Avoid SP2 until bugs are fixed?

Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed?? Although
its a 'critical update' ?
I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003 installed and frequently updated; am
having endless problems installing this service pak, and reading all the
forums has me petrified that I'll end up spending what precious little free
time I have on my home PC scrounging cyberspace for fixes to Windows
dilemmas.

"deej" wrote:

Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed?? Although
its a 'critical update' ?

Excellent question,Deej. The manufacturer's support team of my computer:
Falcon North West, informs me that they have been installling and delivering
systems for about 10 days now WITH the SP2 update with hardly any reported
trouble However, that's brand new computers only. Still, they love Norton
Ghost for system restore but have Litlle praise for Systemworks as it
adversely affects too many Windows XP services. I have been using Norton
Systemworks Pro 2003 for 15 months on two computers with Windows XP Pro and
suggest this: uninstall everything and reinstall Norton Anti-Virus and Ghost
only (if you have it...) There are just too many complications caused by the
other features to put up with. The word on the street is: back up everything,
erase the drive and install Windows XP fresh. Add the updates first, then the
mother board drivers, next the video card drivers and then reinstall all your
other progams. Symantec has a lot to fix on Norton! It's been said that 80%
of Windows problems are cause by two things: video card drivers and anti
virus software. Good Luck.

I have Norton AV 2004, SystemWorks 2003 and Ghost 2003 in
my pc. Service pack installed without issues.

Had a problem with the new WU that was caused by Steganos
Internet Anonym. Uninstalling this program solved the
problem.

The word on the street should be: don't believe in
everything you hear and have your own backups just in case.

>-----Original Message-----
>"deej" wrote:
>
> Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs
are fixed?? Although
> its a 'critical update' ?
>
>Excellent question,Deej. The manufacturer's support team
of my computer:
>Falcon North West, informs me that they have been
installling and delivering
>systems for about 10 days now WITH the SP2 update with
hardly any reported
>trouble However, that's brand new computers only. Still,
they love Norton
>Ghost for system restore but have Litlle praise for
Systemworks as it
>adversely affects too many Windows XP services. I have
been using Norton
>Systemworks Pro 2003 for 15 months on two computers with
Windows XP Pro and
>suggest this: uninstall everything and reinstall Norton
Anti-Virus and Ghost
>only (if you have it...) There are just too many
complications caused by the
>other features to put up with. The word on the street is:
back up everything,
>erase the drive and install Windows XP fresh. Add the
updates first, then the
>mother board drivers, next the video card drivers and
then reinstall all your
>other progams. Symantec has a lot to fix on Norton! It's
been said that 80%
>of Windows problems are cause by two things: video card
drivers and anti
>virus software. Good Luck.
>.
>

SP-2 of today will be exactly the same as SP-2 in several months.
If all you do is wait "until the bugs are fixed" you will most likely
wait forever.
You need to research your particular hardware and software for
possible affects of SP-2.
You should also verify your computer is clean of viruses and spyware.
Otherwise there is no point in waiting since it is very unlikely SP-2
will be changed.

See:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
And:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"deej" <> wrote in message
news:2D3B4B06-2386-42B3-B27C-...
> Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed??
> Although
> its a 'critical update' ?
> I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003 installed and frequently
> updated; am
> having endless problems installing this service pak, and reading all
> the
> forums has me petrified that I'll end up spending what precious
> little free
> time I have on my home PC scrounging cyberspace for fixes to Windows
> dilemmas.

Jupiter, you are probably right that SP-2 will not be changed; however,
there will certainly be more updates coming along. My plan is to wait for
another update or two to appear, then add PS-2 and the newer updates. I
figure that will avoid a some problems. What do you think?

Robert

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> SP-2 of today will be exactly the same as SP-2 in several months.
> If all you do is wait "until the bugs are fixed" you will most likely
> wait forever.
> You need to research your particular hardware and software for
> possible affects of SP-2.
> You should also verify your computer is clean of viruses and spyware.
> Otherwise there is no point in waiting since it is very unlikely SP-2
> will be changed.
>
> See:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
> And:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "deej" <> wrote in message
> news:2D3B4B06-2386-42B3-B27C-...
> > Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed??
> > Although
> > its a 'critical update' ?
> > I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003 installed and frequently
> > updated; am
> > having endless problems installing this service pak, and reading all
> > the
> > forums has me petrified that I'll end up spending what precious
> > little free
> > time I have on my home PC scrounging cyberspace for fixes to Windows
> > dilemmas.
>
>

deej wrote:

> Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed?? Although
> its a 'critical update' ?
> I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003 installed and frequently updated; am
> having endless problems installing this service pak, and reading all the
> forums has me petrified that I'll end up spending what precious little free
> time I have on my home PC scrounging cyberspace for fixes to Windows
> dilemmas.


Review the purpose of why Windows XP SP2 was written and
released by Microsoft. While the general adage is not to
repair anything that is not broken, installing SP2 might
well be determined by whether or not the present Windows
XP system is running optimally with all of the critical
security updates already present and the system itself is
behind its own functioning firewall, anti-virus, and so
forth. If one does not have optimal third-party safety and
security systems already installed in the computer, then
Windows XP SP2 is a requirement...although be selective in
allowing what non-safety/non-security updates to install,
esp. those that may crash applications already in the
computer.

How long do you think MS will continue to provide Security Patches for Sp.1?
I suspect that after 1 year they will dry up because Sp.1 has been
superseded by Sp.2.
Andy

"Ghostrider" <-00-@fitron.142> wrote in message
news:...
>
> deej wrote:
>
>> Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are fixed??
>> Although its a 'critical update' ? I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003
>> installed and frequently updated; am having endless problems installing
>> this service pak, and reading all the forums has me petrified that I'll
>> end up spending what precious little free time I have on my home PC
>> scrounging cyberspace for fixes to Windows dilemmas.
>
>
> Review the purpose of why Windows XP SP2 was written and
> released by Microsoft. While the general adage is not to
> repair anything that is not broken, installing SP2 might
> well be determined by whether or not the present Windows
> XP system is running optimally with all of the critical
> security updates already present and the system itself is
> behind its own functioning firewall, anti-virus, and so
> forth. If one does not have optimal third-party safety and
> security systems already installed in the computer, then
> Windows XP SP2 is a requirement...although be selective in
> allowing what non-safety/non-security updates to install,
> esp. those that may crash applications already in the
> computer.
>

Andrew wrote:

> How long do you think MS will continue to provide Security Patches for Sp.1?
> I suspect that after 1 year they will dry up because Sp.1 has been
> superseded by Sp.2.
Hi

Lifecycle Supported Service Packs
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=lifesupsps

states that WinXP SP1 Pro will be fully supported for 2 years after
the release of SP2, and one year for WinXP SP1 Home.

This means you will get critical security updates for SP1 at least
up to August 2006 (and I would think that this would be relevant
for WinXP SP1 Home as well, as there is very little difference
between Pro and Home in this aspect).


And I would not be surprised if they will release security updates
even longer that that.


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
>> How long do you think MS will continue to provide Security Patches for
>> Sp.1? I suspect that after 1 year they will dry up because Sp.1 has
>> been superseded by Sp.2.
>
> Hi
>
> Lifecycle Supported Service Packs
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=lifesupsps
>
> states that WinXP SP1 Pro will be fully supported for 2 years after
> the release of SP2, and one year for WinXP SP1 Home.
>
> This means you will get critical security updates for SP1 at least
> up to August 2006 (and I would think that this would be relevant
> for WinXP SP1 Home as well, as there is very little difference
> between Pro and Home in this aspect).
>
>
> And I would not be surprised if they will release security updates
> even longer that that.
>
>

Hmmm...interesting way of saying that all post-SP2 security
updates will [continue to] be supportive of SP1. IOW, since
Service Packs are cumulative, SP2 contains all of the SP1
updates and should be backwards compatible. By the same token,
then, post-SP2 updates should continue to be compatible to SP1,
even with the advent of SP3 and so on.

Robert;
You may still wait for something that may never arrive.
Future updates may or may not effect issues relevant to you.

I would suggest research the current product.
If after researching you determine that there are no unresolvable
critical issues for you install SP-2 after preparing the computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Robert" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Jupiter, you are probably right that SP-2 will not be changed;
> however,
> there will certainly be more updates coming along. My plan is to
> wait for
> another update or two to appear, then add PS-2 and the newer
> updates. I
> figure that will avoid a some problems. What do you think?
>
> Robert
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> SP-2 of today will be exactly the same as SP-2 in several months.
>> If all you do is wait "until the bugs are fixed" you will most
>> likely
>> wait forever.
>> You need to research your particular hardware and software for
>> possible affects of SP-2.
>> You should also verify your computer is clean of viruses and
>> spyware.
>> Otherwise there is no point in waiting since it is very unlikely
>> SP-2
>> will be changed.
>>
>> See:
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>> And:
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "deej" <> wrote in message
>> news:2D3B4B06-2386-42B3-B27C-...
>> > Would it be prudent to simply avoid SP2 until the bugs are
>> > fixed??
>> > Although
>> > its a 'critical update' ?
>> > I'm new at computing; have Norton 2003 installed and frequently
>> > updated; am
>> > having endless problems installing this service pak, and reading
>> > all
>> > the
>> > forums has me petrified that I'll end up spending what precious
>> > little free
>> > time I have on my home PC scrounging cyberspace for fixes to
>> > Windows
>> > dilemmas.
>>
>>
>
>