Activesync 4.1 Turns On By Itself WM5

Hi,

I have the HP iPAQ rx5910 running WM5 ver 5.1.195. Active sync 4.1 runs
perfectly between it and my XP desktop.

But when I stop activesync on my iPAQ and then turn off the device, an
hour or so later, when I turn it on again, Activesync is now a Running
Program.

What gives...is this supposed to run all of the time regardless of
stopping it?? I'd like to be able to shut down all running programs
when I don't need them but this one keeps turning itself back on...

Is this normal behavior in anyone else's experience??

Sorry for the cross-post but I wanted to ask a wider audience.

Thanks,

Bill

Bill <> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have the HP iPAQ rx5910 running WM5 ver 5.1.195. Active sync 4.1 runs
>perfectly between it and my XP desktop.
>
>But when I stop activesync on my iPAQ and then turn off the device, an
>hour or so later, when I turn it on again, Activesync is now a Running
>Program.
>
>What gives...is this supposed to run all of the time regardless of
>stopping it?? I'd like to be able to shut down all running programs
>when I don't need them but this one keeps turning itself back on...
>
>Is this normal behavior in anyone else's experience??
>
>Sorry for the cross-post but I wanted to ask a wider audience.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill

Yeah. ActiveSync is more of a service than an actual app, so it
pretty much runs all of the time. It doesn't just activate to
sync data. It does some of its own housecleaning so it is ready
to sync. Just leave it alone. It takes up very little memory.


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I know how Ed feels about activesync, but my feelings are even stronger.

Activesync turns out to be the hardest process to kill until needed I
have ever encountered and that includes most of the virus/spyware
removal cases I have been involved in.

In addition to it's pigheaded insistence on reloading itself when
removed from the registry startup, with 4.x, it got worse by insisting
on starting network processes _and_ complicated that by becoming
involved with the ppc usb charging process.

Finally, windows media player got involved in the process where, when I
was successful in getting the process stopped, if wmp was launched for
any reason, _wmp_ would restart activesync... as a programmer, one of
the worst examples of programmer arrogance I have ever encountered.

>> It takes up very little memory. <<

But it is also active enough it can hog most of your computers other
resources... when my aged system suddenly slows to a crawl, the first
thing I look for is wcescomm, and, 99% of the time it's the reason for
the slowdown.

It is possible to drive a stake through activesync's heart between syncs
and wmp sessions, but, doing so is still a pita. See
<http://bevhoward.com/ASync.htm#WCESCOMM>

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

megatec45 wrote:
> On Oct 12, 4:32 pm, Bill <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the HP iPAQ rx5910 running WM5 ver 5.1.195. Active sync 4.1 runs
>> perfectly between it and my XP desktop.
>>
>> But when I stop activesync on my iPAQ and then turn off the device, an
>> hour or so later, when I turn it on again, Activesync is now a Running
>> Program.
>>
>> What gives...is this supposed to run all of the time regardless of
>> stopping it?? I'd like to be able to shut down all running programs
>> when I don't need them but this one keeps turning itself back on...
>>
>> Is this normal behavior in anyone else's experience??
>>
>> Sorry for the cross-post but I wanted to ask a wider audience.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>
> Go to your phone settings page, open the Time Zones Tab. If the box
> for Automatic change time Zone and Clock is checked, un check it. Your
> Active Sync will only come on when you do a phone/pc Sync
Thanks for the tip..

Unfortunately the rx5910 isn't a phone so there's no Time Zones tab.
But I did try to look in the Regional Settings to find a time zone
option and couldn't see anything of that sort.

Would you know if there's another way to get to this option under WM5.1?

--Bill

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 13 Oct 2008 10:29:48 -0500 Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
>
>> >> It takes up very little memory. <<
>>
>> But it is also active enough it can hog most of your computers other
>> resources...
>
> To be fair, Ed was referring to the Activesync process on the WinMo device,
> not the PC. The device's version of Activesync is very unobtrusive
> comparatively.
>
>
>
>
Thanks to all of you for the assistance,

Todd's correct...I have no issue with ActiveSync on my PC...it just
seems to sit there in my toolbar in gray, waiting until I connect the
iPaq. But unless the tip from the user below pans out about the Time
Zones, I'll just bite the bullet and live with it always active on the
iPaq device.

Regards,
Bill

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:13:09 -0400, Bill <> wrote:

>Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 13 Oct 2008 10:29:48 -0500 Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
>>
>>> >> It takes up very little memory. <<
>>>
>>> But it is also active enough it can hog most of your computers other
>>> resources...
>>
>> To be fair, Ed was referring to the Activesync process on the WinMo device,
>> not the PC. The device's version of Activesync is very unobtrusive
>> comparatively.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Thanks to all of you for the assistance,
>
>Todd's correct...I have no issue with ActiveSync on my PC...it just
>seems to sit there in my toolbar in gray, waiting until I connect the
>iPaq. But unless the tip from the user below pans out about the Time
>Zones, I'll just bite the bullet and live with it always active on the
>iPaq device.

I don't know any stand-alone program to stop ActiveSync. But I do know
how a program can stop it:
HWND hWnd = ::FindWindow( L"ActiveSync", NULL );
if (hWnd)
::SendMessage( hWnd, WM_CLOSE, 0, 0 );
I feel guilty/silly saying I don't have time to create such a utility.
But maybe someone else will find time or a cooperative programmer.

I think this simple program would solve only part of the problem:
letting a human shut down ActiveSync when that human sees it is
started. One possible way to automate would be a program that wakes up
everyone so often to shut down ActiveSync. This would be only slightly
more complicated to write. It would use very few CPU cycles, but the
memory might be significant. Would it use fewer resources than
ActiveSync?


>Regards,
>Bill

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Hi,
You can use Killsync from www.pocketpcfaq.com/applications to stop
ActiveSync. You can schedule it to run whenever you want as well.


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<r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:13:09 -0400, Bill <> wrote:
>
>>Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> At 13 Oct 2008 10:29:48 -0500 Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> It takes up very little memory. <<
>>>>
>>>> But it is also active enough it can hog most of your computers other
>>>> resources...
>>>
>>> To be fair, Ed was referring to the Activesync process on the WinMo
>>> device,
>>> not the PC. The device's version of Activesync is very unobtrusive
>>> comparatively.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Thanks to all of you for the assistance,
>>
>>Todd's correct...I have no issue with ActiveSync on my PC...it just
>>seems to sit there in my toolbar in gray, waiting until I connect the
>>iPaq. But unless the tip from the user below pans out about the Time
>>Zones, I'll just bite the bullet and live with it always active on the
>>iPaq device.
>
> I don't know any stand-alone program to stop ActiveSync. But I do know
> how a program can stop it:
> HWND hWnd = ::FindWindow( L"ActiveSync", NULL );
> if (hWnd)
> ::SendMessage( hWnd, WM_CLOSE, 0, 0 );
> I feel guilty/silly saying I don't have time to create such a utility.
> But maybe someone else will find time or a cooperative programmer.
>
> I think this simple program would solve only part of the problem:
> letting a human shut down ActiveSync when that human sees it is
> started. One possible way to automate would be a program that wakes up
> everyone so often to shut down ActiveSync. This would be only slightly
> more complicated to write. It would use very few CPU cycles, but the
> memory might be significant. Would it use fewer resources than
> ActiveSync?
>
>
>>Regards,
>>Bill
>
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> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 20 Park Plaza, Suite 400
> Boston, MA 02116
> www.penfact.com

Chris De Herrera wrote:
> Hi,
> You can use Killsync from www.pocketpcfaq.com/applications to stop
> ActiveSync. You can schedule it to run whenever you want as well.
>
>
Chris,


Thanks for the tip. I want to stop it from coming on by itself on my
iPAQ WM5 device but according to an earlier post, it doesn't take much
memory on the device when it's running so what the hell...I'll let it run!

--Bill

Bill wrote:
> megatec45 wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 4:32 pm, Bill <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have the HP iPAQ rx5910 running WM5 ver 5.1.195. Active sync 4.1 runs
>>> perfectly between it and my XP desktop.
>>>
>>> But when I stop activesync on my iPAQ and then turn off the device, an
>>> hour or so later, when I turn it on again, Activesync is now a Running
>>> Program.
>>>
>>> What gives...is this supposed to run all of the time regardless of
>>> stopping it?? I'd like to be able to shut down all running programs
>>> when I don't need them but this one keeps turning itself back on...
>>>
>>> Is this normal behavior in anyone else's experience??
>>>
>>> Sorry for the cross-post but I wanted to ask a wider audience.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Go to your phone settings page, open the Time Zones Tab. If the box
>> for Automatic change time Zone and Clock is checked, un check it. Your
>> Active Sync will only come on when you do a phone/pc Sync
> Thanks for the tip..
>
> Unfortunately the rx5910 isn't a phone so there's no Time Zones tab. But
> I did try to look in the Regional Settings to find a time zone option
> and couldn't see anything of that sort.
>
> Would you know if there's another way to get to this option under WM5.1?
>
> --Bill

I don't know what I'm talking about, but here goes anyway.
My "understanding" is that AS on your mobile device wakes up periodically,
checks to see if there's anything to do, then goes back to sleep.
My problem was that AS was waking up at midnight, doing nothing,
but another program running in the background refused to let the
machine go back to sleep.
If I shut it down with the media player running, the wakeup
just ran the media player forever...or till the battery ran down.

The solution for me was to stop AS from trying to find a server.
Search aximsite.com for "fake server hack". Have no idea if this
is the same problem that happens on an HP.
mike

Hi,
Windows Mobile wakes up at midnight to roll the clock forward and update the
display of the calendar items and notifications in the Today screen.


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"spamme0" <> wrote in message
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> Bill wrote:
>> megatec45 wrote:
>>> On Oct 12, 4:32 pm, Bill <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have the HP iPAQ rx5910 running WM5 ver 5.1.195. Active sync 4.1
>>>> runs
>>>> perfectly between it and my XP desktop.
>>>>
>>>> But when I stop activesync on my iPAQ and then turn off the device, an
>>>> hour or so later, when I turn it on again, Activesync is now a Running
>>>> Program.
>>>>
>>>> What gives...is this supposed to run all of the time regardless of
>>>> stopping it?? I'd like to be able to shut down all running programs
>>>> when I don't need them but this one keeps turning itself back on...
>>>>
>>>> Is this normal behavior in anyone else's experience??
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the cross-post but I wanted to ask a wider audience.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Go to your phone settings page, open the Time Zones Tab. If the box
>>> for Automatic change time Zone and Clock is checked, un check it. Your
>>> Active Sync will only come on when you do a phone/pc Sync
>> Thanks for the tip..
>>
>> Unfortunately the rx5910 isn't a phone so there's no Time Zones tab. But
>> I did try to look in the Regional Settings to find a time zone option and
>> couldn't see anything of that sort.
>>
>> Would you know if there's another way to get to this option under WM5.1?
>>
>> --Bill
>
> I don't know what I'm talking about, but here goes anyway.
> My "understanding" is that AS on your mobile device wakes up periodically,
> checks to see if there's anything to do, then goes back to sleep.
> My problem was that AS was waking up at midnight, doing nothing,
> but another program running in the background refused to let the
> machine go back to sleep.
> If I shut it down with the media player running, the wakeup
> just ran the media player forever...or till the battery ran down.
>
> The solution for me was to stop AS from trying to find a server.
> Search aximsite.com for "fake server hack". Have no idea if this
> is the same problem that happens on an HP.
> mike