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Cameron Shaw
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      07-23-2009
I'm attempting to implement a backup scheme. I have 4 Windows Server 2008
Servers with Hyper-V that each have X number of VM's and 1 Window Server
2003 server with Altiris installed.. Through an application called Alitiris
I'm scheduling wbadmin to run on each of the server and backup to a SAN
attached to the Altiris.

Due to some new information I've had to rethink my backup strategy and I'm
trying to get some information.
1) Is Hyper-V configurations included in a system state backup? or do I need
do a backup of the C:\ to get that information?

2)Currently I'm just backing up the data volumes if I want to capture the
systemstate and the data jobs does it have to be two different jobs or can I
combine the backupsystemstate command and the includeE:\ ?

3)From the point of restoration if I do a backup of C: & E: and then the
host dies. Do I just need to re-install the base O/S and the restore will
put all additional apps & settings back?


 
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David Shen [MSFT]
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      07-24-2009
Hello Cameron,

Thank you for posting here.

To answer your question:

Q1) Is Hyper-V configurations included in a system state backup? or do I
need do a backup of the C:\ to get that information?

A1. No, Hyper-V configurations doesn't include in system state backup. To
backup Hyper-V configuration, we may need to add registry key on the parent
partition of Windows Server 2008 to enable Microsoft Hyper-V VSS writers.
Moreover, when we perform a backup of the virtual machines, we must back up
all volumes that host files for the virtual machine. For example, if we are
using the default location for storing virtual machine configuration
(C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Hyper-V\Virtual Machines) yet the VHD is
stored on another volume, we must select both volumes in the backup.

Q2) Currently I'm just backing up the data volumes if I want to capture the
systemstate and the data jobs does it have to be two different jobs or can
I combine the backupsystemstate command and the includeE:\ ?

A2. No. We cannot combine the backupsystemstate command with the include:E:
in the Wbadmin utility. We may need to backup Virtual Machine including
their configuration files and VHD files based on the volume-level.

As I mentioned, when we perform a backup of the virtual machines, we must
back up all volumes that host files for the virtual machine. For example,
if the virtual machine configuration files are stored on the C: volume, and
the virtual machine virtual hard disk (VHD) files are stored on the E:
volume, you must back up both the C: and E: volumes.

Wbadmin start backup -backupTarget:Z: -include:C: E: -vssFull

Q3) From the point of restoration if I do a backup of C: & E: and then the
host dies. Do I just need to re-install the base O/S and the restore will
put all additional apps & settings back?

A3: If the windows system file includes on the C: drive and you have backup
the C: drive and the data E: drive. When the host is crash, you don’t need
to re-install the base O/S and you may try restoring the system from the
backup in the Windows PE.

Recover the Operating System or Full Server
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc755163.aspx

For the detailed steps to backup Hyper-V virtual machine on Windows Server
2008, please refer to the following KB article, you may click the "Fix it"
button to down the msi file and apply it on Windows Server 2008 to add the
registry key for enabling Hyper-V VSS writer.

How to back up Hyper-V virtual machines from the parent partition on a
Windows Server 2008-based computer by using Windows Server Backup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958662

Moreover, please also see the video, it describes more in detailed on how
to backup Hyper-V.

Video: How Do I: Backup Hyper-V with Windows Server Backup?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../dd775213.aspx

You can find more from the ASK Core team blog:

How to enable Windows Server Backup support for the Hyper-V VSS Writer
http://blogs.technet.com/askcore/arc...ble-windows-se
rver-backup-support-for-the-hyper-v-vss-writer.aspx

Hope this can be helpful.

David Shen
Microsoft Online Technical Support

 
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Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
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      07-24-2009
Hello Cameron,

In addition to the excellent information from David, keep in mind if the
VMs are Domin controllers, to use DC aware backup procedures:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...72(WS.10).aspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...16(WS.10).aspx

So no snapshots, images or just copied files are allowed. They will result
in USN rollbacks:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875495

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I'm attempting to implement a backup scheme. I have 4 Windows Server
> 2008 Servers with Hyper-V that each have X number of VM's and 1 Window
> Server 2003 server with Altiris installed.. Through an application
> called Alitiris I'm scheduling wbadmin to run on each of the server
> and backup to a SAN attached to the Altiris.
>
> Due to some new information I've had to rethink my backup strategy
> and I'm
> trying to get some information.
> 1) Is Hyper-V configurations included in a system state backup? or do
> I need
> do a backup of the C:\ to get that information?
> 2)Currently I'm just backing up the data volumes if I want to capture
> the systemstate and the data jobs does it have to be two different
> jobs or can I combine the backupsystemstate command and the includeE:\
> ?
>
> 3)From the point of restoration if I do a backup of C: & E: and then
> the host dies. Do I just need to re-install the base O/S and the
> restore will put all additional apps & settings back?
>



 
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Cameron Shaw
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      07-24-2009
Just so I understand

Q1)I had made the reg mod before, but if I want system state & hyper-v files
(All the actual Virtual Machines are stored on E:\, it's just the hyper-v
config) I need to do a full backup of C: & E:? not just system state.

Q2)This becomes unneeded if I'm doing a full backup "Wbadmin start
backup -backupTarget:Z: -include:C: E: -vssFull"

Q3)I'm still a little shady, I guess what I trying to figure out what the
difference in what is stored with a backup versus an actual image. If all my
disks die or my host O/S becoming completly curropted and I need to do the
recovery listed here:

Recover the Operating System or Full Server
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc755163.aspx

Well all my additional applications & settings be re-applied even though
they are no longer accessible like if I had re-imaged the machine or well I
need re-install say Microsoft SQL Server if I had installed before the
crash.

Thanks,.





"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
news: .com...
> Hello Cameron,
>
> In addition to the excellent information from David, keep in mind if the
> VMs are Domin controllers, to use DC aware backup procedures:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...72(WS.10).aspx
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...16(WS.10).aspx
>
> So no snapshots, images or just copied files are allowed. They will result
> in USN rollbacks:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875495
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>> I'm attempting to implement a backup scheme. I have 4 Windows Server
>> 2008 Servers with Hyper-V that each have X number of VM's and 1 Window
>> Server 2003 server with Altiris installed.. Through an application
>> called Alitiris I'm scheduling wbadmin to run on each of the server
>> and backup to a SAN attached to the Altiris.
>>
>> Due to some new information I've had to rethink my backup strategy
>> and I'm
>> trying to get some information.
>> 1) Is Hyper-V configurations included in a system state backup? or do
>> I need
>> do a backup of the C:\ to get that information?
>> 2)Currently I'm just backing up the data volumes if I want to capture
>> the systemstate and the data jobs does it have to be two different
>> jobs or can I combine the backupsystemstate command and the includeE:\
>> ?
>>
>> 3)From the point of restoration if I do a backup of C: & E: and then
>> the host dies. Do I just need to re-install the base O/S and the
>> restore will put all additional apps & settings back?
>>

>
>



 
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David Shen [MSFT]
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      07-31-2009
Hello,

Thanks to Meinolf for the additional information.

Cameron, I want to see if the information provided was helpful for you?

David Shen
Microsoft Online Technical Support

 
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Cameron Shaw
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      07-31-2009
Yes & No It did answer my questions and I'm much appreciated. Sadly I've
discovered this method of backup probably isn't going to work for me though.
"David Shen [MSFT]" <v-> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Thanks to Meinolf for the additional information.
>
> Cameron, I want to see if the information provided was helpful for you?
>
> David Shen
> Microsoft Online Technical Support
>



 
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