Adding Vista PC to a domain

I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a drive
to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other Vista
PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a drive
using Domain
credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up normally.

Dave

In order to join a Vista PC to a domain you perform the same sequence of
events as you do with an XP computer - right-click the Computer icon or the
Computer tile in the Start menu, select Properties, then Advanced System
Settings, then use the Computer Name tab to join the domain.

Browsing is an inherently undependable way to find resources in a domain,
and if your XP computers haven't been updated with the LLTD Responder they
won't ever be browsable from a Vista PC:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120

In short, don't browse; it often does not work. Use UNC paths, drive
mappings, or Active Directory to advertise printers and shares to users.



--
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"DaveMac" <> wrote in message
news:2A393D62-7984-4E19-B029-...
> I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a
> drive
> to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other Vista
> PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a
> drive
> using Domain
> credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up normally.

"DaveMac" <> wrote ...
> I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a
> drive
> to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other Vista
> PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a
> drive
> using Domain
> credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up normally.

Hi Dave

I hope I'm not asking the bleeding obvious :-) but ... in the Network and
Sharing Centre, have you:

- selected your Network location as "Private" rather than Public?
- turned on Network Discovery?
- turned on File Sharing?

A "Private" network means that machines on the same network can see each
other with typical ease - like a Home network, or corporate LAN; in other
words, it's a safe enviornment protected from the big bad world by a
firewall and router. A "Public" nework is where the machine is directly
exposed to the public internet; disocovery and networking coms are tightly
constrained if you have a Public network.

Vista uses the LLTD ("Link Layer Topology Discovery") protocol to discover
other computers. No version of Windows prior to Vista has LLTD installed, so
by default these pre-Vista machines do not appear in the Network Map. If you
turn on File Sharing in Vista, this will allow Vista to also collect NetBIOS
machine names from the network, so non-Vista machines will appear as they
are detected. Alternatively, you can install LLTD on the XP machines:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120
For some bizarre reason, Microsoft does not provide an LLTD responder for
Windows Server 2003. But a Win2003 DC will be easily discoverable via DNS
and NetBIOS, once you enable File Sharing. Turning on File Sharing not only
allows SMB traffic, it allows NetBIOS name resolution and RPC traffic.

Enabling these in Network and Sharing should automatically open the ports on
the Windows Firewall. But you can also double-check afterwards that the
following exceptions are enabled in your Firewall:
- core networking
- file and printer sharing
- network discovery

Hope this helps, let us know how you get on.
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the reply - I've tried to add this Vista machine (it's a Dell
laptop) the usual way, but with no success. I previously added 2 Dell PCs to
the same Domain without any issues. With the other 2, I can see the other
Vista PC and all the XPs, but from the laptop, I can only see the other 2
Vista PCs.

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

> In order to join a Vista PC to a domain you perform the same sequence of
> events as you do with an XP computer - right-click the Computer icon or the
> Computer tile in the Start menu, select Properties, then Advanced System
> Settings, then use the Computer Name tab to join the domain.
>
> Browsing is an inherently undependable way to find resources in a domain,
> and if your XP computers haven't been updated with the LLTD Responder they
> won't ever be browsable from a Vista PC:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120
>
> In short, don't browse; it often does not work. Use UNC paths, drive
> mappings, or Active Directory to advertise printers and shares to users.
>
>
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "DaveMac" <> wrote in message
> news:2A393D62-7984-4E19-B029-...
> > I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a
> > drive
> > to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other Vista
> > PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a
> > drive
> > using Domain
> > credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up normally.
>
>

If you can't add the Vista PC to a domain, you need to check the usual
suspects - be sure the Vista PC can ping a DC by name and by IP address,
make sure you don't have the Vista firewall set up inappropriately, plus
with Vista you need to make sure you haven't specified that the domain
network is a public network. Vista is capable of joining a domain same as
XP is, so if it won't you have either a DNS problem or a network
connectivity issue. Telling us what error message you get and/or what
entries show up in Event Viewer when you attempt to join the domain might
help.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"DaveMac" <> wrote in message
news:6E1CBF49-5D1A-4B9C-97DB-...
> Hi Richard,
>
> Thanks for the reply - I've tried to add this Vista machine (it's a Dell
> laptop) the usual way, but with no success. I previously added 2 Dell PCs
> to
> the same Domain without any issues. With the other 2, I can see the other
> Vista PC and all the XPs, but from the laptop, I can only see the other 2
> Vista PCs.
>
> "Richard G. Harper" wrote:
>
>> In order to join a Vista PC to a domain you perform the same sequence of
>> events as you do with an XP computer - right-click the Computer icon or
>> the
>> Computer tile in the Start menu, select Properties, then Advanced System
>> Settings, then use the Computer Name tab to join the domain.
>>
>> Browsing is an inherently undependable way to find resources in a domain,
>> and if your XP computers haven't been updated with the LLTD Responder
>> they
>> won't ever be browsable from a Vista PC:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120
>>
>> In short, don't browse; it often does not work. Use UNC paths, drive
>> mappings, or Active Directory to advertise printers and shares to users.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "DaveMac" <> wrote in message
>> news:2A393D62-7984-4E19-B029-...
>> > I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a
>> > drive
>> > to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other
>> > Vista
>> > PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a
>> > drive
>> > using Domain
>> > credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up
>> > normally.
>>
>>

Dave,
Have any luck with this issue?

Thanks,
Dave

"Andrew McLaren" wrote:

> "DaveMac" <> wrote ...
> > I'm trying to join a Vista Business PC to a 2000 domain, or even map a
> > drive
> > to the server. In Networking, all I see is the router and the other Vista
> > PCs, no XP PCs. If I boot up in safe mode with Networking, I can map a
> > drive
> > using Domain
> > credentials but the mapped drive doesn't connect when I boot up normally.
>
> Hi Dave
>
> I hope I'm not asking the bleeding obvious :-) but ... in the Network and
> Sharing Centre, have you:
>
> - selected your Network location as "Private" rather than Public?
> - turned on Network Discovery?
> - turned on File Sharing?
>
> A "Private" network means that machines on the same network can see each
> other with typical ease - like a Home network, or corporate LAN; in other
> words, it's a safe enviornment protected from the big bad world by a
> firewall and router. A "Public" nework is where the machine is directly
> exposed to the public internet; disocovery and networking coms are tightly
> constrained if you have a Public network.
>
> Vista uses the LLTD ("Link Layer Topology Discovery") protocol to discover
> other computers. No version of Windows prior to Vista has LLTD installed, so
> by default these pre-Vista machines do not appear in the Network Map. If you
> turn on File Sharing in Vista, this will allow Vista to also collect NetBIOS
> machine names from the network, so non-Vista machines will appear as they
> are detected. Alternatively, you can install LLTD on the XP machines:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120
> For some bizarre reason, Microsoft does not provide an LLTD responder for
> Windows Server 2003. But a Win2003 DC will be easily discoverable via DNS
> and NetBIOS, once you enable File Sharing. Turning on File Sharing not only
> allows SMB traffic, it allows NetBIOS name resolution and RPC traffic.
>
> Enabling these in Network and Sharing should automatically open the ports on
> the Windows Firewall. But you can also double-check afterwards that the
> following exceptions are enabled in your Firewall:
> - core networking
> - file and printer sharing
> - network discovery
>
> Hope this helps, let us know how you get on.
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>
>
>