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DCS
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      07-31-2008
I'm building out several new servers with Win2008 and would like to replace
my existing domain. The current domain has many excess users, groups,
computers, DNS issues, etc. which can be left behind.

I'm considering two different options:

1. Build new Win2008 DC's join them to the domain, demote the old Win2003
DC's, and continue with the existing domain. This is easier.

2. Build new Win2008 DC's in a new domain+forest, create a trust
relationship with the old domain, and gradually migrate users, computers,
etc. to the new domain. This seems like more work, but should result in a
cleaner, better defined/understood/etc. AD.

I haven't done any domain migrations since an NT4 to Win2k conversion -
mostly I've been running mixed Win2k+Win2k3 DC's.

Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but I
don't have time for that.

-dcs
 
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Meinolf Weber
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      08-01-2008
Hello DCS,

If you are lucky with your setup of the domain i would choose option 1. This
is a lot less work. Just upgrade the schema, add the new 2008 as member,
run dcrpomo, make it DNS/GC, move the 5 FSMO roles. Then check replication
and functionality for the users, during disconnection of the old DC's and
if this is fine you can start demoting the old ones.

If you like to start totally from scratch you have to use ADMT v3.1:
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge...rver-2008.aspx


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> I'm building out several new servers with Win2008 and would like to
> replace my existing domain. The current domain has many excess users,
> groups, computers, DNS issues, etc. which can be left behind.
>
> I'm considering two different options:
>
> 1. Build new Win2008 DC's join them to the domain, demote the old
> Win2003 DC's, and continue with the existing domain. This is easier.
>
> 2. Build new Win2008 DC's in a new domain+forest, create a trust
> relationship with the old domain, and gradually migrate users,
> computers, etc. to the new domain. This seems like more work, but
> should result in a cleaner, better defined/understood/etc. AD.
>
> I haven't done any domain migrations since an NT4 to Win2k conversion
> - mostly I've been running mixed Win2k+Win2k3 DC's.
>
> Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but
> I don't have time for that.
>
> -dcs
>



 
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Morgan che
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      08-01-2008
Hi,

Thanks for posting here.

Yes, as you analyzed, if we plan to migrate to Windows server 2008, there
are lots of works to do.
If the target environment is large and we do not have a comprehensive
roll-back plan, it may cause some problems, such as SID changing, domain
object loss, user profile loss etc. Only in the situation that we have to
change domain name, such as company merge etc, we need to use domain
migration.

To consider time-efficiency and convenience, I suggest the first method. I
list the general steps below for your reference:

Domain Transaction:
===============================

1. Verify the new server's TCP/IP configuration has been pointed to the
current DNS server.

2. Make the new server become a member server of the current Windows Server
2003 domain first.

3. Upgrade the Windows Server 2003 forest schema to Windows Server 2008
schema with the "adprep /forestprep" command on old server.

Please run the "adprep.exe /forestprep" command from the Windows Server
2008 installation CD on the schema master. For example:

Drive:\CMPNENTS\R2\ADPREP\adprep.exe /forestprep

4. Upgrade the Windows 2003 domain schema with the "adprep /domainprep"
command on old server.

Drive:\CMPNENTS\R2\ADPREP\adprep.exe /domainprep

5. Run "dcpromo" on new server to promote it as an additional domain
controller in existing Windows 2003 domain, afterwards you may verify the
installation of Active Directory.

6. Verify the new server's TCP/IP configuration has been pointed to current
DNS server.

7. Insert Windows Server 2008 Installation Disc in the new server.

8. Run "dcpromo" on new server to promote it as an additional domain
controller in existing Windows 2003 domain.

9. Install DNS component on new server and configure it as a new DNS Server
(Active Directory Integrated-Zone is preferred). All the DNS configuration
should be replicated to the new DNS server with Active Directory
Replication.

To gradually remove old windows server 2003 server, here is some extra
steps we should do:
================

1. Enable Global Catalog on new server and manually Check Replication
Topology and afterwards manually trigger replication (Replicate Now) to
synchronize Active Directory database between 2 replicas.

Please note: It will some time to replicate GC between DC, please wait some
time with patience.

2. Disable Global Catalog on DC2.

3. Make all the clients change TCP/IP configuration to point to new server
as DNS.

4. Transfer FSMO roles to the new server.

How to view and transfer FSMO roles
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324801

5. Please check whether everything works normally with the new server. If
so, you can run DCPROMO to demote old DC.

To migrate files to the new server:
========================
You can use Robocopy tool to migrate files from old server to the new
server with windows server 2008 without losing NTFS permissions.

More information about Robocopy:
http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...6e8e9-fcb3-4a4
a-9d04-2d8c367b63541033.mspx?mfr=true



Sincerely
Morgan Che
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Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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--->I'm considering two different options:
--->
--->1. Build new Win2008 DC's join them to the domain, demote the old
Win2003
--->DC's, and continue with the existing domain. This is easier.
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--->2. Build new Win2008 DC's in a new domain+forest, create a trust
--->relationship with the old domain, and gradually migrate users,
computers,
--->etc. to the new domain. This seems like more work, but should result
in a
--->cleaner, better defined/understood/etc. AD.
--->
--->I haven't done any domain migrations since an NT4 to Win2k conversion -
--->mostly I've been running mixed Win2k+Win2k3 DC's.
--->
--->Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but I
--->don't have time for that.
--->
--->-dcs
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Jorge de Almeida Pinto [MVP - DS]
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      08-03-2008
> Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but I
> don't have time for that.


not having time or taking the time for a good preparation can result im
problems in the (near) future. Preparation and testing is crucial before
doing things in production!

What I would recommend (or something similar with some other tools:
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge...rver-2008.aspx
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge...th-ADMTv3.aspx


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> I'm building out several new servers with Win2008 and would like to
> replace
> my existing domain. The current domain has many excess users, groups,
> computers, DNS issues, etc. which can be left behind.
>
> I'm considering two different options:
>
> 1. Build new Win2008 DC's join them to the domain, demote the old Win2003
> DC's, and continue with the existing domain. This is easier.
>
> 2. Build new Win2008 DC's in a new domain+forest, create a trust
> relationship with the old domain, and gradually migrate users, computers,
> etc. to the new domain. This seems like more work, but should result in a
> cleaner, better defined/understood/etc. AD.
>
> I haven't done any domain migrations since an NT4 to Win2k conversion -
> mostly I've been running mixed Win2k+Win2k3 DC's.
>
> Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but I
> don't have time for that.
>
> -dcs


 
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Morgan che
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      08-04-2008
Hi,

Thanks for all comunities' inputs.

If you need further assistance, please feel free to let me know.


Sincerely
Morgan Che
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replace
--->my existing domain. The current domain has many excess users, groups,
--->computers, DNS issues, etc. which can be left behind.
--->
--->I'm considering two different options:
--->
--->1. Build new Win2008 DC's join them to the domain, demote the old
Win2003
--->DC's, and continue with the existing domain. This is easier.
--->
--->2. Build new Win2008 DC's in a new domain+forest, create a trust
--->relationship with the old domain, and gradually migrate users,
computers,
--->etc. to the new domain. This seems like more work, but should result
in a
--->cleaner, better defined/understood/etc. AD.
--->
--->I haven't done any domain migrations since an NT4 to Win2k conversion -
--->mostly I've been running mixed Win2k+Win2k3 DC's.
--->
--->Any suggestions? Best practices? Good books? I'd take a class, but I
--->don't have time for that.
--->
--->-dcs
--->

 
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