Well duh, didn't you
>>> know that already?
>>> Instead of giving UAC some basic intelligence and the ability to learn
>>> from past user behavior it remains dumb as a doorknob. Rest assured
>>> UAC will be gone or totally rewritten in Windows 7. I doubt Microsoft
>>> ever got back more negative feedback from a single misadventure that
>>> the pile of crap called UAC and they will sooner or later either get
>>> rid of it or radically change how it works.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Ringmaster,
>>
>> Believe me, I have a tendancy to agree with you. It seems like most
>> MVPs respond to my questions about these security issues WITH AN OTHER
>> QUESTION!! I asked the question about why I get an access denied when
>> dragging and dropping the URL into a folder on the links ribbon a
>> couple days ago and STILL have no answer. Very sad.
>>
>> In another message in the Microsoft groups, I asked why the scheduler
>> would stop running a set of DOS commands I set up and require the re-
>> entry of the very same user and password to start the scheduler
>> working again and I STILL have no answer. This seems to happen every
>> few days. Can you imagine how important I would consider whatever the
>> security issue is here if my hard drive crashed and the scheduled
>> backup that those DOS commands represented had not run?? Do I have to
>> ride herd on the scheduler to make sure it ran?? Who needs a
>> scheduler where I have to set a reminder in Outlook to check if it is
>> working??? Who gives a damn about security where the security is
>> worse than the disease it is supposed to cure?
>>
>> The bottom line for me is: When I get an access denied, how do I get
>> around it UNCONDITIONALLY. After all, this is MY machine, damn it. I
>> want to do what I want to do... Get the hell out of my hair.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, Microsoft called me last night and wanted to connect to my
> machine to see what I was talking about and see how I get the access
> denied. Wouldn't you know, it worked FINE. Not a hitch! If I was
> just a little paranoid, I would think there is a gremlin in the
> operating system just trying to try my patience.
>
> I hope that one of these damn "glitches" occurs again and I am going
> to disable the UAC. If that cures it, then the UAC can go to hell.

It's really sad when people don't try to understand anything or even
take the time to understand it.

If you listen to the two negative influences in the thread that even
have problems taking a pi$$ in real life I suspect, you wouldn't even
get out of your bed. :-p

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:09:28 -0400, Paul Montgumdrop
<> wrote:

>> I hope that one of these damn "glitches" occurs again and I am going
>> to disable the UAC. If that cures it, then the UAC can go to hell.
>
>It's really sad when people don't try to understand anything or even
>take the time to understand it.

It's even sadder when MS butt kissers try to find excuses to validate
up some of the worst software changes in history,

"+Bob+" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:09:28 -0400, Paul Montgumdrop
> <> wrote:
>
>>> I hope that one of these damn "glitches" occurs again and I am going
>>> to disable the UAC. If that cures it, then the UAC can go to hell.
>>
>>It's really sad when people don't try to understand anything or even
>>take the time to understand it.
>
> It's even sadder when MS butt kissers try to find excuses to validate
> up some of the worst software changes in history,
>
>


No, you twit.
Linux ...you know ...the secure/OS non-violate has the same f-ing thing.
You need a password/ UAC type interaction to accomplish certain functions.
And if people just click yes all the time, linux has the same
thing...remember password.

You got a better idea ?
No ?

Of course not.

--
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis

+Bob+ wrote:

<snipped>

Did I ring your bell? I don't recall ringing your bell to summons you
for anything. Now go on back to your room, Lurch.