Another reason to hate Vista

It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
responding, Explorer needs to close message.

I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.

Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!

So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
screwing up. It just works.

Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
products or hanging or crashing?

"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>
> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>
> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?


Hummm. I don't have that problem. Must not be Vista.

If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking of
the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
XP so many times, I'm use to it.


"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>
> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>
> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?
>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <>
wrote:

>If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking of
>the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
>problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
>XP so many times, I'm use to it.

That isn't the point. You buy something, especially a product that has
been around for over 21 years, you expect the damn thing to WORK. I
can accept NEW features not working in a new version of Windows, I can
accept some new software or new hardware not working correctly until
Microsoft gets off their butt and releases a service pack, but I damn
well refuse to accept something as basic as copying/moving or deleting
files, a core feature of ANY OS to be this badly broken. There simply
is no excuse. BTW, this is far from the first time I've seen this. It
doesn't happen a lot, but enough to be very annoying.

Below space reserved for the usual suspects to make the usual excuses
for Microsoft. It seems to be a reflex action for the fanboy crowd.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:51:51 GMT, "Mellowed" <> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
>> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
>> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
>> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
>> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
>> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
>> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
>> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
>> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
>> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
>> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>>
>> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
>> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
>> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
>> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
>> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>>
>> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
>> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
>> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>>
>> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
>> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
>> screwing up. It just works.
>>
>> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
>> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
>> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
>> products or hanging or crashing?
>
>
>Hummm. I don't have that problem. Must not be Vista.

Your ignorance is showing.

I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from Microsoft, we
know that their products don't work as advertised, but should. There is no
excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed they way that Microsoft
does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I would rather see Microsoft
spend their time making the product right the first time, but they really
don't have any competetion so there is no incentive to do so. It is "Test
In Production"! Unfortunate but true.


"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <>
> wrote:
>
>>If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking
>>of
>>the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
>>problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
>>XP so many times, I'm use to it.
>
> That isn't the point. You buy something, especially a product that has
> been around for over 21 years, you expect the damn thing to WORK. I
> can accept NEW features not working in a new version of Windows, I can
> accept some new software or new hardware not working correctly until
> Microsoft gets off their butt and releases a service pack, but I damn
> well refuse to accept something as basic as copying/moving or deleting
> files, a core feature of ANY OS to be this badly broken. There simply
> is no excuse. BTW, this is far from the first time I've seen this. It
> doesn't happen a lot, but enough to be very annoying.
>
> Below space reserved for the usual suspects to make the usual excuses
> for Microsoft. It seems to be a reflex action for the fanboy crowd.
>

Em Sexta, 13 de Julho de 2007 17:46, Adam Albright escreveu:

> I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files.


this reminds me of a situation i have lived:

i have in work a dvd with authentication keys that we must use regularity,
normaly the dvd only acessed by a eprom-flash writing program and it does
it acessing teh dvd in background. one day, while programing a flash, the
program tells me i don't have the authentication key name xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
so i took the dvd out and put it on a winxp machine, when i try to view it's
contents, file explorer crashed... dvd out, killed the crashed explorer,
dvd in, ooen and crash again.
damm, the dvd is trashed i tough... but ther was no deformation, no
scratches, nothing funny with the dvd, so i took it to another machine,
same thing happened, the i tried on a win2000 machine, chashed... wow
i took the dvd to the guy that administrates all the computers in the
company for him to see... e didn't wanna believe and we endup crashing
portables, desktops, servers, every machine we put the dvd endup temporary
crashed.
so we request a new dvd, thinking the dvd was really trashed, but no, the
new dvd did the same ****, and in the proper machine continues to give the
same error, missing key.

we endup reading the dvd, but it was only possible by comand line prompt,
and then we saw the cause for thoses crashes:
the dvd had 970Mb of information, but all that information was in little
files of 2kb each and all placed in the dvd root (no folders on the dvd).
turns out to be in there millions of files. command "dir" outputed a
scrolling list that after 1 hour scrolling wasn't finished and had to be
breaked. and the missing key was really missing, the wanted key wasn't on
the dvd at all, a "dir filename" gave "no file found".

explorer crashed because it was trying to associate icons to all those
files, and there was to many names to fit in cache, so... crash

i wonder who have the ideia of buiding a dvd like that...

regards

* Adam Albright:
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?

Directory Opus is far superior to Windows Explorer...
I gave up a long time ago on Windows Explorer. I sort
of used to put up with Windows Explorer in XP. But, now
Explorer is just pitiful in Vista, and I use Directory Opus
all the time. Even though XP's Windows Explorer wasn't
the most stable, it could at least delete and transfer files
much faster than Vista.


-Michael

"Bill Yanaire" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from Microsoft,
>we know that their products don't work as advertised, but should. There is
>no excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed they way that
>Microsoft does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I would rather see
>Microsoft spend their time making the product right the first time, but
>they really don't have any competetion so there is no incentive to do so.
>It is "Test In Production"! Unfortunate but true.



Lets see. The last time I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (about 3 weeks after it was
released) there were already about 70 updates available for the damned
thing. It wasn't ready for distribution as per your thinking.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:33:24 +0100, ArameFarpado
<a-> wrote:

>Em Sexta, 13 de Julho de 2007 17:46, Adam Albright escreveu:
>
>> I just wasted fifteen
>> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files.
>
>
>this reminds me of a situation i have lived:
>
>i have in work a dvd with authentication keys that we must use regularity,
>normaly the dvd only acessed by a eprom-flash writing program and it does
>it acessing teh dvd in background. one day, while programing a flash, the
>program tells me i don't have the authentication key name xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>so i took the dvd out and put it on a winxp machine, when i try to view it's
>contents, file explorer crashed... dvd out, killed the crashed explorer,
>dvd in, ooen and crash again.

That's a good story. It seems Windows often doesn't see the forest for
the trees.