Acronis Question

I've using Acronis and an external hard drive to do full image backups.
Every couple of weeks I just do another full image - I don't "add" to it and
do incremental backups... I have Norton 360 and Windows backup my files.
What is werid is when I delete my Norton 360 or Windows backed up files it's
takes quite some time to delete them (about 5GB's of stuff) but when I delete
my Acronis full image (about 17GB's of stuff) it takes only seconds. It
says, "Do you want to move this to the recycling bin" I say "yes" and then
"poof" it's gone. No processing time, etc. How is that possible??? How can
it delete a full image backup at 17GB faster than it deletes my files at
5GB??? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong and it's not really
deleting it ya know... anybody have an answer as to why this is...

Thanks,
Sandy
"God is my backup"

"The Sand" <> wrote in message
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> I've using Acronis and an external hard drive to do full image backups.
> Every couple of weeks I just do another full image - I don't "add" to it
> and
> do incremental backups... I have Norton 360 and Windows backup my files.
> What is werid is when I delete my Norton 360 or Windows backed up files
> it's
> takes quite some time to delete them (about 5GB's of stuff) but when I
> delete
> my Acronis full image (about 17GB's of stuff) it takes only seconds. It
> says, "Do you want to move this to the recycling bin" I say "yes" and
> then
> "poof" it's gone. No processing time, etc. How is that possible??? How
> can
> it delete a full image backup at 17GB faster than it deletes my files at
> 5GB??? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong and it's not really
> deleting it ya know... anybody have an answer as to why this is...
>
> Thanks,
> Sandy
> "God is my backup"

When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB content is not deleted.
Only its entry in the directory structure is modified to indicate that
file's space is now available. Are your Norton 360 and Windows backup files
'single files' or a bunch of little files, each of whose directory entries
have to be modified? Or perhaps they are incremental backups which has to
be rearranged to get rid of the deleted parts?

-Paul Randall

Paul wrote: When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB conten
is not deleted
Only its entry in the directory structure is modified to indicate tha
file's space is now available. Are your Norton 360 and Windows backu
file
'single files' or a bunch of little files, each of whose director
entrie
have to be modified? Or perhaps they are incremental backups which ha
t
be rearranged to get rid of the deleted parts

Hi Paul, Thanks for responding! I took this question over to th
Acronis forum and someone suggested the same... that my Norton an
Windows backup files are "single" files so it takes longer than one bi
file (like my Acronis image) to go to the recycling bin. I don't do AN
incremental back ups for any program. I always start over and do entir
"new" ones (why... I don't know... that's just how I roll.)

You said, "When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB conten
is not deleted. Only its entry in the directory structure is modifie
to indicate that file's space is now available." I'm not sure
understand... in the end I want to make sure that every time I do
"new" full image from Acronis the "old" one that I deleted is indee
"gone." I don't want "data" hanging around somewhere I don't kno
about. Do I need to do some kind of "clean" after I delete somethin
that large??? I have CCleaner and Norton 360. I just don't want t
miss something... keep deleting large amounts of stuff and get a futur
problem some time down the line..

Any feedback would be appreciated..

Sand

--
The San

God is my "back up."

The Sand wrote:
> Paul wrote: When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB content
> is not deleted.
> Only its entry in the directory structure is modified to indicate that
> file's space is now available. Are your Norton 360 and Windows backup
> files
> 'single files' or a bunch of little files, each of whose directory
> entries
> have to be modified? Or perhaps they are incremental backups which has
> to
> be rearranged to get rid of the deleted parts?
>
> Hi Paul, Thanks for responding! I took this question over to the
> Acronis forum and someone suggested the same... that my Norton and
> Windows backup files are "single" files so it takes longer than one big
> file (like my Acronis image) to go to the recycling bin. I don't do ANY
> incremental back ups for any program. I always start over and do entire
> "new" ones (why... I don't know... that's just how I roll.)
>
> You said, "When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB content
> is not deleted. Only its entry in the directory structure is modified
> to indicate that file's space is now available." I'm not sure I
> understand... in the end I want to make sure that every time I do a
> "new" full image from Acronis the "old" one that I deleted is indeed
> "gone." I don't want "data" hanging around somewhere I don't know
> about. Do I need to do some kind of "clean" after I delete something
> that large??? I have CCleaner and Norton 360. I just don't want to
> miss something... keep deleting large amounts of stuff and get a future
> problem some time down the line...
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated...
>
> Sandy
>
>
Long ago and far away, there was a program called Disk Wipe. I believe
it was made by Norton. It would overwrite the "deleted" space with all
zeros, then with ones or some other character. There was a so-called
government wipe which repeated this sequence seven times. That sounds
a little paranoid, doesn't it?

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

The large print giveth and the small
print taketh away.

"Gerald Ross" <> wrote in message
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> Long ago and far away, there was a program called Disk Wipe. I believe it
> was made by Norton. It would overwrite the "deleted" space with all zeros,
> then with ones or some other character. There was a so-called government
> wipe which repeated this sequence seven times. That sounds a little
> paranoid, doesn't it?

And now you can get a prog called Eraser for free that will wipe individual
files, all selected files, and free space if you choose. Anyway, you have
now confused him with your explanation of what the delete button actually
does. As far as windows is concerned and for his purpose the file is gone
and can only be retrieved with an undelete utility, and probably not even
with that if it has been overwritten by another file that wrote to the same
sector. Acronis won't see the deleted file so don't worry about wiping it.
Wiping is good though if you have some sensitive data in the image file that
you don't want anyone to be able to ever retrieve. Wiping is good too if you
suspect a file of containing a virus.

If you don't want data hanging around, then you need to run a file "wiping"
program on the file before you delete it. Someone else suggested eraser,
which may work just fine. I don't feel I need to use such a program, but
your data may be more sensitive than mine. It is not likely that your data
would come back to haunt you unless someone steals your hard drive or
someone runs an undelete program.

-Paul Randall

"The Sand" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Paul wrote: When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB content
> is not deleted.
> Only its entry in the directory structure is modified to indicate that
> file's space is now available. Are your Norton 360 and Windows backup
> files
> 'single files' or a bunch of little files, each of whose directory
> entries
> have to be modified? Or perhaps they are incremental backups which has
> to
> be rearranged to get rid of the deleted parts?
>
> Hi Paul, Thanks for responding! I took this question over to the
> Acronis forum and someone suggested the same... that my Norton and
> Windows backup files are "single" files so it takes longer than one big
> file (like my Acronis image) to go to the recycling bin. I don't do ANY
> incremental back ups for any program. I always start over and do entire
> "new" ones (why... I don't know... that's just how I roll.)
>
> You said, "When you "delete" the Acronis file, the file's 17GB content
> is not deleted. Only its entry in the directory structure is modified
> to indicate that file's space is now available." I'm not sure I
> understand... in the end I want to make sure that every time I do a
> "new" full image from Acronis the "old" one that I deleted is indeed
> "gone." I don't want "data" hanging around somewhere I don't know
> about. Do I need to do some kind of "clean" after I delete something
> that large??? I have CCleaner and Norton 360. I just don't want to
> miss something... keep deleting large amounts of stuff and get a future
> problem some time down the line...
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated...
>
> Sandy
>
>
> --
> The Sand
>
> God is my "back up."

Thanks everybody for your input here...

The reason I want the data "gone" is not because it's senstivie in any
way (just my pictures and music, etc.) It is because I don't want my
computer "bogged" down... if I stay with the program I'm using now for
backing up (which is doing a new full Acronis image every couple of
weeks and deleting the previous full image) I don't want "traces" of
anything left around because eventually wouldn't that create a
performance problem??? Just a thought... I don't know that it would -
but when I delete the image (again... it's 17GB) and it goes "poof, be
gone" in literally SECONDS... it makes me wonder if it is really
processing the full "delete" of that image.... and this happens on both
my XP and my Vista - so it's not "faster" on one operating system vs.
the other...

One of the many times I start wondering what my computer is "really"
doing...

Dose anybody else use Acronis and wonder about this....

Sandy


--
The Sand

God is my "back up."

As I understand it, when you delete a file, any file, in Windows the file is
not actually erased from your hard drive. Instead the entry for the space
that file occupies is marked as unoccupied in the file table. In my
experience, this does not create any "performance Problem."

--
Leo

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability
to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable
for their apparent disinclination to do so.




"The Sand" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Thanks everybody for your input here...
>
> The reason I want the data "gone" is not because it's senstivie in any
> way (just my pictures and music, etc.) It is because I don't want my
> computer "bogged" down... if I stay with the program I'm using now for
> backing up (which is doing a new full Acronis image every couple of
> weeks and deleting the previous full image) I don't want "traces" of
> anything left around because eventually wouldn't that create a
> performance problem??? Just a thought... I don't know that it would -
> but when I delete the image (again... it's 17GB) and it goes "poof, be
> gone" in literally SECONDS... it makes me wonder if it is really
> processing the full "delete" of that image.... and this happens on both
> my XP and my Vista - so it's not "faster" on one operating system vs.
> the other...
>
> One of the many times I start wondering what my computer is "really"
> doing...
>
> Dose anybody else use Acronis and wonder about this....
>
> Sandy
>
>
> --
> The Sand
>
> God is my "back up."

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:23:15 -0500, "Leo" <>
wrote:

> As I understand it, when you delete a file, any file, in Windows the file is
> not actually erased from your hard drive. Instead the entry for the space
> that file occupies is marked as unoccupied in the file table. In my
> experience, this does not create any "performance Problem."



Correct on both counts.




> "The Sand" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > Thanks everybody for your input here...
> >
> > The reason I want the data "gone" is not because it's senstivie in any
> > way (just my pictures and music, etc.) It is because I don't want my
> > computer "bogged" down... if I stay with the program I'm using now for
> > backing up (which is doing a new full Acronis image every couple of
> > weeks and deleting the previous full image) I don't want "traces" of
> > anything left around because eventually wouldn't that create a
> > performance problem??? Just a thought... I don't know that it would -
> > but when I delete the image (again... it's 17GB) and it goes "poof, be
> > gone" in literally SECONDS... it makes me wonder if it is really
> > processing the full "delete" of that image.... and this happens on both
> > my XP and my Vista - so it's not "faster" on one operating system vs.
> > the other...
> >
> > One of the many times I start wondering what my computer is "really"
> > doing...
> >
> > Dose anybody else use Acronis and wonder about this....
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Sand
> >
> > God is my "back up."

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Thanks Leo and Ken... I guess the phrase "Nothing is ever truly deleted
on your computer" is accurate! If there is no future performance
problem from deleting that much info then I don't care if it's really
"gone" or not...

Thanks for taking the time to answer this issue for me...

Sandy


--
The Sand

God is my "back up."