Avoid ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver update for Vista

Hello. I used this procedure from "Antioch":

1. Go to Device Manager (To access device manager, Go to
START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM & MAINTENANCE/SYSTEM/DEVICE MANAGER

2. Expand "SYSTEM DEVICES"

3. Find "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER DRIVER" and delete it.

4. Reboot

5. Check and make sure "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER" has been
deleted.
If it has not, restart at step 3.

6. If it has been deleted, Reboot 1 or 2 more times and then your
computer should be OK.

However I couldn't delete that driver, so i did that in other way. I just
chose "Return driver changes" (I don't know how it is called in English,
because I have czech Vista.) Then restart your pc and it should work properly.

I hope this will help you and solve this big actual problem.

Best regards,
David

Ok, None off the above have worked, so what to do...??

"David" wrote:

> Hello. I used this procedure from "Antioch":
>
> 1. Go to Device Manager (To access device manager, Go to
> START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM & MAINTENANCE/SYSTEM/DEVICE MANAGER
>
> 2. Expand "SYSTEM DEVICES"
>
> 3. Find "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER DRIVER" and delete it.
>
> 4. Reboot
>
> 5. Check and make sure "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER" has been
> deleted.
> If it has not, restart at step 3.
>
> 6. If it has been deleted, Reboot 1 or 2 more times and then your
> computer should be OK.
>
> However I couldn't delete that driver, so i did that in other way. I just
> chose "Return driver changes" (I don't know how it is called in English,
> because I have czech Vista.) Then restart your pc and it should work properly.
>
> I hope this will help you and solve this big actual problem.
>
> Best regards,
> David

Hi there,

Microsoft does not monitor this all.

Just take the freely given advice and keep you pc running.
Most important: Make backups.

Best regards,
Michel Denie

"Michel Merlin" <> wrote in message
news:...
1) Saying « relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers should *not*
be done » is essentially denying the very purpose of the Hardware section of
the MS Update site. What is the purpose of MS Update if one can't rely on
it?

2) Saying « Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something », thus
reducing driver update to resuming something that was (or was assumed)
working, is essentially denying any chance of progress or improvement. I was
strongly against such deny a decade ago; sure facts now too often prompt to
agree - at least when Microsoft is concerned - but not always, and anyway
this should not be or remain the case.

3) When you try installing a driver that is not MS-certified, you get warned
*by MS (in its OS)* that you are wrong. Then when you install a
WHQL-certified driver *using MS Update site*, you are told again that you
are wrong.

4) And when you notice the incoherence, MS-MVPs not only won't try to
forward the problem up the ladder to management and developers until it gets
fixed - but will even chastise you for not worshiping MS (staff or MVP-gods
or else). Doubt it? see below the incredible "lessons" about it, and -
cerise sur le gâteau - the final one about « Also - what did you mean by, "
I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "? » (and please don't laugh!).

5) We all should remember that MS MVPs (or other official "volunteers") are
actually not as volunteer as regular users posting here, who OTOH are most
often doing so without any reward of any sort (e.g. no travel or invitation
or free software), even without any consideration or indulgence or
friendliness or understanding their suggestions or even trying to understand
them.

In conclusion I firmly request that MS management re-teaches their staff
(and "volunteers" of all sorts) about:

- respecting customers' choices and preferences
- respecting *at all levels* MS statements, like the ones asking customers
to trust MU and MS-certified drivers (developers' level: strive at making
everything work as stated; MVPs level: of course tell users when things FAIL
to work as stated, but don't pretend it is right to never trust it)
- be modest when facing customers (e.g. never try teaching life to them!);
remember (as is well known in all mature markets, like cars, curtains, food,
etc) that the *average* customer is *high above* the *average* sales or
"support" staff (and even more above *average* "volunteers" of all sorts);
and this, in education, in knowledge, hence accordingly in modesty,
politeness, regards to others; hence the low-rank-looking customer is
*generally* much more knowledgeable than he pretends. All this tends to be
forgotten in immature markets (like IT currently).
- above all, be true in everything you say.

Versailles, Sun 18 Nov 2007 21:46:00 +0100


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: Shenan Stanley <>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/eZyIpNIK...TNGP02.phx.gbl
Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 13:03:43 -0600 (19:03:43 GMT)
Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME

joe wrote:
> ...Windows update is not meant to offer irrelevant and downright faulty
> updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely

It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by many
different people that relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers
should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that appear there have to be
submitted to Microsoft by the hardware vendors anyway. They have to pay for
the priviledge to have them placed there. There is also a process through
which the drivers to be placed there have to go through to get the
'logo'/'certified'. That all takes time. By the time it is done - usually
several releases from the manufacturer have passed by - sometimes solving
issues with that original driver, sometimes just new features, sometimes
nothing major.

Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for products
that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' -> it's usually better
*not* to take the chance. Just because it passed through whatever 'process'
to get the logo/certification does not mean there are not problems with it -
problems that the manufacturer may have found and repaired in later versions
of the driver that they have chosen not to pay Microsoft to test/certify/put
up for them.

The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything else) not
perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly when you throw in the
pure number of variables you speak of when talking about computers and
changing things across millions of them. You can help limit exposure to
problems a bit by changing the downloads to something more manual where
possible or getting the updates manually completely and reading about them
first. The suggestions in these newsgroups about hardware drivers have
almost always been the same:

- Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you think it
might fix something) you are actually having trouble with (or if you just
have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
- When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer of said
hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation or support of
the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?

Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "?
It's one or the other. You cannot "know you don't need" something and then
"not be sure"... ;-)

In that case (this is not just computer advice) from now own - I suggest you
research and "be sure" before doing something if your gut is telling you
that you don't "need it". ;-) The error here is not __just__ on "their
part" for offering the update - but for those who accepted/installed the
optional update(s) when they "knew [they] didn't need it". ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: joe <>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
Message:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/5A360693...@microsoft.com
Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 10:36:01 -0800 (18:36:01 GMT)
Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME

Yes I will definitly do that from now on. However this is clearly a mistake,
an error on their part. Windows update is not meant to offer irrelevant and
downright faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: realcestmoi <>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23an1HR...TNGP05.phx.gbl
Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 16:20:50 +0100 (15:20:50 GMT)
Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME

Hi there,

Optional drivers, read the treath and do NOT take any non MS drivers from
windows Update.

System restore can be usefull if you did not follow the advice.

Best regards,
Michel Denie


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: <Joe>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 05:27:20 -0800 (13:27:20 GMT)
Subject: THEY GOT ME

THOSE BASTARDS GOT ME. WHY did i download that? I knew I didnt need it but I
wasnt sure, I gave ms too much trust. Took me hours to figure this out. It
disabled my mouse and keyboard. Even when you boot in safemode it still
loads this ATIpcie driver. Only way I could find to fix it was to system
restore from the windows disk !

EggHeadCafe - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
http://www.eggheadcafe.com

"David" <> wrote in message
news:72562C89-5DBA-42B6-B828-...
> Ok, None off the above have worked, so what to do...??
>

Sorry to hear that - it has worked for a couple of others.
I just passed it on in the hope it would.
Antioch

joe wrote:
> ...Windows update is not meant to offer irrelevant and downright
> faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely

Shenan wrote:
> It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by
> many different people that relying on the Windows Updates for
> hardware drivers should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that
> appear there have to be submitted to Microsoft by the hardware
> vendors anyway. They have to pay for the priviledge to have them
> placed there. There is also a process through which the drivers to
> be placed there have to go through to get the 'logo'/'certified'.
> That all takes time. By the time it is done - usually several
> releases from the manufacturer have passed by - sometimes solving
> issues with that original driver, sometimes just new features,
> sometimes nothing major.
>
> Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for
> products that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' ->
> it's usually better *not* to take the chance. Just because it
> passed through whatever 'process' to get the logo/certification
> does not mean there are not problems with it - problems that the
> manufacturer may have found and repaired in later versions of the
> driver that they have chosen not to pay Microsoft to
> test/certify/put up for them.
>
> The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything
> else) not perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly
> when you throw in the pure number of variables you speak of when
> talking about computers and changing things across millions of
> them. You can help limit exposure to problems a bit by changing
> the downloads to something more manual where possible or getting
> the updates manually completely and reading about them first. The
> suggestions in these newsgroups about hardware drivers have almost
> always been the same:
>
> - Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you
> think it might fix something) you are actually having trouble with
> (or if you just have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
> - When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer
> of said hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation
> or support of the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?
>
> Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't
> sure "? It's one or the other. You cannot "know you don't need"
> something and then "not be sure"... ;-)
>
> In that case (this is not just computer advice) from now own - I
> suggest you research and "be sure" before doing something if your
> gut is telling you that you don't "need it". ;-) The error here is
> not __just__ on "their part" for offering the update - but for
> those who accepted/installed the optional update(s) when they "knew
> [they] didn't need it". ;-)



Responded to inline...

The conversation (in its entirity):
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...nsubject%3AME#




Michel Merlin wrote:
> 1) Saying « relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers
> should *not* be done » is essentially denying the very purpose of
> the Hardware section of the MS Update site. What is the purpose of
> MS Update if one can't rely on it?

Relying on alone Windows Updates for hardware drivers is foolish, IMHO.
You don't rely on your computer to work all the time - otherwise why waste
your time with backups.
Nothing is perfect - if it was - the development on software and computing
advancement would have stopped.
I am not denying the purpose of the "hardware" section of the MS Update
site. I am recommending against it and giving what I see as the better
alternative.

> 2) Saying « Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something
> », thus reducing driver update to resuming something that was (or
> was assumed) working, is essentially denying any chance of progress
> or improvement. I was strongly against such deny a decade ago; sure
> facts now too often prompt to agree - at least when Microsoft is
> concerned - but not always, and anyway this should not be or remain
> the case.

First - that is partial quote.

" Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you
think it might fix something) you are actually having trouble with
(or if you just have to have the new feature it might have in it.) "

Progress of what? If my refrigerator's ice machine is working fine and does
exactly what I want and what it is supposed to - now where do I gain getting
a new ice maker? I lose money, have to install/get it installed/risk it not
doing what the other one already did/compatibility issues and since I didn't
need/ask for anything more than what the original one did - anything new it
does wasn't requested in the first place.

If you mean of Microsoft improving the process - it is my opinion they
should *not* offer hardware driver updates for products they do not produce.
Right now many people blame Microsoft for everything that goes wrong with
their Windows computer. They update to Vista and complain that their
scanner isn't compatible, that their video card does not have drivers - and
it must be Microsoft's fault. Even though they did not create the products
that are the trouble point. I think each vendor should update their
products. If they choose to give (pay for the right) some basic driver to
integrate into the base OS (not for upgrading via the built in update
facility) - that's fine. Working right after an install and then updating
is fine. I still hate integrating drivers, personally. hah

Of course - opinions on this vary - you may want Microsoft to take central
control.

> 3) When you try installing a driver that is not MS-certified, you
> get warned *by MS (in its OS)* that you are wrong. Then when you
> install a WHQL-certified driver *using MS Update site*, you are
> told again that you are wrong.

You are not told you are wrong - you are warned that the driver has not been
tested by Microsoft. What stock you put into that is up to you - I put
little stock into it when the product was not created by Microsoft to begin
with - it just so happens I chose to run Microsoft's OS (possibly among
others) on the system that contains said hardware. Since the hardware
manufacturer created said product - I will trust them over Microsoft for
supporting it too.

> 4) And when you notice the incoherence, MS-MVPs not only won't try
> to forward the problem up the ladder to management and developers
> until it gets fixed - but will even chastise you for not worshiping
> MS (staff or MVP-gods or else). Doubt it? see below the incredible
> "lessons" about it, and - cerise sur le gâteau - the final one
> about « Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but
> I wasn't sure "? » (and please don't laugh!).

I don't care about Microsoft one bit. I've said it before - I will say it
over and over. I was doing this long before I was 'awarded' MVP. I will
likely still be doing it if the title is removed. In fact - in order to be
considered for the title - you have to have shown you are willing to help
people in the newsgroups with your own free time and others put you in for
the award. If Microsoft goes away completely - I will probably be in
whatever newsgroup for whatever product that takes its place.

As for my comment - I'm sorry if you don't see the irony in what was said.

> 5) We all should remember that MS MVPs (or other official
> "volunteers") are actually not as volunteer as regular users
> posting here, who OTOH are most often doing so without any reward
> of any sort (e.g. no travel or invitation or free software), even
> without any consideration or indulgence or friendliness or
> understanding their suggestions or even trying to understand them.

Incorrect - see above. I did this for YEARS before I was awarded the
title - I will be doing it for years if the title disappears. MVPs are
still volunteers. Just as much volunteers as anyone else - no different
really. After all - if I stop posting - the next award period - I probably
won't get the award and any benefits I mght have been getting - stop.

> In conclusion I firmly request that MS management re-teaches their
> staff (and "volunteers" of all sorts) about:
>
> - respecting customers' choices and preferences

They can choose as they like - but if you don't learn from incorrect
choices - what's the point? Don't like it phrased that way - how about 'if
you don't know there are more choices - how can you be sure you made the
right choice?' Many people may not know/think about that Microsoft does not
produce the drivers for every product that their product might be installed
upon - that each manufacturer actually produces the drivers for each OS they
want to support their product on.

> - respecting *at all levels* MS statements, like the ones asking
> customers to trust MU and MS-certified drivers (developers' level:
> strive at making everything work as stated; MVPs level: of course
> tell users when things FAIL to work as stated, but don't pretend it
> is right to never trust it)

Respecting a statement is not the same as following it like it was law.
Trust but verify.

I have had positive results with Microsoft Updates for hardware drivers, I
have also had negative results. However - since there is another option
(going to the actual hardware manufacturer for support of the product in
question) - it is my opinion more people would be better off doing that.

> - be modest when facing customers (e.g. never try teaching life to
> them!); remember (as is well known in all mature markets, like
> cars, curtains, food, etc) that the *average* customer is *high
> above* the *average* sales or "support" staff (and even more above
> *average* "volunteers" of all sorts); and this, in education, in
> knowledge, hence accordingly in modesty, politeness, regards to
> others; hence the low-rank-looking customer is *generally* much
> more knowledgeable than he pretends. All this tends to be forgotten
> in immature markets (like IT currently).

It is a personal choice to give advice about whatever here - I volunteer
here, I freely give my advice and expertise in a particular field. Since it
is my choice and this is a public forum - how I choose to reply is my
choice. Those who read it can decide on their own what they should do - I
would ask nothing more. I choose my words very carefully in every answer.
I did not chastise anyone for their choice - I merely stated facts -
allowing the person reading to do their own research based on what I gave
and come to a conclusion. As for 'teaching life to them' - why not? Are
you saying that those reading this will be sheep in all advice and just take
it? People are not lemmings.

> - above all, be true in everything you say.

I am 100% earnest and true in what I say - I recommend HIGHLY against
getting hardware drivers for non-microsoft products from Microsoft Updates.
I have been giving advice here for many years - without and with a title. I
voluntarily do this because I like doing it. I will be who I am when I do
it. Has worked for me all this time... Doesn't mean it might not change a
little here and there - but life is change.

You are welcomed to your opinion. I am welcome to mine. I'm glad you chose
to express yours.

I still feel people would be better off if Microsoft did not offer updates
for products it does not make. If I have trouble with my LawnBoy lawn
mower - I don't call Honda for parts - even if I read somewhere some of them
are interchangeable.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

My offending driver belong to display adapter. do i have still have to
remove ATI along with inter 945 graphic chipset drivers?

"Rich" wrote:

> ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> Installed, reboot and blue screen of death, reboots and blue screens.
> Had to use the Vista DVD repair option to use system restore.
>
> REMOVE THIS UPDATE FROM WINDOWS UPDATE!!!
>
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU ## START ## AU: Search for updates
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU #########
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 dc0 AU <<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates
> [CallId = {269C02BF-C26D-4A8B-8AAD-DD788B554F5A}]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent ** START ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Online = No; Ignore download
> priority = No
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * ServiceID =
> {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from
> GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress
> failed, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:45:21:320 1104 dc0 AU AU received handle event
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 Shutdwn user declined update at shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 AU AU initiates service shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:462 1104 dc0 AU ########### AU: Uninitializing
> Automatic Updates ###########
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent * WARNING: Exit code = 0x8024000B
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent ** END ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent WARNING: WU client failed Searching
> for update with error 0x8024000b
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {3D7C8754-4A61-47CB-8840-8AA93B835039} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:589-0800 1 184 101 {36BCAEF8-144A-40CC-9311-F78F00A614C0} 100 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Installation successful and restart required for the following
> update: ATI Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter
> Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {00C2926C-037F-4F60-AA72-A7DCD9CDB8E5} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:609-0800 1 193 102 {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Restart Required: To complete the installation of the following
> updates, the computer must be restarted. Until this computer has been
> restarted, Windows cannot search for or download new updates: - ATI
> Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service ** END ** Service: Service exit
> [Exit code = 0x240001]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *************
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....windowsupdate

There's a new update supposedly for the problems we are all facing with
Vista....

Intel Corporation driver update for Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family

Installation date: ‎27/‎11/‎2007 10:09 AM

Installation status: Successful

Update type: Recommended

This driver was provided by Intel Corporation for support of Mobile Intel(R)
965 Express Chipset Family

More information:
http://winqual.microsoft.com/support/?driverid=2040

Help and Support:
http://support.microsoft.com/select/?target=hub

........and guess what it didn't help AT ALL!!!!! Nothing's changed.....
NADA.....
i guess they decided to post the update to keep us quiet for like minute or
so..... before we start bithcing about it again!!!! Microsoft makes me wanna
watch the ads posted by Mac on their website & remind myself why did i get a
Vista in the 1st place....

"Rich" wrote:

> ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> Installed, reboot and blue screen of death, reboots and blue screens.
> Had to use the Vista DVD repair option to use system restore.
>
> REMOVE THIS UPDATE FROM WINDOWS UPDATE!!!
>
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU ## START ## AU: Search for updates
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU #########
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 dc0 AU <<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates
> [CallId = {269C02BF-C26D-4A8B-8AAD-DD788B554F5A}]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent ** START ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Online = No; Ignore download
> priority = No
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * ServiceID =
> {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from
> GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress
> failed, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:45:21:320 1104 dc0 AU AU received handle event
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 Shutdwn user declined update at shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 AU AU initiates service shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:462 1104 dc0 AU ########### AU: Uninitializing
> Automatic Updates ###########
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent * WARNING: Exit code = 0x8024000B
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent ** END ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent WARNING: WU client failed Searching
> for update with error 0x8024000b
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {3D7C8754-4A61-47CB-8840-8AA93B835039} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:589-0800 1 184 101 {36BCAEF8-144A-40CC-9311-F78F00A614C0} 100 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Installation successful and restart required for the following
> update: ATI Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter
> Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {00C2926C-037F-4F60-AA72-A7DCD9CDB8E5} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:609-0800 1 193 102 {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Restart Required: To complete the installation of the following
> updates, the computer must be restarted. Until this computer has been
> restarted, Windows cannot search for or download new updates: - ATI
> Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service ** END ** Service: Service exit
> [Exit code = 0x240001]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *************
>
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I have an Acer Aspire laptop. There are 8 GB installed but only 3.75 is usable because ATI PCI Express(3GIO) has reserved the upper 4 GB of RAM and won't release it. Removing it caused problems with video and USB. I'm running Win 7/64. What I do to get use of my reserved memory? This really blows!

> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:17 PM Ric wrote:

> ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> Installed, reboot and blue screen of death, reboots and blue screens.
> Had to use the Vista DVD repair option to use system restore.
>
> REMOVE THIS UPDATE FROM WINDOWS UPDATE!!!
>
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU ## START ## AU: Search for updates
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:258 1104 dc0 AU #########
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 dc0 AU <<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates
> [CallId = {269C02BF-C26D-4A8B-8AAD-DD788B554F5A}]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent ** START ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Online = No; Ignore download
> priority = No
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and
> DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and
> DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"
> 2007-11-15 11:44:36:261 1104 d98 Agent * ServiceID =
> {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: Returning due to error from
> GetDownloadProgressUx, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:44:37:504 1104 c44 AU WARNING: GetInteractiveInstallProgress
> failed, error = 0x8024000C
> 2007-11-15 11:45:21:320 1104 dc0 AU AU received handle event
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 Shutdwn user declined update at shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:461 1104 dc0 AU AU initiates service shutdown
> 2007-11-15 11:45:28:462 1104 dc0 AU ########### AU: Uninitializing
> Automatic Updates ###########
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent * WARNING: Exit code = 0x8024000B
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent ** END ** Agent: Finding updates
> [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent *************
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:935 1104 d98 Agent WARNING: WU client failed Searching
> for update with error 0x8024000b
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {3D7C8754-4A61-47CB-8840-8AA93B835039} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:589-0800 1 184 101 {36BCAEF8-144A-40CC-9311-F78F00A614C0} 100 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Installation successful and restart required for the following
> update: ATI Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter
> Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:33:971 1104 dc0 Report REPORT EVENT:
> {00C2926C-037F-4F60-AA72-A7DCD9CDB8E5} 2007-11-15
> 11:44:35:609-0800 1 193 102 {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0 AutomaticUpdates Success Content
> Install Restart Required: To complete the installation of the following
> updates, the computer must be restarted. Until this computer has been
> restarted, Windows cannot search for or download new updates: - ATI
> Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *********
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service ** END ** Service: Service exit
> [Exit code = 0x240001]
> 2007-11-15 11:45:34:488 1104 dc0 Service *************
>
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> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....windowsupdate


>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:33 PM Davi wrote:

>> Too Late.......
>> Thats 2 laptops having problems...
>>
>> "Rich" wrote:


>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:56 PM realcestmoi wrote:

>>> Hi there, as any a little experienced user knows taking driver updates from
>>> windows update is optional and only recommanded for Microsoft hardware
>>> drivers, other drivers if needed ( if it ain,t broke do not try to fix it)
>>> should be taken from the manufacturers webiste.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michel Denie
>>>
>>> "Rich" <> wrote in message
>>> news5500C21-3796-43D1-9FB5-...


>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:10 PM M wrote:

>>>> I am a very experieced user.. since the Comodore days..
>>>> I accepted the update today and I knocked out the video on my HP Tablet with
>>>> an Intel Video Chipset..
>>>>
>>>> This was the first of my 6 pc's with Vista on it that I updated today and I
>>>> didn't think anything of it when I choose to install it.
>>>> I'm not running an ATI card so it should not have effected my pc..
>>>>
>>>> It's easy to say don't install hardware drivers from MS..
>>>> But these days I tend to rely on the MS drivers on my laptops and tablet.
>>>> They have always run better than when I install 1 year or older drivers from
>>>> the Vender of the laptop.
>>>>
>>>> I do not however install MS drivers on my gaming gear.. but that pc is
>>>> assemebled from parts and throughly researched.
>>>>
>>>> So with that out of the way , shall we discuss the more important thing of
>>>> how to uninstall this update?
>>>> I can not find it anywhere for the unistall.
>>>> I have found all the system updates but not the optional ones.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Michael Evans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> especially
>>>> "realcestmoi" wrote:


>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:40 PM gre wrote:

>>>>> Hi, I just downloaded this and it messed up my screen. How can I get rid of
>>>>> it? Thanks, please email me at .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:36 PM gbaker wrote:

>>>>>> I just (stupidly) installed this update on my HP DV6000 and it has
>>>>>> screwed not only my display, but my USB as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anybody figures out how to back this one out I'd love to hear about
>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:49 PM superraccoon wrote:

>>>>>>> Had the same problem. Fortunately, the solution is fairly simple: Go to
>>>>>>> device manager, open 'System Devices', right-click on the offending
>>>>>>> driver and select 'Uninstall'. Marvel as dozens of drivers will stop
>>>>>>> working... but Windows re-installs them without much of a problem, and
>>>>>>> - in my case - after 2 restarts, the situation was back to normal.
>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:25 PM Da wrote:

>>>>>>>> "greg" wrote:


>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:28 PM Da wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Go to Device Manager, open the “System devices� node, then right click and
>>>>>>>>> Uninstall the “3GIO Filter Driver�. Make sure you click the “Delete the
>>>>>>>>> driver from your system� checkbox. After a few restarts the correct drivers
>>>>>>>>> should be back in use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "greg" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:49 PM M wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dan!
>>>>>>>>>> That was a big help, I hadn't had time to go looking for where the device
>>>>>>>>>> was hiding..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WTF!!! What kind of driver is that.. as soon as I unistalled it it basically
>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled 10 system devices including my mass storage device,usb root hubs
>>>>>>>>>> , wired net adapter, wireless adapter, etc..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All is good now.. but how could MS release a driver like that?
>>>>>>>>>> I've checked 2 of my other Vista machines and it is showing up..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does it not auto detect the hardware and suggest drivers..?
>>>>>>>>>> My tablet has an Intel On Board video so it should not of even show up for
>>>>>>>>>> me to download in theory..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks again..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Dan" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:49 PM andrejmart wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Not all installation fail! I got VIA chip-set and this driver is
>>>>>>>>>>> fitting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My old clunker (custom build Prescott 3.4, 8GB RAM, *) loves this
>>>>>>>>>>> driver. I install driver only if it is applicable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> andrejmart
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> andrejmart
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=853247
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:39 PM Ditc wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been setting up a new Fujitsu U1010 UMPC and after installing a 93Mb
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista Update including the optional items, I found my screen resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped to 800 x 600 & couldn't be budged; I also had a Device problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing in my Display Adaptor suggesting another item was taking away its
>>>>>>>>>>>> resources. I'm glad I stumbled onto this site. I simply went to Device
>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager and System Devices where I found the ATI 3GIO Filter Driver and
>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalled it. After a restart, the monitor resolution is back to 1024 x 600.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One problem remains... Why have I had 2 identical log-in buttons at start-up
>>>>>>>>>>>> since installing the Vista upgrades?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:36 PM ST3V3 K3SL3 wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had the same problme on my Dell XPS200 w/Intel 82945G graphics. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure Why MS downloaded this update to my computer. I don't have an ATI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset, but this errant update really hosed up the computer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to go into Device Manager and remove the ATI PCI Express (3GIO)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Filter Driver ("delete driver files" checked). After several minutes and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of re-boots the system came up and reinstalled all the original
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers (except video).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a disaster! I'm really considering looking at a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 12:38 AM realcestmoi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are missing the point: MS update drivers are in 99% of the case
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> older drivers than the manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your hardware works fine: leave it be working fine, only update if is is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neccasary because the hard ware is not working well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another driver will not make your hardware run 10% faster or better or make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your printer use less ink..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you did not take the commonly spread advice, than try rolling back on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver, system restore or a repair.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ME" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8EE7DF5B-5F3C-4FAC-9854-...


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 1:13 AM PKlamme wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update is a Valuable Service, yes or no?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's part of what we expect we're paying for when we install non-shareware OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I furthermore expect anything from the Windows Update pipeline to be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least benign, if not beneficial; also self-limiting if attempted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my system, (On Windows Vista Home Premium, Acer Aspire AST690-UD214A,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Display adapter = onboard Intel 946GZ Express Chipset Family, ...) onboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display driver was "crowded out" by the ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Device Manager show the Yellow Bang (!) and "resource conflict -- must remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some other device" [inexact wording.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "realcestmoi" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 7:02 AM dan m wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed this update on dell dimension c521 just as i always like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install all updates and it's disabled my usb ports so that my keyboard and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mouse wont work, but they work in bios set up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 8:27 AM Joe wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THOSE BASTARDS GOT ME. WHY did i download that? I knew I didnt need it but I wasnt sure, I gave ms too much trust. Took me hours to figure this out. It disabled my mouse and keyboard. Even when you boot in safemode it still loads this ATIpcie driver. Only way I could find to fix it was to system restore from the windows disk !


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 10:18 AM realcestmoi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go to www.amd.com to get your ati drivers, Microsoft is the wrong place for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an updated driver IF needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 10:20 AM realcestmoi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optional drivers, read the treath and do NOT take any non MS drivers from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows Update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> System restore can be usefull if you did not follow the advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 10:56 AM Shenan Stanley wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realcestmoi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PKlammer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valuable service - yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perfect - no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different people that relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that appear there have to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted to Microsoft by the hardware vendors anyway. They have to pay for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the priviledge to have them placed there. There is also a process through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which the drivers to be placed there have to go through to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'logo'/'certified'. That all takes time. By the time it is done - usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several releases from the manufacturer have passed by - sometimes solving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with that original driver, sometimes just new features, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing major.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for products
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' -> it's usually better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *not* to take the chance. Just because it passed through whatever 'process'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the logo/certification does not mean there are not problems with it -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems that the manufacturer may have found and repaired in later versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the driver that they have chosen not to pay Microsoft to test/certify/put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything else) not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly when you throw in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure number of variables you speak of when talking about computers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing things across millions of them. You can help limit exposure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems a bit by changing the downloads to something more manual where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible or getting the updates manually completely and reading about them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. The suggestions in these newsgroups about hardware drivers have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost always been the same:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might fix something) you are actually having trouble with (or if you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer of said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation or support of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you had an Intel video card, and knew it - why would you download an ATI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver? Especially if it was an optional update and you had to choose to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 1:36 PM jo wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I will definitly do that from now on. However this is clearly a mistake,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an error on their part. Windows update is not meant to offer irrelevant and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downright faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "realcestmoi" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 2:03 PM Shenan Stanley wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realcestmoi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different people that relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that appear there have to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted to Microsoft by the hardware vendors anyway. They have to pay for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the priviledge to have them placed there. There is also a process through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which the drivers to be placed there have to go through to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'logo'/'certified'. That all takes time. By the time it is done - usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several releases from the manufacturer have passed by - sometimes solving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with that original driver, sometimes just new features, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing major.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for products
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' -> it's usually better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *not* to take the chance. Just because it passed through whatever 'process'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the logo/certification does not mean there are not problems with it -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems that the manufacturer may have found and repaired in later versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the driver that they have chosen not to pay Microsoft to test/certify/put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything else) not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly when you throw in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure number of variables you speak of when talking about computers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing things across millions of them. You can help limit exposure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems a bit by changing the downloads to something more manual where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible or getting the updates manually completely and reading about them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. The suggestions in these newsgroups about hardware drivers have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost always been the same:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might fix something) you are actually having trouble with (or if you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer of said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation or support of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one or the other. You cannot "know you don't need" something and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "not be sure"... ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In that case (this is not just computer advice) from now own - I suggest you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research and "be sure" before doing something if your gut is telling you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you don't "need it". ;-) The error here is not __just__ on "their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part" for offering the update - but for those who accepted/installed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional update(s) when they "knew [they] didn't need it". ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 16, 2007 10:17 PM Dollarweed wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Superraccoon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your instructions worked fine on my computer. After folowing your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps I had to reboot my computer 3 times, then presto, everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal again. Again, thanks for posting the computer fix.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollarweed's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=35234
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=853247
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:39 AM allstarrob wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollarweed;3316151 Wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone e-mail me specific instructions how to fix problem (delete)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ATI PCI Express 3GIO FilterDriver update for Vista that effected my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video screen etc.. Much appreciated! send to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=853247
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:07 PM breadbap wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel denie's advice is about as useful as telling some-one not to walk in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the road just after being hit by a car! shenan stanley ( ms-mvp )...it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprise you but most users of computers do not have your knowledge of what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or what not to download and assume (wrongly) that microsoft would not offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates that mess up their customer's computers. I would be quite happy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try going through device manager as suggested by several contributors, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how the hell do I get my mouse to work to allow me to do it????/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Shenan Stanley" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:25 PM realcestmoi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a restore point or roll back on the driver, repair windows, put your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last made image back(up) and stick to the given advice in the future: if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something works well: leave it be working WELL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "breadbaps" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0E281CE4-8C28-48BF-81F5-...


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:45 PM Shenan Stanley wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The conversation (in its entirity):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...nsubject%3AME#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breadbaps wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does not surprise me in the least. If it did - I wouldn't give the advice I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have and; well, "most users of computers" are not going to learn any younger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than they are right now what to look out for. Sometimes lessons come at a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost - hopefully others who are just lurking in these groups might learn it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before they pay that cost. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:49 PM dracotonisamon wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superraccoon is correct but some people will have a slight problem with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proccess. in some cases usb devices such as mice, and\or keyboards will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function at all. with my legacy-free system(one without ps/2 keyboard and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mouse ports, serial ports etc...) i found myself up a river without a paddle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but... i found that my mic still worked so i performed the same proccess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without control devices. so if you so happen to have voice control activated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a working mic you have a way out. but if microsoft never had this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem none of us would be screwed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "superraccoon" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:06 PM antioch wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much appreciated! send to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum, yum - fresh email to spam - not munged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any solutions please do not email but reply in this group for the benefit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antioch


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:52 PM Dave T. wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good advice SS. It should also be noted that MILLIONS of users (like me)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded and installed these updates with no problems. I'm not an MS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lover, but it irks me for people to jolly themselves by claiming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody did something malicious to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave T.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've learned that whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:22 PM melo170 wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to ROOL BACK DRIVER to previous driver. It fixed both my mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PCI and returned my display to normal. I think it was a PCI driver, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only one I could roll back. See windows help, how to restore a driver to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its previous version. The date 11/15/07 should identify. Mel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:21 PM Danny Howel wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Today I also accepted the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ATI Technogies Inc - Other Hardware - ATI PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Update along with the Media Center update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, It's not letting me view my screen saver, Nor is it letting me have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see through effect on Vista, Also, It;s not letting me have the home premium
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme only home basic -.-.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone has any information for me as to how i can fix this problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please email me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Howell


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:24 PM Dollarweed wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally Posted by Dollarweed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Superraccoon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your instructions worked fine on my computer. After folowing your steps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to reboot my computer 3 times, then presto, everything was normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. Again, thanks for posting the computer fix.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allstarrob Can someone e-mail me specific instructions how to fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem (delete) ATI PCI Express 3GIO FilterDriver update for Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that effected my video screen etc.. Much appreciated! send to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vindows Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Go to Device Manager (To access device manager, Go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM & MAINTENANCE/SYSTEM/DEVICE MANAGER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Expand "SYSTEM DEVICES"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Find "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER DRIVER" and delete it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Reboot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Check and make sure "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER" has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it has not, restart at step 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. If it has been deleted, Reboot 1 or 2 more times and then your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer should be OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I give credit to Superraccoon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This worked on my computer but I do not guarantee it will work on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollarweed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollarweed's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=35234
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=853247
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:21 AM Lonestar16 wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dracotonisamond" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mouse, booted up in safe mode, and did a system restore. All was well after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:31 AM antioch wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Danny Howell" <Danny > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7559C9F2-C9E5-47FF-9935-...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silly thing to do - was your GPU broken/not working?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum, yum - another email for my spam collection - reply in this group if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a solution - then it will be for the benefit of ALL and not just one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, that is what newsgroups are for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rgds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antioch


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:50 AM allstarrob wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your referred fix for the probelm worked great tell others! a BIG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THANKS!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allstarrob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allstarrob's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=35275
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=853247
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.techarena.in


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:46 PM Michel Merlin wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Saying =AB relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers should =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *not* be done =BB is essentially denying the very purpose of the =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware section of the MS Update site. What is the purpose of MS Update =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one can't rely on it?=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Saying =AB Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =BB, thus reducing driver update to resuming something that was (or was =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumed) working, is essentially denying any chance of progress or =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. I was strongly against such deny a decade ago; sure facts =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now too often prompt to agree - at least when Microsoft is concerned - =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not always, and anyway this should not be or remain the case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) When you try installing a driver that is not MS-certified, you get =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warned *by MS (in its OS)* that you are wrong. Then when you install a =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL-certified driver *using MS Update site*, you are told again that =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) And when you notice the incoherence, MS-MVPs not only won't try to =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward the problem up the ladder to management and developers until it =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets fixed - but will even chastise you for not worshiping MS (staff or =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MVP-gods or else). Doubt it? see below the incredible "lessons" about =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and - cerise sur le g=E2teau - the final one about =AB Also - what =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "? =BB (and =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please don't laugh!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) We all should remember that MS MVPs (or other official "volunteers") =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are actually not as volunteer as regular users posting here, who OTOH =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are most often doing so without any reward of any sort (e.g. no travel =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or invitation or free software), even without any consideration or =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indulgence or friendliness or understanding their suggestions or even =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to understand them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In conclusion I firmly request that MS management re-teaches their staff =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and "volunteers" of all sorts) about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - respecting customers' choices and preferences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - respecting *at all levels* MS statements, like the ones asking =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customers to trust MU and MS-certified drivers (developers' level: =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strive at making everything work as stated; MVPs level: of course tell =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users when things FAIL to work as stated, but don't pretend it is right =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to never trust it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - be modest when facing customers (e.g. never try teaching life to =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them!); remember (as is well known in all mature markets, like cars, =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtains, food, etc) that the *average* customer is *high above* the =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *average* sales or "support" staff (and even more above *average* =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "volunteers" of all sorts); and this, in education, in knowledge, hence =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accordingly in modesty, politeness, regards to others; hence the =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low-rank-looking customer is *generally* much more knowledgeable than he =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretends. All this tends to be forgotten in immature markets (like IT =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - above all, be true in everything you say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versailles, Sun 18 Nov 2007 21:46:00 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Shenan Stanley <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/eZyIpNIK...TNGP02.phx.gbl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 13:03:43 -0600 (19:03:43 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by many =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different people that relying on the Windows Updates for hardware =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that appear there =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be submitted to Microsoft by the hardware vendors anyway. They =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to pay for the priviledge to have them placed there. There is also =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a process through which the drivers to be placed there have to go =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through to get the 'logo'/'certified'. That all takes time. By the =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time it is done - usually several releases from the manufacturer have =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed by - sometimes solving issues with that original driver, =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes just new features, sometimes nothing major.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' -> it's =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually better *not* to take the chance. Just because it passed through =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever 'process' to get the logo/certification does not mean there are =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not problems with it - problems that the manufacturer may have found and =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repaired in later versions of the driver that they have chosen not to =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay Microsoft to test/certify/put up for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything else) =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly when you throw =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the pure number of variables you speak of when talking about =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers and changing things across millions of them. You can help =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit exposure to problems a bit by changing the downloads to something =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more manual where possible or getting the updates manually completely =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and reading about them first. The suggestions in these newsgroups about =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware drivers have almost always been the same:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you think =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it might fix something) you are actually having trouble with (or if you =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer of =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation or =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support of the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "? It's one or the other. You cannot "know you don't need" something =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then "not be sure"... ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In that case (this is not just computer advice) from now own - I suggest =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you research and "be sure" before doing something if your gut is telling =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you that you don't "need it". ;-) The error here is not __just__ on =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "their part" for offering the update - but for those who =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted/installed the optional update(s) when they "knew [they] didn't =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need it". ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: joe <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/5A360693...8342@microsof=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 10:36:01 -0800 (18:36:01 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I will definitly do that from now on. However this is clearly a =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistake, an error on their part. Windows update is not meant to offer =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant and downright faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: realcestmoi <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23an1HR...TNGP05.phx.gbl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 16:20:50 +0100 (15:20:50 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optional drivers, read the treath and do NOT take any non MS drivers =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from windows Update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> System restore can be usefull if you did not follow the advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <Joe>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 05:27:20 -0800 (13:27:20 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THOSE BASTARDS GOT ME. WHY did i download that? I knew I didnt need it =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I wasnt sure, I gave ms too much trust. Took me hours to figure this =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. It disabled my mouse and keyboard. Even when you boot in safemode =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still loads this ATIpcie driver. Only way I could find to fix it was =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to system restore from the windows disk !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EggHeadCafe - .NET Developer Portal of Choice=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:26 PM Davi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. I used this procedure from "Antioch":
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Go to Device Manager (To access device manager, Go to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM & MAINTENANCE/SYSTEM/DEVICE MANAGER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Expand "SYSTEM DEVICES"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Find "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER DRIVER" and delete it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Reboot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Check and make sure "ATI PCI EXPRESS (3GIO) FILTER" has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it has not, restart at step 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. If it has been deleted, Reboot 1 or 2 more times and then your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer should be OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I couldn't delete that driver, so i did that in other way. I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose "Return driver changes" (I don't know how it is called in English,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I have czech Vista.) Then restart your pc and it should work properly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will help you and solve this big actual problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:37 PM Davi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, None off the above have worked, so what to do...??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "David" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:09 PM realcestmoi wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft does not monitor this all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just take the freely given advice and keep you pc running.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most important: Make backups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michel Merlin" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Saying « relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers should *not*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done » is essentially denying the very purpose of the Hardware section of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the MS Update site. What is the purpose of MS Update if one can't rely on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Saying « Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something », thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reducing driver update to resuming something that was (or was assumed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, is essentially denying any chance of progress or improvement. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strongly against such deny a decade ago; sure facts now too often prompt to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree - at least when Microsoft is concerned - but not always, and anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this should not be or remain the case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) When you try installing a driver that is not MS-certified, you get warned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *by MS (in its OS)* that you are wrong. Then when you install a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL-certified driver *using MS Update site*, you are told again that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) And when you notice the incoherence, MS-MVPs not only won't try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward the problem up the ladder to management and developers until it gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed - but will even chastise you for not worshiping MS (staff or MVP-gods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or else). Doubt it? see below the incredible "lessons" about it, and -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cerise sur le gâteau - the final one about « Also - what did you mean by, "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "? » (and please don't laugh!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) We all should remember that MS MVPs (or other official "volunteers") are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually not as volunteer as regular users posting here, who OTOH are most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often doing so without any reward of any sort (e.g. no travel or invitation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or free software), even without any consideration or indulgence or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendliness or understanding their suggestions or even trying to understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In conclusion I firmly request that MS management re-teaches their staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and "volunteers" of all sorts) about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - respecting customers' choices and preferences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - respecting *at all levels* MS statements, like the ones asking customers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to trust MU and MS-certified drivers (developers' level: strive at making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything work as stated; MVPs level: of course tell users when things FAIL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work as stated, but don't pretend it is right to never trust it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - be modest when facing customers (e.g. never try teaching life to them!);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember (as is well known in all mature markets, like cars, curtains, food,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc) that the *average* customer is *high above* the *average* sales or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "support" staff (and even more above *average* "volunteers" of all sorts);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this, in education, in knowledge, hence accordingly in modesty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politeness, regards to others; hence the low-rank-looking customer is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *generally* much more knowledgeable than he pretends. All this tends to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten in immature markets (like IT currently).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - above all, be true in everything you say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versailles, Sun 18 Nov 2007 21:46:00 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Shenan Stanley <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/eZyIpNIK...TNGP02.phx.gbl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 13:03:43 -0600 (19:03:43 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been explained before - many times - on these newsgroups by many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different people that relying on the Windows Updates for hardware drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should *not* be done. The hardware drivers that appear there have to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted to Microsoft by the hardware vendors anyway. They have to pay for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the priviledge to have them placed there. There is also a process through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which the drivers to be placed there have to go through to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'logo'/'certified'. That all takes time. By the time it is done - usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several releases from the manufacturer have passed by - sometimes solving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with that original driver, sometimes just new features, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing major.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Due to the fact that the driver provided by Microsoft's updates for products
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are non-Microsoft can be older than 'the latest' -> it's usually better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *not* to take the chance. Just because it passed through whatever 'process'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get the logo/certification does not mean there are not problems with it -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems that the manufacturer may have found and repaired in later versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the driver that they have chosen not to pay Microsoft to test/certify/put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft update process is (surprisingly - like everything else) not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Things can and will go wrong - particularly when you throw in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure number of variables you speak of when talking about computers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing things across millions of them. You can help limit exposure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems a bit by changing the downloads to something more manual where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible or getting the updates manually completely and reading about them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. The suggestions in these newsgroups about hardware drivers have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost always been the same:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Don't update hardware drivers unless it fixes something (or you think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might fix something) you are actually having trouble with (or if you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to have the new feature it might have in it.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - When updating hardware drivers - get them from the manufacturer of said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware. If Microsoft had nothing to do with the creation or support of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hardware originally - why trust them for it now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also - what did you mean by, " I knew I didn't need it but I wasn't sure "?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one or the other. You cannot "know you don't need" something and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "not be sure"... ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In that case (this is not just computer advice) from now own - I suggest you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research and "be sure" before doing something if your gut is telling you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you don't "need it". ;-) The error here is not __just__ on "their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part" for offering the update - but for those who accepted/installed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional update(s) when they "knew [they] didn't need it". ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: joe <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/5A360693...@microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 10:36:01 -0800 (18:36:01 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I will definitly do that from now on. However this is clearly a mistake,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an error on their part. Windows update is not meant to offer irrelevant and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downright faulty updates. Defeats the purpose of the program completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: realcestmoi <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23an1HR...TNGP05.phx.gbl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 16:20:50 +0100 (15:20:50 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optional drivers, read the treath and do NOT take any non MS drivers from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows Update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> System restore can be usefull if you did not follow the advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel Denie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <Joe>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri 16 Nov 2007 05:27:20 -0800 (13:27:20 GMT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: THEY GOT ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THOSE BASTARDS GOT ME. WHY did i download that? I knew I didnt need it but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasnt sure, I gave ms too much trust. Took me hours to figure this out. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled my mouse and keyboard. Even when you boot in safemode it still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loads this ATIpcie driver. Only way I could find to fix it was to system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restore from the windows disk !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EggHeadCafe - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:21 PM antioch wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear that - it has worked for a couple of others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just passed it on in the hope it would.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antioch


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:08 AM anki wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My offending driver belong to display adapter. do i have still have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove ATI along with inter 945 graphic chipset drivers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:17 AM Brain Migrain wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a new update supposedly for the problems we are all facing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel Corporation driver update for Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Installation date: ‎27/‎11/‎2007 10:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Installation status: Successful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Update type: Recommended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This driver was provided by Intel Corporation for support of Mobile Intel(R)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 965 Express Chipset Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More information:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://winqual.microsoft.com/support/?driverid=2040
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help and Support:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/select/?target=hub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .......and guess what it didn't help AT ALL!!!!! Nothing's changed.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NADA.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess they decided to post the update to keep us quiet for like minute or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so..... before we start bithcing about it again!!!! Microsoft makes me wanna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch the ads posted by Mac on their website & remind myself why did i get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista in the 1st place....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich" wrote: