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Hi all,
Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? It's either this file and the latest version of Nero clash/conflict, or this update has probs with HT CPU's. Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. BOTH PC's have XP SP2. BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. When I run Nero Startsmart, and click on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is the file that hangs. Clicking on this file on the other PC however, it loads fine? Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both on DMA, and both work. So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? Thanx |
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Noel Paton
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(are you using Norton??)
compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before patching, the versions should be Hh.exe 5.2.3790.2453 26-May-2005 23:26 10,752 SP2QFE Hhctrl.ocx 5.2.3790.2453 27-May-2005 02:08 546,304 SP2QFE Hhsetup.dll 5.2.3790.2453 27-May-2005 02:08 41,472 SP2QFE Itircl.dll 5.2.3790.2453 27-May-2005 02:08 155,136 SP2QFE Itss.dll 5.2.3790.2453 27-May-2005 02:08 137,216 SP2QFE If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the patch while in Safe Mode -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Paul" <> wrote in message news:dfokkg$qjq$... > Hi all, > > Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? > > It's either this file and the latest version of Nero > clash/conflict, or this update has probs > with HT CPU's. > > Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. > > BOTH PC's have XP SP2. > > BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. > > When I run Nero Startsmart, and click > on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is > the file that hangs. > > Clicking on this file on the other PC however, > it loads fine? > > Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool > it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. > > So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use > an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is > a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? > > And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates > > (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? > > I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both > on DMA, and both work. > > So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? > > Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? > > Thanx > > > > > > > |
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Paul
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I'm using NIS 2003 Noel.
I'll do as u suggest. Thanx for the info Cheers "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message news:eqP%... > (are you using Norton??) > > compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before > patching, > the versions should be > Hh.exe > 5.2.3790.2453 > 26-May-2005 > 23:26 > 10,752 > SP2QFE > > Hhctrl.ocx > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 546,304 > SP2QFE > > Hhsetup.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 41,472 > SP2QFE > > Itircl.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 155,136 > SP2QFE > > Itss.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 137,216 > SP2QFE > > If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the > patch while in Safe Mode > > > > -- > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) > > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj > > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > > "Paul" <> wrote in message > news:dfokkg$qjq$... >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >> >> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >> with HT CPU's. >> >> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >> >> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >> >> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >> >> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >> the file that hangs. >> >> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >> it loads fine? >> >> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >> >> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >> >> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >> >> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >> >> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >> on DMA, and both work. >> >> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >> >> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >> >> Thanx >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
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Paul
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OK
hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified shows 27 May 11:22:01 hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows 9 Sept 8:45:57 Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04 p.m Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m Where does SP2QFE show?? Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 Should I be looking at modified, for the dates you've posted?? "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message news:eqP%... > (are you using Norton??) > > compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before > patching, > the versions should be > Hh.exe > 5.2.3790.2453 > 26-May-2005 > 23:26 > 10,752 > SP2QFE > > Hhctrl.ocx > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 546,304 > SP2QFE > > Hhsetup.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 41,472 > SP2QFE > > Itircl.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 155,136 > SP2QFE > > Itss.dll > 5.2.3790.2453 > 27-May-2005 > 02:08 > 137,216 > SP2QFE > > If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the > patch while in Safe Mode > > > > -- > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) > > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj > > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > > "Paul" <> wrote in message > news:dfokkg$qjq$... >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >> >> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >> with HT CPU's. >> >> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >> >> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >> >> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >> >> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >> the file that hangs. >> >> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >> it loads fine? >> >> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >> >> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >> >> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >> >> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >> >> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >> on DMA, and both work. >> >> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >> >> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >> >> Thanx >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
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Paul
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Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE
cable for the dvd and cd burner. Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've rebooted 3 times. At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run it before. "Paul" <> wrote in message news:dfqaud$u5h$... > OK > > hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified > shows 27 May 11:22:01 > > hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows > 9 Sept 8:45:57 > > Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May > 2:04 p.m > > Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 > > itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m > > Where does SP2QFE show?? > > Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows > srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 > > Should I be looking at modified, for the dates > you've posted?? > > > > > > > > "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message > news:eqP%... >> (are you using Norton??) >> >> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >> patching, >> the versions should be >> Hh.exe >> 5.2.3790.2453 >> 26-May-2005 >> 23:26 >> 10,752 >> SP2QFE >> >> Hhctrl.ocx >> 5.2.3790.2453 >> 27-May-2005 >> 02:08 >> 546,304 >> SP2QFE >> >> Hhsetup.dll >> 5.2.3790.2453 >> 27-May-2005 >> 02:08 >> 41,472 >> SP2QFE >> >> Itircl.dll >> 5.2.3790.2453 >> 27-May-2005 >> 02:08 >> 155,136 >> SP2QFE >> >> Itss.dll >> 5.2.3790.2453 >> 27-May-2005 >> 02:08 >> 137,216 >> SP2QFE >> >> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the >> patch while in Safe Mode >> >> >> >> -- >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> >> "Paul" <> wrote in message >> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>> >>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>> with HT CPU's. >>> >>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>> >>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>> >>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>> >>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>> the file that hangs. >>> >>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>> it loads fine? >>> >>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>> >>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>> >>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>> >>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>> >>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>> on DMA, and both work. >>> >>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>> >>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>> >>> Thanx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > |
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Noel Paton
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As you say - Interesting indeed!
WRT the SP2QFE, that's where the files are supposed to be initially installed during the update procedure - if they're not there, then the patch is not properly installed. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-026.mspx (look in the security Update Information section) Try using Belarc Advisor as a final check - www.belarc.com - it will tell you whether any patches are broken. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Paul" <> wrote in message news:dfqct8$27t$... > Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE > cable for the dvd and cd burner. > > Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've > rebooted 3 times. > > At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. > > And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run it > before. > > > > "Paul" <> wrote in message > news:dfqaud$u5h$... >> OK >> >> hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified >> shows 27 May 11:22:01 >> >> hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows >> 9 Sept 8:45:57 >> >> Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May >> 2:04 p.m >> >> Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 >> >> itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m >> >> Where does SP2QFE show?? >> >> Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows >> srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 >> >> Should I be looking at modified, for the dates >> you've posted?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >> news:eqP%... >>> (are you using Norton??) >>> >>> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >>> patching, >>> the versions should be >>> Hh.exe >>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>> 26-May-2005 >>> 23:26 >>> 10,752 >>> SP2QFE >>> >>> Hhctrl.ocx >>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>> 27-May-2005 >>> 02:08 >>> 546,304 >>> SP2QFE >>> >>> Hhsetup.dll >>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>> 27-May-2005 >>> 02:08 >>> 41,472 >>> SP2QFE >>> >>> Itircl.dll >>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>> 27-May-2005 >>> 02:08 >>> 155,136 >>> SP2QFE >>> >>> Itss.dll >>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>> 27-May-2005 >>> 02:08 >>> 137,216 >>> SP2QFE >>> >>> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the >>> patch while in Safe Mode >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>> >>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>> >>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>> NG's >>> >>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>>> >>>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>>> with HT CPU's. >>>> >>>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>>> >>>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>>> >>>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>>> >>>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>>> the file that hangs. >>>> >>>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>>> it loads fine? >>>> >>>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>>> >>>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>>> >>>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>>> >>>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>>> >>>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>>> on DMA, and both work. >>>> >>>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>>> >>>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>>> >>>> Thanx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Paul
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Thanx for the link Noel.
I'll check it out. Well so far, so good since I've replaced the IDE cable. I replaced the previous CD burner (ASUS 52x24x52 with an ASUS 52x32x52)! Maybe the new burner thought the old IDE cable was too slow? Altho both the old and the new CD burner still show up as DMA 2. And the DVD burner, (I've just noticed) which I'm pretty sure was DMA 2 has now jumped to DMA 4! Can't say I've seen DMA 4 on a DVD or CD burner before. (I put an 80 wire IDE cable in for the DVD and CD burner). And the IDE cable that was in previously worked fine (Well until I made 2 coasters using Nero doing a data cd from the last 2 CD's I had). BUT it burned fine for an MP3 CD. Maybe that was the reason. The cable I had in the case was dying, or kinked somewhere? I've rebooted about 10-11 times so far. And all still run! So, I think I've figured out that this ? (which brings up hh.exe), under Startsmart, Infotool, entering the serial # for extras under Startsmart, and Nerovision Express, seemed to be linked to this 1 cable! Because if one of these froze, the others froze too.....after I rebooted. And if one worked all worked?! "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message news:... > As you say - Interesting indeed! > > WRT the SP2QFE, that's where the files are supposed to be initially > installed during the update procedure - if they're not there, then the > patch is not properly installed. > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-026.mspx > (look in the security Update Information section) > > Try using Belarc Advisor as a final check - www.belarc.com - it will tell > you whether any patches are broken. > > > > -- > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) > > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj > > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > > "Paul" <> wrote in message > news:dfqct8$27t$... >> Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE >> cable for the dvd and cd burner. >> >> Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've >> rebooted 3 times. >> >> At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. >> >> And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run it >> before. >> >> >> >> "Paul" <> wrote in message >> news:dfqaud$u5h$... >>> OK >>> >>> hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified >>> shows 27 May 11:22:01 >>> >>> hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows >>> 9 Sept 8:45:57 >>> >>> Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May >>> 2:04 p.m >>> >>> Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 >>> >>> itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m >>> >>> Where does SP2QFE show?? >>> >>> Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows >>> srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 >>> >>> Should I be looking at modified, for the dates >>> you've posted?? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >>> news:eqP%... >>>> (are you using Norton??) >>>> >>>> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >>>> patching, >>>> the versions should be >>>> Hh.exe >>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>> 26-May-2005 >>>> 23:26 >>>> 10,752 >>>> SP2QFE >>>> >>>> Hhctrl.ocx >>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>> 27-May-2005 >>>> 02:08 >>>> 546,304 >>>> SP2QFE >>>> >>>> Hhsetup.dll >>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>> 27-May-2005 >>>> 02:08 >>>> 41,472 >>>> SP2QFE >>>> >>>> Itircl.dll >>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>> 27-May-2005 >>>> 02:08 >>>> 155,136 >>>> SP2QFE >>>> >>>> Itss.dll >>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>> 27-May-2005 >>>> 02:08 >>>> 137,216 >>>> SP2QFE >>>> >>>> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the >>>> patch while in Safe Mode >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>>> >>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>>> >>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>>> NG's >>>> >>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>>>> >>>>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>>>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>>>> with HT CPU's. >>>>> >>>>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>>>> >>>>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>>>> >>>>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>>>> >>>>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>>>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>>>> the file that hangs. >>>>> >>>>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>>>> it loads fine? >>>>> >>>>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>>>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>>>> >>>>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>>>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>>>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>>>> >>>>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>>>> >>>>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>>>> >>>>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>>>> on DMA, and both work. >>>>> >>>>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>>>> >>>>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>>>> >>>>> Thanx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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DMA4 doesn't work over 40-wire ribbons - which explains the difference
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I've given up trying to understand the/any logic behind the way Nero works/doesn't work!<g> -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Paul" <> wrote in message news:dfrk85$d4q$... > Thanx for the link Noel. > > I'll check it out. > > Well so far, so good since I've replaced > the IDE cable. > > I replaced the previous CD burner > > (ASUS 52x24x52 with an ASUS 52x32x52)! > > Maybe the new burner thought the old IDE cable was too slow? > > Altho both the old and the new CD burner still > show up as DMA 2. > > And the DVD burner, (I've just noticed) which I'm pretty sure was DMA 2 > has now jumped to DMA 4! > > Can't say I've seen DMA 4 on a DVD or CD burner before. > > (I put an 80 wire IDE cable in for the DVD and CD burner). > > And the IDE cable that was in previously worked fine > > (Well until I made 2 coasters using Nero doing a data cd from the last 2 > CD's I had). > > BUT it burned fine for an MP3 CD. > > Maybe that was the reason. The cable I had in the > case was dying, or kinked somewhere? > > I've rebooted about 10-11 times so far. > > And all still run! > > So, I think I've figured out that this ? > (which brings up hh.exe), under Startsmart, Infotool, entering the serial > # for extras under Startsmart, and > Nerovision Express, seemed to be linked > to this 1 cable! > > Because if one of these froze, the others > froze too.....after I rebooted. > > And if one worked all worked?! > > > "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message > news:... >> As you say - Interesting indeed! >> >> WRT the SP2QFE, that's where the files are supposed to be initially >> installed during the update procedure - if they're not there, then the >> patch is not properly installed. >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-026.mspx >> (look in the security Update Information section) >> >> Try using Belarc Advisor as a final check - www.belarc.com - it will tell >> you whether any patches are broken. >> >> >> >> -- >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> >> "Paul" <> wrote in message >> news:dfqct8$27t$... >>> Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE >>> cable for the dvd and cd burner. >>> >>> Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've >>> rebooted 3 times. >>> >>> At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. >>> >>> And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run it >>> before. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>> news:dfqaud$u5h$... >>>> OK >>>> >>>> hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified >>>> shows 27 May 11:22:01 >>>> >>>> hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows >>>> 9 Sept 8:45:57 >>>> >>>> Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May >>>> 2:04 p.m >>>> >>>> Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 >>>> >>>> itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m >>>> >>>> Where does SP2QFE show?? >>>> >>>> Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows >>>> srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 >>>> >>>> Should I be looking at modified, for the dates >>>> you've posted?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >>>> news:eqP%... >>>>> (are you using Norton??) >>>>> >>>>> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >>>>> patching, >>>>> the versions should be >>>>> Hh.exe >>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>> 26-May-2005 >>>>> 23:26 >>>>> 10,752 >>>>> SP2QFE >>>>> >>>>> Hhctrl.ocx >>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>> 02:08 >>>>> 546,304 >>>>> SP2QFE >>>>> >>>>> Hhsetup.dll >>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>> 02:08 >>>>> 41,472 >>>>> SP2QFE >>>>> >>>>> Itircl.dll >>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>> 02:08 >>>>> 155,136 >>>>> SP2QFE >>>>> >>>>> Itss.dll >>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>> 02:08 >>>>> 137,216 >>>>> SP2QFE >>>>> >>>>> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the >>>>> patch while in Safe Mode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>>>> >>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>>>> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>>>> >>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>>>> NG's >>>>> >>>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>>> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>>>>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>>>>> with HT CPU's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>>>>> >>>>>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>>>>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>>>>> the file that hangs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>>>>> it loads fine? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>>>>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>>>>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>>>>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>>>>> >>>>>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>>>>> >>>>>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>>>>> on DMA, and both work. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>>>>> >>>>>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Ah ok gotcha Noel.
Didnt think putting an 80 wire cable on the secondary IDE would make things any faster. Obviously, I was wrong! Well, what I've posted here so far, I think the burner itself, is the culprit. Its either got a buggy firmware version on it, or its a faulty cd burner/product. Even tho the BIOS / Post screen / XP detects it, there's no point having it connected, because it freezes Nero, and the system! Because on the ASUS forum site, someone else has the same burner (but an external version) and its doing exactly the same thing! Because, I replaced the cable, (which I thought HAD fixed it). It didnt. I updated the firmware to the latest 1.01, it still hung, so i went back to the original firmware 1.00, and it still hung those Nero programs! It has now been removed, and everything seems to run as normal (like before I installed it). And now it'll be going back to the shop for a replacement or refund lol. Its less than a week old. I got it on 4/9, its now 10/9. "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message news:... > DMA4 doesn't work over 40-wire ribbons - which explains the difference > there. > > I've given up trying to understand the/any logic behind the way Nero > works/doesn't work!<g> > > -- > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) > > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj > > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > > "Paul" <> wrote in message > news:dfrk85$d4q$... >> Thanx for the link Noel. >> >> I'll check it out. >> >> Well so far, so good since I've replaced >> the IDE cable. >> >> I replaced the previous CD burner >> >> (ASUS 52x24x52 with an ASUS 52x32x52)! >> >> Maybe the new burner thought the old IDE cable was too slow? >> >> Altho both the old and the new CD burner still >> show up as DMA 2. >> >> And the DVD burner, (I've just noticed) which I'm pretty sure was DMA 2 >> has now jumped to DMA 4! >> >> Can't say I've seen DMA 4 on a DVD or CD burner before. >> >> (I put an 80 wire IDE cable in for the DVD and CD burner). >> >> And the IDE cable that was in previously worked fine >> >> (Well until I made 2 coasters using Nero doing a data cd from the last 2 >> CD's I had). >> >> BUT it burned fine for an MP3 CD. >> >> Maybe that was the reason. The cable I had in the >> case was dying, or kinked somewhere? >> >> I've rebooted about 10-11 times so far. >> >> And all still run! >> >> So, I think I've figured out that this ? >> (which brings up hh.exe), under Startsmart, Infotool, entering the serial >> # for extras under Startsmart, and >> Nerovision Express, seemed to be linked >> to this 1 cable! >> >> Because if one of these froze, the others >> froze too.....after I rebooted. >> >> And if one worked all worked?! >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >> news:... >>> As you say - Interesting indeed! >>> >>> WRT the SP2QFE, that's where the files are supposed to be initially >>> installed during the update procedure - if they're not there, then the >>> patch is not properly installed. >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 >>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-026.mspx >>> (look in the security Update Information section) >>> >>> Try using Belarc Advisor as a final check - www.belarc.com - it will >>> tell you whether any patches are broken. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>> >>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>> >>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>> NG's >>> >>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>> news:dfqct8$27t$... >>>> Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE >>>> cable for the dvd and cd burner. >>>> >>>> Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've >>>> rebooted 3 times. >>>> >>>> At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. >>>> >>>> And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run it >>>> before. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>> news:dfqaud$u5h$... >>>>> OK >>>>> >>>>> hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified >>>>> shows 27 May 11:22:01 >>>>> >>>>> hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows >>>>> 9 Sept 8:45:57 >>>>> >>>>> Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May >>>>> 2:04 p.m >>>>> >>>>> Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 >>>>> >>>>> itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m >>>>> >>>>> Where does SP2QFE show?? >>>>> >>>>> Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows >>>>> srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 >>>>> >>>>> Should I be looking at modified, for the dates >>>>> you've posted?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >>>>> news:eqP%... >>>>>> (are you using Norton??) >>>>>> >>>>>> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >>>>>> patching, >>>>>> the versions should be >>>>>> Hh.exe >>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>> 26-May-2005 >>>>>> 23:26 >>>>>> 10,752 >>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>> >>>>>> Hhctrl.ocx >>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>> 546,304 >>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>> >>>>>> Hhsetup.dll >>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>> 41,472 >>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>> >>>>>> Itircl.dll >>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>> 155,136 >>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>> >>>>>> Itss.dll >>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>> 137,216 >>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>> >>>>>> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling the >>>>>> patch while in Safe Mode >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>>>>> >>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>>>>> NG's >>>>>> >>>>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>>>> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>>>>>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>>>>>> with HT CPU's. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>>>>>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>>>>>> the file that hangs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>>>>>> it loads fine? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>>>>>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>>>>>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>>>>>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>>>>>> on DMA, and both work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Sounds like a plan to me! - good luck (and let us know how it turns out,
please?) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Paul" <> wrote in message news:dftrnl$gaa$... > Ah ok gotcha Noel. > > Didnt think putting an 80 wire cable on > the secondary IDE would make things any > faster. Obviously, I was wrong! > > Well, what I've posted here so far, I think the > burner itself, is the culprit. > > Its either got a buggy firmware version on it, > or its a faulty cd burner/product. > > Even tho the BIOS / Post screen / XP detects > it, there's no point having it connected, because it > freezes Nero, and the system! > > Because on the ASUS forum site, someone > else has the same burner (but an external version) > and its doing exactly the same thing! > > Because, I replaced the cable, (which I thought > HAD fixed it). It didnt. I updated the firmware > to the latest 1.01, it still hung, so i went back to the > original firmware 1.00, and it still hung those Nero programs! > > It has now been removed, and everything seems to > run as normal (like before I installed it). > > And now it'll be going back to the shop for a replacement > or refund lol. > > Its less than a week old. I got it on 4/9, its now 10/9. > > > > > > > "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message > news:... >> DMA4 doesn't work over 40-wire ribbons - which explains the difference >> there. >> >> I've given up trying to understand the/any logic behind the way Nero >> works/doesn't work!<g> >> >> -- >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> >> "Paul" <> wrote in message >> news:dfrk85$d4q$... >>> Thanx for the link Noel. >>> >>> I'll check it out. >>> >>> Well so far, so good since I've replaced >>> the IDE cable. >>> >>> I replaced the previous CD burner >>> >>> (ASUS 52x24x52 with an ASUS 52x32x52)! >>> >>> Maybe the new burner thought the old IDE cable was too slow? >>> >>> Altho both the old and the new CD burner still >>> show up as DMA 2. >>> >>> And the DVD burner, (I've just noticed) which I'm pretty sure was DMA 2 >>> has now jumped to DMA 4! >>> >>> Can't say I've seen DMA 4 on a DVD or CD burner before. >>> >>> (I put an 80 wire IDE cable in for the DVD and CD burner). >>> >>> And the IDE cable that was in previously worked fine >>> >>> (Well until I made 2 coasters using Nero doing a data cd from the last 2 >>> CD's I had). >>> >>> BUT it burned fine for an MP3 CD. >>> >>> Maybe that was the reason. The cable I had in the >>> case was dying, or kinked somewhere? >>> >>> I've rebooted about 10-11 times so far. >>> >>> And all still run! >>> >>> So, I think I've figured out that this ? >>> (which brings up hh.exe), under Startsmart, Infotool, entering the >>> serial # for extras under Startsmart, and >>> Nerovision Express, seemed to be linked >>> to this 1 cable! >>> >>> Because if one of these froze, the others >>> froze too.....after I rebooted. >>> >>> And if one worked all worked?! >>> >>> >>> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >>> news:... >>>> As you say - Interesting indeed! >>>> >>>> WRT the SP2QFE, that's where the files are supposed to be initially >>>> installed during the update procedure - if they're not there, then the >>>> patch is not properly installed. >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-026.mspx >>>> (look in the security Update Information section) >>>> >>>> Try using Belarc Advisor as a final check - www.belarc.com - it will >>>> tell you whether any patches are broken. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>>> >>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>>> >>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>>> NG's >>>> >>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>> news:dfqct8$27t$... >>>>> Interesting, I thought I'll change the IDE >>>>> cable for the dvd and cd burner. >>>>> >>>>> Since, Infotool seemed to hang after it showed the dvd burner. I've >>>>> rebooted 3 times. >>>>> >>>>> At the mo, this works, and so does the ? under Startsmart. >>>>> >>>>> And so does Nerovision Express (which also hung), when I went to run >>>>> it before. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>>> news:dfqaud$u5h$... >>>>>> OK >>>>>> >>>>>> hh.exe is the same file size, same version, but modified >>>>>> shows 27 May 11:22:01 >>>>>> >>>>>> hhctrl.ocx same version / size modified shows >>>>>> 9 Sept 8:45:57 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hhsetup.dll same version / size Modified 27 May >>>>>> 2:04 p.m >>>>>> >>>>>> Itircl.dll same version / size modified 27 May 2:04 >>>>>> >>>>>> itss.dll same version / size Modified 27 May 2:04:27 p.m >>>>>> >>>>>> Where does SP2QFE show?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Under Version / file version on all of these, it shows >>>>>> srv-3_sp1_gdr.050525-1542 >>>>>> >>>>>> Should I be looking at modified, for the dates >>>>>> you've posted?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Noel Paton" <> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eqP%... >>>>>>> (are you using Norton??) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> compare your file versions - assuming all machines were SP2 before >>>>>>> patching, >>>>>>> the versions should be >>>>>>> Hh.exe >>>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>>> 26-May-2005 >>>>>>> 23:26 >>>>>>> 10,752 >>>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hhctrl.ocx >>>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>>> 546,304 >>>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hhsetup.dll >>>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>>> 41,472 >>>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Itircl.dll >>>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>>> 155,136 >>>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Itss.dll >>>>>>> 5.2.3790.2453 >>>>>>> 27-May-2005 >>>>>>> 02:08 >>>>>>> 137,216 >>>>>>> SP2QFE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If yours are different, try disabling your AV and/or reinstalling >>>>>>> the patch while in Safe Mode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi >>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to >>>>>>> NG's >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Paul" <> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:dfokkg$qjq$... >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone having probs with this update and Nero? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's either this file and the latest version of Nero >>>>>>>> clash/conflict, or this update has probs >>>>>>>> with HT CPU's. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because this update is installed on 2 PC's here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOTH PC's have XP SP2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BOTH PC's have Nero 6.6.0.16. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I run Nero Startsmart, and click >>>>>>>> on the ? on here, it freezes the system, and hh.exe is >>>>>>>> the file that hangs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clicking on this file on the other PC however, >>>>>>>> it loads fine? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, previously, when loading Nero Infotool >>>>>>>> it brought up the devices but hung 1/2 way as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, why would the other PC (which doesnt use >>>>>>>> an HT CPU, work fine, and this CPU which is >>>>>>>> a 2.4 HT CPU hang)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the file that hangs is this hh.exe file, which 896358 updates >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Well I think this update updates/patches hh.exe doesnt it)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dont think the burners are the prob, they're both >>>>>>>> on DMA, and both work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, any ideas if 896358 is a bit stuffed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or whether it conflicts with Nero or not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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