Activesync replacement?

I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an option,
but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd like
to explore an alternative to this buggy software.

Any suggestions?

I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.

I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001 and
that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange server
installed. Something has to sto the headaches.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you use, they
will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.

It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is configured
for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.

Paul T.

"sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
> option,
> but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd
> like
> to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
> Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
>
> I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001
> and
> that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange server
> installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.

but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook 2007, and
the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read mail.

this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.

Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives to use to
sync with WM devices?

"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:

> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you use, they
> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
>
> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is configured
> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
>
> Paul T.
>
> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
> > option,
> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd
> > like
> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
> >
> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001
> > and
> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange server
> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
>
>

I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have an
opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose? It's for
a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model often
still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe there,
it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your network, but
it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is what
it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings* are
wrong.

OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write some
software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an operating
system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word processor not
require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish your
word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
*EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a big
job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of doing
it prevents it from being done a different way by every software vendor out
there...

Paul T.

"sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
> but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook 2007, and
> the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read mail.
>
> this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
>
> Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives to use
> to
> sync with WM devices?
>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>
>> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you use,
>> they
>> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
>>
>> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
>> configured
>> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
>> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
>> > option,
>> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd
>> > like
>> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
>> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
>> >
>> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001
>> > and
>> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange
>> > server
>> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
>>
>>
>>

Okay, fair enough, I'm not even going to address the monopoly issue, because
it's not relevant here.

So, if my settings are wrong, and I've changed NOTHING in my setup for
Outlook OR Treo what and where do I look.

Trust me, i do appreciate the help.

And, no, i don't think making the ONLY software that works with the OS is
anything less than a monopoly. that's akin, using your metaphor, to saying,
you can have any car you want, so long as you ONLY use our engine to run it.
So, sure, any car in the world, just have to agree to use our engine and if
you want overdrive or a 5 speed, sorry, you can use what we give you. We'll
make sure nothing else is compatible with it, we can let other manufacturers
make different parts for the engine that fit over the engine block, just not
another engine.

But, again, neither here nor there, just would like to get this solved and
move on with not having to spend so much time trying to diagnose what
shouldn't be an issue out of the clear blue.
"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:

> I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
> ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have an
> opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose? It's for
> a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model often
> still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe there,
> it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
> Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your network, but
> it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is what
> it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings* are
> wrong.
>
> OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write some
> software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an operating
> system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
> keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word processor not
> require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish your
> word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
> synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
> *EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
> customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a big
> job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of doing
> it prevents it from being done a different way by every software vendor out
> there...
>
> Paul T.
>
> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
> > but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook 2007, and
> > the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read mail.
> >
> > this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
> >
> > Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives to use
> > to
> > sync with WM devices?
> >
> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you use,
> >> they
> >> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
> >>
> >> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
> >> configured
> >> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
> >>
> >> Paul T.
> >>
> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> >> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
> >> > option,
> >> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd
> >> > like
> >> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
> >> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
> >> >
> >> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001
> >> > and
> >> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange
> >> > server
> >> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Look through the AS settings on the device, first. In the ActiveSync
application on the device, choose Menu | Options. Make sure that you agree
with the items shown in the list (the PCs that are shown there).

Next, choose Menu | Add Server Source. Make sure that the server name is
empty, completely, and accept the settings.

Next, choose Menu | Connections. Verify that the settings make sense (USB,
etc.) Verify that the problem still occurs when you connect to the PC.

If that looks fine, but still generates the error when you connect to the PC
with the USB cable, then, on the PC, with the device no longer connected,
delete the partnership. On the device, while disconnected, do the same (via
Menu | Options). If the error occurs again when you connect this 'new'
device to the PC the next time, I think you'll have to do a hard reset of
the Windows Mobile device.

No one is claiming that AS is good, but it is a base technology that is much
easier to use as a base than to try to work out syncing yourself. If 100%
of the people using Windows Mobile would rather pay for a good syncing
program that forget about Windows Mobile and use Palm or something else,
then someone would have done it by now, but that's just not the case. The
engine metaphor is a good one. If you don't like the engine in your Honda,
maybe 0.01% of the people go out and buy a new one and are willing to pay
enough to keep the aftermarket engine guys in business, but you can't buy an
aftermarket engine for the $5 you'd be willing to pay for an AS replacement.
You can buy lots of add-ons for your Honda, exhaust, intake, even turbos and
superchargers, but no one wants to build engine blocks and sell them for
$50, even if the block is the weak link.

Paul T.


"sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
news:7EE3C03D-0A28-452C-A207-...
> Okay, fair enough, I'm not even going to address the monopoly issue,
> because
> it's not relevant here.
>
> So, if my settings are wrong, and I've changed NOTHING in my setup for
> Outlook OR Treo what and where do I look.
>
> Trust me, i do appreciate the help.
>
> And, no, i don't think making the ONLY software that works with the OS is
> anything less than a monopoly. that's akin, using your metaphor, to
> saying,
> you can have any car you want, so long as you ONLY use our engine to run
> it.
> So, sure, any car in the world, just have to agree to use our engine and
> if
> you want overdrive or a 5 speed, sorry, you can use what we give you.
> We'll
> make sure nothing else is compatible with it, we can let other
> manufacturers
> make different parts for the engine that fit over the engine block, just
> not
> another engine.
>
> But, again, neither here nor there, just would like to get this solved and
> move on with not having to spend so much time trying to diagnose what
> shouldn't be an issue out of the clear blue.
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>
>> I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
>> ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have an
>> opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose? It's
>> for
>> a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model often
>> still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe
>> there,
>> it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
>> Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your network,
>> but
>> it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is
>> what
>> it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings* are
>> wrong.
>>
>> OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write some
>> software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an operating
>> system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
>> keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word processor
>> not
>> require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish your
>> word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
>> synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
>> *EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
>> customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a
>> big
>> job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of
>> doing
>> it prevents it from being done a different way by every software vendor
>> out
>> there...
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
>> > but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook 2007,
>> > and
>> > the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read
>> > mail.
>> >
>> > this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
>> >
>> > Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives to
>> > use
>> > to
>> > sync with WM devices?
>> >
>> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you
>> >> use,
>> >> they
>> >> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
>> >>
>> >> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
>> >> configured
>> >> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
>> >>
>> >> Paul T.
>> >>
>> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
>> >> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
>> >> > option,
>> >> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that
>> >> > I'd
>> >> > like
>> >> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
>> >> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code
>> >> > 85010001
>> >> > and
>> >> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange
>> >> > server
>> >> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Man, let me tell you, I'd be willing to pay a LOT more than $5 to replace AS.
Between the lost time, effort, energy, and productivity, I think I've spent
a lot more than $5 diagnosing what shouldn't happen between two pieces of
software that were written by the same company to work WITH each other.

It's (again using your car analogy) like saying, We have a car, you want
wheels with that car, sure, just make sure that they fit, oh, they do fit,
well, okay, are they red? No, well, they don't fit then do they?

If this isn't a bug where I've altered absolutely nothing and this behavior
starts showing up 3 days ago and is persistent and there is NO (and I mean
NO, I've searched everywhere for answers) information about fixing it, then
what the heck? Why produce a product that you force people to use and then
give them something that only sometimes works?

WHY WHY?

*sigh*

"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:

> Look through the AS settings on the device, first. In the ActiveSync
> application on the device, choose Menu | Options. Make sure that you agree
> with the items shown in the list (the PCs that are shown there).
>
> Next, choose Menu | Add Server Source. Make sure that the server name is
> empty, completely, and accept the settings.
>
> Next, choose Menu | Connections. Verify that the settings make sense (USB,
> etc.) Verify that the problem still occurs when you connect to the PC.
>
> If that looks fine, but still generates the error when you connect to the PC
> with the USB cable, then, on the PC, with the device no longer connected,
> delete the partnership. On the device, while disconnected, do the same (via
> Menu | Options). If the error occurs again when you connect this 'new'
> device to the PC the next time, I think you'll have to do a hard reset of
> the Windows Mobile device.
>
> No one is claiming that AS is good, but it is a base technology that is much
> easier to use as a base than to try to work out syncing yourself. If 100%
> of the people using Windows Mobile would rather pay for a good syncing
> program that forget about Windows Mobile and use Palm or something else,
> then someone would have done it by now, but that's just not the case. The
> engine metaphor is a good one. If you don't like the engine in your Honda,
> maybe 0.01% of the people go out and buy a new one and are willing to pay
> enough to keep the aftermarket engine guys in business, but you can't buy an
> aftermarket engine for the $5 you'd be willing to pay for an AS replacement.
> You can buy lots of add-ons for your Honda, exhaust, intake, even turbos and
> superchargers, but no one wants to build engine blocks and sell them for
> $50, even if the block is the weak link.
>
> Paul T.
>
>
> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> news:7EE3C03D-0A28-452C-A207-...
> > Okay, fair enough, I'm not even going to address the monopoly issue,
> > because
> > it's not relevant here.
> >
> > So, if my settings are wrong, and I've changed NOTHING in my setup for
> > Outlook OR Treo what and where do I look.
> >
> > Trust me, i do appreciate the help.
> >
> > And, no, i don't think making the ONLY software that works with the OS is
> > anything less than a monopoly. that's akin, using your metaphor, to
> > saying,
> > you can have any car you want, so long as you ONLY use our engine to run
> > it.
> > So, sure, any car in the world, just have to agree to use our engine and
> > if
> > you want overdrive or a 5 speed, sorry, you can use what we give you.
> > We'll
> > make sure nothing else is compatible with it, we can let other
> > manufacturers
> > make different parts for the engine that fit over the engine block, just
> > not
> > another engine.
> >
> > But, again, neither here nor there, just would like to get this solved and
> > move on with not having to spend so much time trying to diagnose what
> > shouldn't be an issue out of the clear blue.
> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
> >> ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have an
> >> opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose? It's
> >> for
> >> a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model often
> >> still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe
> >> there,
> >> it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
> >> Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your network,
> >> but
> >> it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is
> >> what
> >> it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings* are
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write some
> >> software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an operating
> >> system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
> >> keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word processor
> >> not
> >> require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish your
> >> word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
> >> synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
> >> *EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
> >> customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a
> >> big
> >> job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of
> >> doing
> >> it prevents it from being done a different way by every software vendor
> >> out
> >> there...
> >>
> >> Paul T.
> >>
> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
> >> > but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook 2007,
> >> > and
> >> > the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read
> >> > mail.
> >> >
> >> > this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
> >> >
> >> > Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives to
> >> > use
> >> > to
> >> > sync with WM devices?
> >> >
> >> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you
> >> >> use,
> >> >> they
> >> >> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
> >> >>
> >> >> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
> >> >> configured
> >> >> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul T.
> >> >>
> >> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> >> >> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
> >> >> > option,
> >> >> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that
> >> >> > I'd
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
> >> >> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code
> >> >> > 85010001
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange
> >> >> > server
> >> >> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

You're just in the minority. Nothing wrong with being willing, but it takes
more than one to make a market. Most people, when they get stuck like you
are, give up on syncing and just manually 'sync' items to the phone, or
forget Windows Mobile entirely and return the phone to the dealer.

Again, I'm not defending ActiveSync; I'm defending the third-party software
vendors who base their products on ActiveSync. ActiveSync sucks and
everyone knows it, but, until there's a market for a replacement that will
pay for many, many man-months of effort of a very expensive software guy to
build a replacement, make that replacement work on innumerable operating
systems on the desktop side, on the device side, etc., there's not going to
be an alternative.

The reason there's nothing out there telling you how to fix it is that you
are the first. It doesn't happen as a matter of course to every device.
I've been running mine for approaching two years with nothing remotely like
this. I sync with two PCs, unlike most people, run dozens of programs, some
from others, some written by me, on the device, again unlike most people,
and have not had a problem. Your luck is bad on this one. If nothing
works, a hard reset will restore the device to the out-of-the-box state that
it came in and that should fix it. If not, the only piece left is
ActiveSync on the desktop and an uninstall/reinstall might fix that. It
doesn't mean that it's your fault or that ActiveSync is not to blame, but
the point of asking a question in the group is to fix the problem, right?

Paul T.

"sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
news:60B2501F-DEF8-454F-B22B-...
> Man, let me tell you, I'd be willing to pay a LOT more than $5 to replace
> AS.
> Between the lost time, effort, energy, and productivity, I think I've
> spent
> a lot more than $5 diagnosing what shouldn't happen between two pieces of
> software that were written by the same company to work WITH each other.
>
> It's (again using your car analogy) like saying, We have a car, you want
> wheels with that car, sure, just make sure that they fit, oh, they do fit,
> well, okay, are they red? No, well, they don't fit then do they?
>
> If this isn't a bug where I've altered absolutely nothing and this
> behavior
> starts showing up 3 days ago and is persistent and there is NO (and I mean
> NO, I've searched everywhere for answers) information about fixing it,
> then
> what the heck? Why produce a product that you force people to use and
> then
> give them something that only sometimes works?
>
> WHY WHY?
>
> *sigh*
>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>
>> Look through the AS settings on the device, first. In the ActiveSync
>> application on the device, choose Menu | Options. Make sure that you
>> agree
>> with the items shown in the list (the PCs that are shown there).
>>
>> Next, choose Menu | Add Server Source. Make sure that the server name is
>> empty, completely, and accept the settings.
>>
>> Next, choose Menu | Connections. Verify that the settings make sense
>> (USB,
>> etc.) Verify that the problem still occurs when you connect to the PC.
>>
>> If that looks fine, but still generates the error when you connect to the
>> PC
>> with the USB cable, then, on the PC, with the device no longer connected,
>> delete the partnership. On the device, while disconnected, do the same
>> (via
>> Menu | Options). If the error occurs again when you connect this 'new'
>> device to the PC the next time, I think you'll have to do a hard reset of
>> the Windows Mobile device.
>>
>> No one is claiming that AS is good, but it is a base technology that is
>> much
>> easier to use as a base than to try to work out syncing yourself. If
>> 100%
>> of the people using Windows Mobile would rather pay for a good syncing
>> program that forget about Windows Mobile and use Palm or something else,
>> then someone would have done it by now, but that's just not the case.
>> The
>> engine metaphor is a good one. If you don't like the engine in your
>> Honda,
>> maybe 0.01% of the people go out and buy a new one and are willing to pay
>> enough to keep the aftermarket engine guys in business, but you can't buy
>> an
>> aftermarket engine for the $5 you'd be willing to pay for an AS
>> replacement.
>> You can buy lots of add-ons for your Honda, exhaust, intake, even turbos
>> and
>> superchargers, but no one wants to build engine blocks and sell them for
>> $50, even if the block is the weak link.
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>>
>> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> news:7EE3C03D-0A28-452C-A207-...
>> > Okay, fair enough, I'm not even going to address the monopoly issue,
>> > because
>> > it's not relevant here.
>> >
>> > So, if my settings are wrong, and I've changed NOTHING in my setup for
>> > Outlook OR Treo what and where do I look.
>> >
>> > Trust me, i do appreciate the help.
>> >
>> > And, no, i don't think making the ONLY software that works with the OS
>> > is
>> > anything less than a monopoly. that's akin, using your metaphor, to
>> > saying,
>> > you can have any car you want, so long as you ONLY use our engine to
>> > run
>> > it.
>> > So, sure, any car in the world, just have to agree to use our engine
>> > and
>> > if
>> > you want overdrive or a 5 speed, sorry, you can use what we give you.
>> > We'll
>> > make sure nothing else is compatible with it, we can let other
>> > manufacturers
>> > make different parts for the engine that fit over the engine block,
>> > just
>> > not
>> > another engine.
>> >
>> > But, again, neither here nor there, just would like to get this solved
>> > and
>> > move on with not having to spend so much time trying to diagnose what
>> > shouldn't be an issue out of the clear blue.
>> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
>> >> ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have
>> >> an
>> >> opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose?
>> >> It's
>> >> for
>> >> a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model
>> >> often
>> >> still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe
>> >> there,
>> >> it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
>> >> Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your
>> >> network,
>> >> but
>> >> it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is
>> >> what
>> >> it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings*
>> >> are
>> >> wrong.
>> >>
>> >> OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write
>> >> some
>> >> software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an
>> >> operating
>> >> system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
>> >> keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word
>> >> processor
>> >> not
>> >> require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish
>> >> your
>> >> word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
>> >> synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
>> >> *EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
>> >> customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a
>> >> big
>> >> job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of
>> >> doing
>> >> it prevents it from being done a different way by every software
>> >> vendor
>> >> out
>> >> there...
>> >>
>> >> Paul T.
>> >>
>> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
>> >> > but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook
>> >> > 2007,
>> >> > and
>> >> > the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read
>> >> > mail.
>> >> >
>> >> > this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives
>> >> > to
>> >> > use
>> >> > to
>> >> > sync with WM devices?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you
>> >> >> use,
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
>> >> >> configured
>> >> >> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Paul T.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
>> >> >> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not
>> >> >> > an
>> >> >> > option,
>> >> >> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > I'd
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code
>> >> >> > 85010001
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE
>> >> >> > exchange
>> >> >> > server
>> >> >> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Dude,

for someone to actually say "it sucks" and you're considered an MVP for M$,
is a telling thing.

Honestly, that is the history OF M$ though. They produce crappy software
that is most often bloated with useless features that only a three-armed goat
would think to use. The fact is and I know this from my own work which is in
usability, 90% of the population that uses M$ products only use about 10%-15%
of the actual features in the products. This being the case, why make them
so bloated with such nonsense that M$ then says the public asks for these
features? Really? The public asks for the ability to not be productive but
have a pretty screen? It's like the computer hardware vendors who claim you
have to have the latest and greatest PC just to run a word processor. WP5.1
was so popular many years ago not becuase it had so many features, but
because it got the job done with the most efficiency. Then they ported it to
Wndows and the userbase went out the (pardon the pun) window.

M$ can't even get their products to work when they show them off. So,
really, there may actually be products out there that are better than AS, but
when you've got a giant gorilla sitting on $45billion in CASH, who can
challenge them? Anyone ever heard of Visual SourceSafe. Great utility, so
what does M$ do, they buy the company. They did the same with a bunch of
other companies when they were too independent and offered utilities or
software that did what M$ couldn't.

They drove the other vendors who could have competed out of business and
then made the monopoly their own. I run M$ software not because i want to,
but because there really isn't any other option. it's by far the most
inferior offering out there, but when you're faced with inferior and nothing
being run out of business by inferior, what are you left to do?

"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:

> You're just in the minority. Nothing wrong with being willing, but it takes
> more than one to make a market. Most people, when they get stuck like you
> are, give up on syncing and just manually 'sync' items to the phone, or
> forget Windows Mobile entirely and return the phone to the dealer.
>
> Again, I'm not defending ActiveSync; I'm defending the third-party software
> vendors who base their products on ActiveSync. ActiveSync sucks and
> everyone knows it, but, until there's a market for a replacement that will
> pay for many, many man-months of effort of a very expensive software guy to
> build a replacement, make that replacement work on innumerable operating
> systems on the desktop side, on the device side, etc., there's not going to
> be an alternative.
>
> The reason there's nothing out there telling you how to fix it is that you
> are the first. It doesn't happen as a matter of course to every device.
> I've been running mine for approaching two years with nothing remotely like
> this. I sync with two PCs, unlike most people, run dozens of programs, some
> from others, some written by me, on the device, again unlike most people,
> and have not had a problem. Your luck is bad on this one. If nothing
> works, a hard reset will restore the device to the out-of-the-box state that
> it came in and that should fix it. If not, the only piece left is
> ActiveSync on the desktop and an uninstall/reinstall might fix that. It
> doesn't mean that it's your fault or that ActiveSync is not to blame, but
> the point of asking a question in the group is to fix the problem, right?
>
> Paul T.
>
> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> news:60B2501F-DEF8-454F-B22B-...
> > Man, let me tell you, I'd be willing to pay a LOT more than $5 to replace
> > AS.
> > Between the lost time, effort, energy, and productivity, I think I've
> > spent
> > a lot more than $5 diagnosing what shouldn't happen between two pieces of
> > software that were written by the same company to work WITH each other.
> >
> > It's (again using your car analogy) like saying, We have a car, you want
> > wheels with that car, sure, just make sure that they fit, oh, they do fit,
> > well, okay, are they red? No, well, they don't fit then do they?
> >
> > If this isn't a bug where I've altered absolutely nothing and this
> > behavior
> > starts showing up 3 days ago and is persistent and there is NO (and I mean
> > NO, I've searched everywhere for answers) information about fixing it,
> > then
> > what the heck? Why produce a product that you force people to use and
> > then
> > give them something that only sometimes works?
> >
> > WHY WHY?
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Look through the AS settings on the device, first. In the ActiveSync
> >> application on the device, choose Menu | Options. Make sure that you
> >> agree
> >> with the items shown in the list (the PCs that are shown there).
> >>
> >> Next, choose Menu | Add Server Source. Make sure that the server name is
> >> empty, completely, and accept the settings.
> >>
> >> Next, choose Menu | Connections. Verify that the settings make sense
> >> (USB,
> >> etc.) Verify that the problem still occurs when you connect to the PC.
> >>
> >> If that looks fine, but still generates the error when you connect to the
> >> PC
> >> with the USB cable, then, on the PC, with the device no longer connected,
> >> delete the partnership. On the device, while disconnected, do the same
> >> (via
> >> Menu | Options). If the error occurs again when you connect this 'new'
> >> device to the PC the next time, I think you'll have to do a hard reset of
> >> the Windows Mobile device.
> >>
> >> No one is claiming that AS is good, but it is a base technology that is
> >> much
> >> easier to use as a base than to try to work out syncing yourself. If
> >> 100%
> >> of the people using Windows Mobile would rather pay for a good syncing
> >> program that forget about Windows Mobile and use Palm or something else,
> >> then someone would have done it by now, but that's just not the case.
> >> The
> >> engine metaphor is a good one. If you don't like the engine in your
> >> Honda,
> >> maybe 0.01% of the people go out and buy a new one and are willing to pay
> >> enough to keep the aftermarket engine guys in business, but you can't buy
> >> an
> >> aftermarket engine for the $5 you'd be willing to pay for an AS
> >> replacement.
> >> You can buy lots of add-ons for your Honda, exhaust, intake, even turbos
> >> and
> >> superchargers, but no one wants to build engine blocks and sell them for
> >> $50, even if the block is the weak link.
> >>
> >> Paul T.
> >>
> >>
> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> news:7EE3C03D-0A28-452C-A207-...
> >> > Okay, fair enough, I'm not even going to address the monopoly issue,
> >> > because
> >> > it's not relevant here.
> >> >
> >> > So, if my settings are wrong, and I've changed NOTHING in my setup for
> >> > Outlook OR Treo what and where do I look.
> >> >
> >> > Trust me, i do appreciate the help.
> >> >
> >> > And, no, i don't think making the ONLY software that works with the OS
> >> > is
> >> > anything less than a monopoly. that's akin, using your metaphor, to
> >> > saying,
> >> > you can have any car you want, so long as you ONLY use our engine to
> >> > run
> >> > it.
> >> > So, sure, any car in the world, just have to agree to use our engine
> >> > and
> >> > if
> >> > you want overdrive or a 5 speed, sorry, you can use what we give you.
> >> > We'll
> >> > make sure nothing else is compatible with it, we can let other
> >> > manufacturers
> >> > make different parts for the engine that fit over the engine block,
> >> > just
> >> > not
> >> > another engine.
> >> >
> >> > But, again, neither here nor there, just would like to get this solved
> >> > and
> >> > move on with not having to spend so much time trying to diagnose what
> >> > shouldn't be an issue out of the clear blue.
> >> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm not *saying* that you *have* Exchange, just that the device or
> >> >> ActiveSync is configured to use it. Ever notice that some cars have
> >> >> an
> >> >> opening on the rear bumper that doesn't seem to serve any purpose?
> >> >> It's
> >> >> for
> >> >> a dual exhaust output. Not every model has one, but the base model
> >> >> often
> >> >> still has that opening. The opening doesn't force there to be a pipe
> >> >> there,
> >> >> it just allows there to be a pipe there. If you set ActiveSync to use
> >> >> Exchange, it doesn't force Exchange to magically appear on your
> >> >> network,
> >> >> but
> >> >> it *WILL* cause there to be a problem if you *don't* have it, which is
> >> >> what
> >> >> it looks to me like is causing a problem. That is, your *settings*
> >> >> are
> >> >> wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> OF COURSE IT'S NOT A MONOPOLY! However, if you were going to write
> >> >> some
> >> >> software, let's say a word processor, would you also write an
> >> >> operating
> >> >> system for the hardware, drivers for every display card, hard disk,
> >> >> keyboard, mouse, USB chip on Earth in order to make your word
> >> >> processor
> >> >> not
> >> >> require any other piece of software? If you did, you'd never finish
> >> >> your
> >> >> word processor, would you? The people who want to write some special
> >> >> synchronization software don't write their own basic sync software for
> >> >> *EXACTLY* the same reason: because they want to add value for their
> >> >> customers, not ALL the value, just some of the value, and syncing is a
> >> >> big
> >> >> job. Microsoft doesn't prevent it from happening, the difficulty of
> >> >> doing
> >> >> it prevents it from being done a different way by every software
> >> >> vendor
> >> >> out
> >> >> there...
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul T.
> >> >>
> >> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:14C85219-FBAF-480B-A039-...
> >> >> > but I DON'T have exchange on either the desktop, running Outlook
> >> >> > 2007,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > the Treo is simply using Activesync and I use FlexMail 2007 to read
> >> >> > mail.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > this was working perfectly fine until just a few days ago.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Isn't that a monopoly that MS doesn't allow any other alternatives
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > use
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > sync with WM devices?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> There's no other choice. No matter which add-on sync software you
> >> >> >> use,
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> will all expect to have ActiveSync running underneath them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It sounds to me like either AS on the desktop or on the device is
> >> >> >> configured
> >> >> >> for Exchange and that the problem is caused by that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Paul T.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> >> >> >> > I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > option,
> >> >> >> > but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > I'd
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> > to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code
> >> >> >> > 85010001
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE
> >> >> >> > exchange
> >> >> >> > server
> >> >> >> > installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Hi,
Did you check to make sure that the Exchange functionality (server name,
user name and password) in Activesync on your device is not setup? This is
only used when you sync with an Exchange server.

Also, if you want to sync with a Mac there are other solutions. However for
the PC there is no option to use another app because the developers do not
see a market competing with Microsoft.


--
Chris De Herrera
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Windows Mobile Device Center FAQs -
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/wmdc/index.htm
ActiveSync Troubleshooting Guide -
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/t-shootactivesync.htm

"sanjsrik" <> wrote in message
news:474BFC31-D814-47CE-AC1B-...
> I'm running Windows XP, NOT Vista, so Mobile Device Center is not an
> option,
> but at the same time, I've had so many issues with ActiveSync that I'd
> like
> to explore an alternative to this buggy software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I'm going to install Intellisync tonight. I'm only looking sync my
> Contacts/Calendar and Tasks.
>
> I've just had so many issues and now I'm being told error code 85010001
> and
> that I can't sync with my exchange server but I don't HAVE exchange server
> installed. Something has to sto the headaches.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.