Backup media full

I have a 250 gig backup drive which is now full and my weekly backup is
failing.
the drive I am backing up shows only 133 gig used in properties why has the
back up exceeded the total disk usage i am backing up.
The file structure on backupo drive shows only one backup set dated 2007-08-04
within which are the weekly folders for my backups each of which contains a
varying number of zip files.

I am reluctant to just delete and start over but cannot see a way of
managing backed up data. Any suhhestions would be welcome
--
Jim

When you run Disk Manager, there is an option to remove all but the last
restore point. This also removes all but the most recent backup.

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"PENNISTON_J" <> wrote in message
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> I have a 250 gig backup drive which is now full and my weekly backup is
> failing.
> the drive I am backing up shows only 133 gig used in properties why has
> the
> back up exceeded the total disk usage i am backing up.
> The file structure on backupo drive shows only one backup set dated
> 2007-08-04
> within which are the weekly folders for my backups each of which contains
> a
> varying number of zip files.
>
> I am reluctant to just delete and start over but cannot see a way of
> managing backed up data. Any suhhestions would be welcome
> --
> Jim

My understanding is that the automatic backups are supposed to delet
the oldest backup whenever there is not enough space on the externa
drive to complete the next backup. My experience differs from tha
statement. Backup of files does appear to remove older backups as neede
to make space. The Complete PC Backup and Restore Image does NOT appea
to automatically delete the oldest image to make space on a full o
nearly full drive. There appears to be a lot of discussion about thi
flaw with no clear answers

I cannot promise that I am correct, but here is what I have discovere
through experimentation, trial and error. This is the strategy that
use for managing complete PC backups

Assume that drive 'F' is your external backup device, 'Computer' is th
name of your computer and that your last backup was on 2008-06-15. Ther
will be only one image backup folder named
'F:\WindowsImageBackup\Computer\Backup 2008-06-15 15134323' *note th
'15134323' is a time stamp tick that represents the time of your las
backup, yours will be some other number

For your backup files and folders (not the complete PC backup, bu
files and folders only), these would be found in 'F:\Computer\Backup Se
2007-10-07 093110' (in this case the date is the day the first set o
file backups was taken) inside of this folder will be individual folder
of the form 'Backup Files yyyy-mm-dd tttttttt'. My experience is tha
these files do get deleted (oldest first) when your drive is full
although I don't think you necessarily want to wait for that to happen

Now, my backup strategy is as follows:
- automatic daily backups of files and folders (note these ar
incremental
- automatic weekly complete image backups (note these ar
incremental
- once a week, following the automatic complete image backup
manually delete all but the current 'Backup Files yyyy-mm-dd tttttttt
- once a month, delete the complete image backup and manually run
new complete image backu
Is this backup strategy perfect? No, it is not, but it may meet you
needs as it does mine. It is an economic backup solution and has enable
me to rescue myself upon occasion

One might also want to consider a strategy for permanent archival o
certain files and folders that you wish to keep. If you move files of
your primary drive on to another archive drive (preferrably not the sam
as your backup drive), then you should also consider a backup of th
archive drive. An alternative is to save those "permanent" files an
folders on your primary drive, which is already covered by the backu
strategy. In order to save space on my primary drive, I have gone to th
archive drive model

Comments on improving my backup strategy are welcome, and... perhaps
some might find this a strategy that works for them as well. One o
these days, I'm going to write a script that automates my once a wee
and once a month manual interventions

I hope this helps

Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds o
backups

--
solonfo

-solon fo
"Ancora imparo" (Still I am learning) - Michelangelo

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0500, solonfox <>
wrote:

>
>Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds of
>backups.

Most of the people/messages you see are NOT using that site. What you
are using is nothing more than a cute little web-based bulletin board
that harvests messages from larger sources so that it looks busier and
has more subscribers than it otherwise would.

Why did I say that? Because most people reading your message have no
idea what those tutorials are because they don't see what you see when
they access Usenet.

On Jun 15, 3:25*pm, Nonny <nonnymo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0500, solonfox <gu...@unknown-email.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds of
> >backups.
>
> Most of the people/messages you see are NOT using that site. *What you
> are using is nothing more than a cute little web-based *bulletin board
> that harvests messages from larger sources so that it looks busier and
> has more subscribers than it otherwise would.
>
> Why did I say that? *Because most people reading your message have no
> idea what those tutorials are because they don't see what you see when
> they access Usenet.

Thanks Nonny. My bad. I participate in the forums on that same site
and missed that this particular thread was in the ng. I will be more
cautious in the future. I don't mean to ever use that site for posting
to the ng.

FWIW - the site in question is http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/ and
it appears to be only partially available at the moment, so I'd check
there in a few hours if you're interested.

-solon fox

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT), solon fox
<> wrote:

>On Jun 15, 3:25*pm, Nonny <nonnymo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0500, solonfox <gu...@unknown-email.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds of
>> >backups.
>>
>> Most of the people/messages you see are NOT using that site. *What you
>> are using is nothing more than a cute little web-based *bulletin board
>> that harvests messages from larger sources so that it looks busier and
>> has more subscribers than it otherwise would.
>>
>> Why did I say that? *Because most people reading your message have no
>> idea what those tutorials are because they don't see what you see when
>> they access Usenet.
>
>Thanks Nonny. My bad. I participate in the forums on that same site
>and missed that this particular thread was in the ng. I will be more
>cautious in the future. I don't mean to ever use that site for posting
>to the ng.

You could participate in them just as easily if you had a newsreader
(Windows Mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent... to name just a few). In
fact, you could participate in them and MORE.

>FWIW - the site in question is http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/ and
>it appears to be only partially available at the moment, so I'd check
>there in a few hours if you're interested.

I am aware of that site - and one called "VistaHeads".

Both are a source of irritation to me - and probably to many others on
Usenet (the REAL forum).

"Nonny" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT), solon fox
> <> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 15, 3:25 pm, Nonny <nonnymo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0500, solonfox <gu...@unknown-email.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds of
>>> >backups.
>>>
>>> Most of the people/messages you see are NOT using that site. What you
>>> are using is nothing more than a cute little web-based bulletin board
>>> that harvests messages from larger sources so that it looks busier and
>>> has more subscribers than it otherwise would.
>>>
>>> Why did I say that? Because most people reading your message have no
>>> idea what those tutorials are because they don't see what you see when
>>> they access Usenet.
>>
>>Thanks Nonny. My bad. I participate in the forums on that same site
>>and missed that this particular thread was in the ng. I will be more
>>cautious in the future. I don't mean to ever use that site for posting
>>to the ng.
>
> You could participate in them just as easily if you had a newsreader
> (Windows Mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent... to name just a few). In
> fact, you could participate in them and MORE.
>
>>FWIW - the site in question is http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/ and
>>it appears to be only partially available at the moment, so I'd check
>>there in a few hours if you're interested.
>
> I am aware of that site - and one called "VistaHeads".
>
> Both are a source of irritation to me - and probably to many others on
> Usenet (the REAL forum).

Agreed, along with "cool", "rollseyes", "party" and other cartoon drivel.
..

To reclaim the "lost" whitespace, empty the recycle bin and then defrag the
drive. With it as full as it is you need to use a defragger like Diskeeper
or Perfect Disk. You can download a 15-day trial and use that. I just had
to do that on a 750GB drive and it took about 4 hours with Diskeeper. The
Windows defragger is not going to do that kind of job for you.

"PENNISTON_J" <> wrote in message
news:97910B1B-8A6C-4310-954C-...
>I have a 250 gig backup drive which is now full and my weekly backup is
> failing.
> the drive I am backing up shows only 133 gig used in properties why has
> the
> back up exceeded the total disk usage i am backing up.
> The file structure on backupo drive shows only one backup set dated
> 2007-08-04
> within which are the weekly folders for my backups each of which contains
> a
> varying number of zip files.
>
> I am reluctant to just delete and start over but cannot see a way of
> managing backed up data. Any suhhestions would be welcome
> --
> Jim

On Jun 15, 3:58*pm, Nonny <nonnymo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT), solon fox
>
>
>
>
>
> <solon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 15, 3:25*pm, Nonny <nonnymo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:09:32 -0500, solonfox <gu...@unknown-email.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Also, there are some good tutorials on this site about both kinds of
> >> >backups.
>
> >> Most of the people/messages you see are NOT using that site. *What you
> >> are using is nothing more than a cute little web-based *bulletin board
> >> that harvests messages from larger sources so that it looks busier and
> >> has more subscribers than it otherwise would.
>
> >> Why did I say that? *Because most people reading your message have no
> >> idea what those tutorials are because they don't see what you see when
> >> they access Usenet.
>
> >Thanks Nonny. My bad. I participate in the forums on that same site
> >and missed that this particular thread was in the ng. I will be more
> >cautious in the future. I don't mean to ever use that site for posting
> >to the ng.
>
> You could participate in them just as easily if you had a newsreader
> (Windows Mail, Thunderbird, Forte Agent... to name just a few). *In
> fact, you could participate in them and MORE.
>
> >FWIW - the site in question ishttp://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/and
> >it appears to be only partially available at the moment, so I'd check
> >there in a few hours if you're interested.
>
> I am aware of that site - and one called "VistaHeads".
>
> Both are a source of irritation to me - and probably to many others on
> Usenet (the REAL forum).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Nonny,

Ah well, I don't want to take sides for or against any. I participate
in Usenet through a variety of methods. It is most convenient for me
to access this ng through Google due to what is available to me and
not available based on which network I am using to reach the Internet.
I appreciate the advice, it just isn't the best way for me atm.

When I participate on Usenet, I would prefer not to advertise myself
or my affiliations -- not that a true newsreader client would do that.
All I ask is that the value of my participation be judged by what I
write and not by who I am, what company I may or may not work for, or
what initials may be tacked on to my signature. I'd rather people just
THINK and judge for themselves - as I know that you do.

-solon fox