Alcohol and Net 3.5 sp3 update

I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows Net
3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic dial up
connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two days
connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS has
ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first place, but
we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the game and
downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in any dial up
experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated. Someone tell
me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than Hughes satellite
is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to get that into our
machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not make it available as
a CD that can be ordered?

Surely eventually Microsoft will learn being thoughtless is inadvisable.
In the meantime, have a friend burn you a CD from the catalog:
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/....aspx?q=951847
Make sure your pal knows which one of the selections you need.

"superc" <> wrote in message
news:4F870B82-A385-4E27-B6F2-...
> I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows Net
> 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic dial up
> connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two days
> connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS has
> ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first place, but
> we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the game and
> downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in any dial up
> experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated. Someone tell
> me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than Hughes satellite
> is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to get that into our
> machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not make it available as
> a CD that can be ordered?
>

..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
(KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are NOT
"critical" updates.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

superc wrote:
> I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows
> Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
> dial up
> connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two
> days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS
> has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first
> place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
> game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in
> any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated.
> Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than
> Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to
> get
> that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
> make
> it available as a CD that can be ordered?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote:

> .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
> (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are NOT
> "critical" updates.

But if they were, "Automatic Updates" would fetch them via BITS, so even
intermittent (dial-up) connections or a shutdown wont harm.

Stefan

I assume that he means that it shows up in Microsoft Update/Windows Update in
the "High Priority" area...

Just for documentations sake, this update ".NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1
and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)" breaks the ability of
Windows XP clients, at least, from logging into Blue Coat RA appliances (at
least software rev. 2.3.2.1.) This is not MS's fault, I think, but just if
someone is wondering...


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> ..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
> (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are NOT
> "critical" updates.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> superc wrote:
> > I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows
> > Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
> > dial up
> > connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two
> > days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS
> > has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first
> > place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
> > game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in
> > any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated.
> > Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than
> > Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to
> > get
> > that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
> > make
> > it available as a CD that can be ordered?
>
>

Update- On one of my test computers, this update shows as "Optional" and on
another it shows as "High Priority", so perhaps it depends on what the
computer already has installed.

"GantryG" wrote:

> I assume that he means that it shows up in Microsoft Update/Windows Update in
> the "High Priority" area...
>
> Just for documentations sake, this update ".NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1
> and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)" breaks the ability of
> Windows XP clients, at least, from logging into Blue Coat RA appliances (at
> least software rev. 2.3.2.1.) This is not MS's fault, I think, but just if
> someone is wondering...
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
> > ..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
> > (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are NOT
> > "critical" updates.
> > --
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >
> > superc wrote:
> > > I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows
> > > Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
> > > dial up
> > > connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two
> > > days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS
> > > has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first
> > > place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
> > > game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in
> > > any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated.
> > > Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than
> > > Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to
> > > get
> > > that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
> > > make
> > > it available as a CD that can be ordered?
> >
> >

Ditto. .NET Framework v1.0 and v1.1 installed in WinXP SP3 here, and
KB951847 was offered as an Optional update after doing a Custom scan at WU.

FWIW: Even thought it may say it's a 248.xMB update, you may see a much
smaller download.


GantryG wrote:
> Update- On one of my test computers, this update shows as "Optional" and
> on
> another it shows as "High Priority", so perhaps it depends on what the
> computer already has installed.
>
> "GantryG" wrote:
>
>> I assume that he means that it shows up in Microsoft Update/Windows
>> Update
>> in the "High Priority" area...
>>
>> Just for documentations sake, this update ".NET Framework 3.5 Service
>> Pack
>> 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)" breaks the ability of
>> Windows XP clients, at least, from logging into Blue Coat RA appliances
>> (at
>> least software rev. 2.3.2.1.) This is not MS's fault, I think, but just
>> if
>> someone is wondering...
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>> ..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
>>> (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are
>>> NOT "critical" updates.
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>
>>> superc wrote:
>>>> I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new
>>>> windows
>>>> Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
>>>> dial up
>>>> connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the
>>>> two
>>>> days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at
>>>> MS has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the
>>>> first
>>>> place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
>>>> game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement
>>>> in any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is
>>>> mandated. Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband
>>>> other than Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are
>>>> supposed to get
>>>> that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
>>>> make
>>>> it available as a CD that can be ordered?

So I also declined to install it when Windows Update reported
that it was 248mb. But then Automatic Updates popped up and said
it wanted to install it and it only claimed to be 16.8mb there.
Odd. And it was showing as a critical update for me (XP SP3).

Bill

On 1/30/2009 9:48 PM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Ditto. .NET Framework v1.0 and v1.1 installed in WinXP SP3 here, and
> KB951847 was offered as an Optional update after doing a Custom scan at WU.
>
> FWIW: Even thought it may say it's a 248.xMB update, you may see a much
> smaller download.
>
>
> GantryG wrote:
>> Update- On one of my test computers, this update shows as "Optional"
>> and on
>> another it shows as "High Priority", so perhaps it depends on what the
>> computer already has installed.
>>
>> "GantryG" wrote:
>>
>>> I assume that he means that it shows up in Microsoft Update/Windows
>>> Update
>>> in the "High Priority" area...
>>>
>>> Just for documentations sake, this update ".NET Framework 3.5 Service
>>> Pack
>>> 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)" breaks the ability of
>>> Windows XP clients, at least, from logging into Blue Coat RA
>>> appliances (at
>>> least software rev. 2.3.2.1.) This is not MS's fault, I think, but
>>> just if
>>> someone is wondering...
>>>
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>> ..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
>>>> (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209)
>>>> are
>>>> NOT "critical" updates.
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>> superc wrote:
>>>>> I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new
>>>>> windows
>>>>> Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
>>>>> dial up
>>>>> connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the
>>>>> two
>>>>> days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at
>>>>> MS has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the
>>>>> first
>>>>> place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
>>>>> game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement
>>>>> in any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is
>>>>> mandated. Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband
>>>>> other than Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are
>>>>> supposed to get
>>>>> that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
>>>>> make
>>>>> it available as a CD that can be ordered?

Michael Jennings solution worked for me. Took my laptop to a hotspot and
burned an installation disk. I appreciate that link. As someone who learned
to write functional WP and spreadsheet programs back in the days of 64 and
128K I feel there are entirely too many .25 GB updates coming out these days,
and not just from MS. I respect the EULA so I won't dissasemble the thing,
but am confident there is a heck of a lot of not needed padding and other
inefficiencies in it.


"superc" wrote:

> I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows Net
> 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic dial up
> connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two days
> connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS has
> ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first place, but
> we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the game and
> downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in any dial up
> experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated. Someone tell
> me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than Hughes satellite
> is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to get that into our
> machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not make it available as
> a CD that can be ordered?
>

Update- It's not the .Net 3.5 update code itself that breaks the Blue Coat
VPN login, its the expanded length of the user agent string reported by the
browser when it does a Get request. Along with the Office Live Add-in, the
string is much longer, and the Blue Coat code can't take a string that long
(when certain other compnents are loaded on the client station that also add
to the string. Not Microsoft's fault, but other applications may start to
fail, when many of the new MS components add to that user agent string and
the web apps are not built to handle long strings.

"GantryG" wrote:

> Update- On one of my test computers, this update shows as "Optional" and on
> another it shows as "High Priority", so perhaps it depends on what the
> computer already has installed.
>
> "GantryG" wrote:
>
> > I assume that he means that it shows up in Microsoft Update/Windows Update in
> > the "High Priority" area...
> >
> > Just for documentations sake, this update ".NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1
> > and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)" breaks the ability of
> > Windows XP clients, at least, from logging into Blue Coat RA appliances (at
> > least software rev. 2.3.2.1.) This is not MS's fault, I think, but just if
> > someone is wondering...
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> > > ..NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update
> > > (KB951847) and Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) are NOT
> > > "critical" updates.
> > > --
> > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> > > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> > > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> > >
> > > superc wrote:
> > > > I am thinking someone at MS is drunk based on the size of the new windows
> > > > Net 3.5 SP3 update. A Heck of a lot of home users are still on dynamic
> > > > dial up
> > > > connections. I have tried and tried but my ISP just won't allow the two
> > > > days connection time the 248 megabyte update needs. Mind you no one at MS
> > > > has ever explained why single machine homeusers need NET in the first
> > > > place, but we must since it is a "critical" update. Fine we played the
> > > > game and downloaded the humungous Net 1.1 and 2 and 3. [No improvement in
> > > > any dial up experience was ever noticed.] Now a 248 megabyte is mandated.
> > > > Someone tell me how us home users with dial up (no broadband other than
> > > > Hughes satellite is available in this part of Virginia) are supposed to
> > > > get
> > > > that into our machines? If this auto update is that critical, why not
> > > > make
> > > > it available as a CD that can be ordered?
> > >
> > >