Addition to Previous Energy post (aka, vista is a crime to humanity)

I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same functions
than older OS's needed,
CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally if
you want all the features...
I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
blowers!

What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS IS
CRAZY!

This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!

I WISH FOR THIS:

The next version of windows (windows 7)
be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
wisdom and care for the earth and the people.

I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can be
done...
Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead the
way by being more efficient.

carl feredeck wrote:

> I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same functions
> than older OS's needed,
> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally if
> you want all the features...
> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
> blowers!
>
> What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS IS
> CRAZY!
>
> This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
> Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>
> I WISH FOR THIS:
>
> The next version of windows (windows 7)
> be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
> wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>
> I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can be
> done...
> Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead the
> way by being more efficient.
>
>
>
>
>
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Get lost you idiot!
Frank

You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that result
sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
For example the next generation of Intel CPU on a 45nm fab will be dual and
quad core at greater then 3GHz clock speed and consumer less power at full
speed then a light bulb (approx 60W). Also the technology allows for then
to back off clock speed and even shutdown a core if high levels of
performance is not required.

I assume your figures of 500 to 600W for a PC re not just based on the size
of a power supply they have fitted as again it does not work that way - just
because you put a 600W power supply in your PC does not mean it is using
600W
If did it would mean your PC in a US household was pulling nearly 6amps
again not the case.
--

Mike Brannigan

"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
news:46a777c1$...
>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>functions than older OS's needed,
> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally
> if you want all the features...
> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
> blowers!
>
> What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS
> IS CRAZY!
>
> This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
> Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>
> I WISH FOR THIS:
>
> The next version of windows (windows 7)
> be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
> wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>
> I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can
> be done...
> Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
> the way by being more efficient.
>
>
>
>
>

> You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
> The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
> optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
> accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that result
> sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.

WRONG
given the same cpu, it works harder on vista than older OS.
some laptop cpus can go into a lower power state if not in use...however
with indexing and defrag services runnng in the background
vista ensures more power use.


you are wrong AGAIN..

install a 350w power supply to a modern pc with a high end display adaptor
and you will see that it will not be enough

it will destoy the ps unit... new pcs have 500w psu's and they need that
power.





"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:3346620A-92E0-4D39-BAEA-...
> You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
> The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
> optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
> accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that result
> sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
> For example the next generation of Intel CPU on a 45nm fab will be dual
> and quad core at greater then 3GHz clock speed and consumer less power at
> full speed then a light bulb (approx 60W). Also the technology allows for
> then to back off clock speed and even shutdown a core if high levels of
> performance is not required.
>
> I assume your figures of 500 to 600W for a PC re not just based on the
> size of a power supply they have fitted as again it does not work that
> way - just because you put a 600W power supply in your PC does not mean it
> is using 600W
> If did it would mean your PC in a US household was pulling nearly 6amps
> again not the case.
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
> news:46a777c1$...
>>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>>functions than older OS's needed,
>> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
>> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally
>> if you want all the features...
>> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
>> blowers!
>>
>> What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS
>> IS CRAZY!
>>
>> This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
>> Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>>
>> I WISH FOR THIS:
>>
>> The next version of windows (windows 7)
>> be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
>> wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>>
>> I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can
>> be done...
>> Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
>> the way by being more efficient.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
news:...
>> You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>> The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>> optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>> accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that
>> result sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>
> WRONG
> given the same cpu, it works harder on vista than older OS.
> some laptop cpus can go into a lower power state if not in use...however
> with indexing and defrag services runnng in the background
> vista ensures more power use.
>

Maybe you should read what I actually wrote before you go shouting WORNG
everywhere.

I never mentioned the same CPU working harder under Vista - my point was
that on a modern PC with a later model of processor (remember the vast
majority of home user sales of Vista are by OEM - the retail market is
insignificant, so they are getting Vista on a newer PC with a newer
processor so your comparison is only valid for tiny fraction of the vista
users out there) that can be more powerful in terms of processing capability
it will actually draw less then a previous generation of processor.
The latest generation of Intel CPUs will have a 2W mode as well for
extremely low power usage scenarios.

Again more modern device will run in lower power modes even with low
priority services such as indexing are running, again the default time for
defrag and update are in the middle of the night when your PC will be idle
and drawing a fraction of the power during full operation.

--

Mike Brannigan
"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
news:...
>> You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>> The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>> optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>> accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that
>> result sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>
> WRONG
> given the same cpu, it works harder on vista than older OS.
> some laptop cpus can go into a lower power state if not in use...however
> with indexing and defrag services runnng in the background
> vista ensures more power use.
>
>
> you are wrong AGAIN..
>
> install a 350w power supply to a modern pc with a high end display adaptor
> and you will see that it will not be enough
>
> it will destoy the ps unit... new pcs have 500w psu's and they need that
> power.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:3346620A-92E0-4D39-BAEA-...
>> You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>> The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>> optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>> accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that
>> result sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>> For example the next generation of Intel CPU on a 45nm fab will be dual
>> and quad core at greater then 3GHz clock speed and consumer less power at
>> full speed then a light bulb (approx 60W). Also the technology allows
>> for then to back off clock speed and even shutdown a core if high levels
>> of performance is not required.
>>
>> I assume your figures of 500 to 600W for a PC re not just based on the
>> size of a power supply they have fitted as again it does not work that
>> way - just because you put a 600W power supply in your PC does not mean
>> it is using 600W
>> If did it would mean your PC in a US household was pulling nearly 6amps
>> again not the case.
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan
>>
>> "carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
>> news:46a777c1$...
>>>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>>>functions than older OS's needed,
>>> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy
>>> needed.
>>> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function
>>> normally if you want all the features...
>>> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
>>> blowers!
>>>
>>> What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer?
>>> THIS IS CRAZY!
>>>
>>> This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
>>> Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>>>
>>> I WISH FOR THIS:
>>>
>>> The next version of windows (windows 7)
>>> be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
>>> wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>>>
>>> I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it
>>> can be done...
>>> Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
>>> the way by being more efficient.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

carl feredeck wrote:

>>You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>>The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>>optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>>accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that result
>>sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>
>
> WRONG
> given the same cpu, it works harder on vista than older OS.
> some laptop cpus can go into a lower power state if not in use...however
> with indexing and defrag services runnng in the background
> vista ensures more power use.
>
>
> you are wrong AGAIN..
>
> install a 350w power supply to a modern pc with a high end display adaptor
> and you will see that it will not be enough
>
> it will destoy the ps unit... new pcs have 500w psu's and they need that
> power.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:3346620A-92E0-4D39-BAEA-...
>
>>You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>>The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>>optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>>accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that result
>>sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>>For example the next generation of Intel CPU on a 45nm fab will be dual
>>and quad core at greater then 3GHz clock speed and consumer less power at
>>full speed then a light bulb (approx 60W). Also the technology allows for
>>then to back off clock speed and even shutdown a core if high levels of
>>performance is not required.
>>
>>I assume your figures of 500 to 600W for a PC re not just based on the
>>size of a power supply they have fitted as again it does not work that
>>way - just because you put a 600W power supply in your PC does not mean it
>>is using 600W
>>If did it would mean your PC in a US household was pulling nearly 6amps
>>again not the case.
>>--
>>
>>Mike Brannigan
>>
>>"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
>>news:46a777c1$...
>>
>>>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>>>functions than older OS's needed,
>>>CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
>>>Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally
>>>if you want all the features...
>>>I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
>>>blowers!
>>>
>>>What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS
>>>IS CRAZY!
>>>
>>>This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
>>>Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>>>
>>>I WISH FOR THIS:
>>>
>>>The next version of windows (windows 7)
>>>be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
>>>wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>>>
>>>I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can
>>>be done...
>>>Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
>>>the way by being more efficient.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
They need more power for the video cards you idiot!
Frank

not realy...

3d desktop can be achieved with low power chips,
(see beryl, linux)
it is vista that implemented this badly needing monster cards.

and of course technology will progress, unlike the vista leap backwards.




"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:...
> carl feredeck wrote:
>
>>>You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>>>The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>>>optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>>>accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that
>>>result sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>>
>>
>> WRONG
>> given the same cpu, it works harder on vista than older OS.
>> some laptop cpus can go into a lower power state if not in use...however
>> with indexing and defrag services runnng in the background
>> vista ensures more power use.
>>
>>
>> you are wrong AGAIN..
>>
>> install a 350w power supply to a modern pc with a high end display
>> adaptor and you will see that it will not be enough
>>
>> it will destoy the ps unit... new pcs have 500w psu's and they need that
>> power.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
>> news:3346620A-92E0-4D39-BAEA-...
>>
>>>You do not need to consume more energy to achieve better CPU performance.
>>>The increase in CPU clock speed, number of cores and other internal
>>>optimizations in CPU design that lead to greater CPU performance are
>>>accompanied by a reduction in die size and fabrication process that
>>>result sin lower power consumption figures for more performance.
>>>For example the next generation of Intel CPU on a 45nm fab will be dual
>>>and quad core at greater then 3GHz clock speed and consumer less power at
>>>full speed then a light bulb (approx 60W). Also the technology allows
>>>for then to back off clock speed and even shutdown a core if high levels
>>>of performance is not required.
>>>
>>>I assume your figures of 500 to 600W for a PC re not just based on the
>>>size of a power supply they have fitted as again it does not work that
>>>way - just because you put a 600W power supply in your PC does not mean
>>>it is using 600W
>>>If did it would mean your PC in a US household was pulling nearly 6amps
>>>again not the case.
>>>--
>>>
>>>Mike Brannigan
>>>
>>>"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
>>>news:46a777c1$...
>>>
>>>>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>>>>functions than older OS's needed,
>>>>CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy
>>>>needed.
>>>>Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function
>>>>normally if you want all the features...
>>>>I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
>>>>blowers!
>>>>
>>>>What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer?
>>>>THIS IS CRAZY!
>>>>
>>>>This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
>>>>Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>>>>
>>>>I WISH FOR THIS:
>>>>
>>>>The next version of windows (windows 7)
>>>>be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
>>>>wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it
>>>>can be done...
>>>>Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
>>>>the way by being more efficient.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> They need more power for the video cards you idiot!
> Frank

carl feredeck wrote:
> not realy...
>
> 3d desktop can be achieved with low power chips,
> (see beryl, linux)
> it is vista that implemented this badly needing monster cards.
>
> and of course technology will progress, unlike the vista leap backwards.
>
Hey bozo, we're taking Vista here...not linux crap, ok?
Got it?
Frank

"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
news:46a777c1$...
>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>functions than older OS's needed,
> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally
> if you want all the features...
> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
> blowers!

You have no idea what you are talking about. Newer computers use less
power than older computers.

Mike

Best thing you can do is place your computer in your oven, say 450 for about
30 minutes. That should take care of the problem

"carl feredeck" <> wrote in message
news:46a777c1$...
>I forgot to mention that Vista needs more CPU power to do the same
>functions than older OS's needed,
> CPU power means more watts, and that means more electrical energy needed.
> Plus it needs a high end power draining video card just function normally
> if you want all the features...
> I have seen cards than need huge amounts of power and have large air
> blowers!
>
> What is this? A computer or an oven? 500 - 600 watts for 1 computer? THIS
> IS CRAZY!
>
> This whole concept lacks GRACE and elegance!!!
> Vista is a bloated monster... and a DISGRACE!
>
> I WISH FOR THIS:
>
> The next version of windows (windows 7)
> be redesigned from scratch to be very compact, lightweight, fast, with
> wisdom and care for the earth and the people.
>
> I would like to see computers that can run on less than 20 watts.. it can
> be done...
> Of course the hardware plays the biggest role.. but the OS can also lead
> the way by being more efficient.
>
>
>
>
>