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I got the same problem to Himanshu Gohel and I'm so greatful seeing your useful advices. Now, my disk space increase from 144mb sometimes even 77.5mb(Jesus!) to more than 2gb. Anyway, just wanna say thanks a lot!
Have a great day! JS wrote: You're welcome, sorry I could notreply back sooner but had 3 power 02-Aug-09 You're welcome, sorry I could not reply back sooner but had 3 power outages today, all at unexpected times! Now as to why there are there are so many files in C:\Windows\Installer: You will find a good number of these .MSI files belong to software such as Java, AV Software, Norton Ghost, Microsoft's .NET Framework, File downloaded during a Windows Update session and so on. It would appear that some software will clean up after itself and deletes it is file that were in the C:\Windows\Installer folder. A failed Windows Update will create and leave folders and files behind each time you try to install the update and therefore you could end up with a lot of files taking up disk space. There also could be a lot of orphaned (no longer needed) files. Using the msizap command (msizap g) removes any cached Windows Installer data files that have been orphaned. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com Previous Posts In This Thread: On Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:01 PM Himanshu Gohel wrote: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space Machine info: WinXP Home SP2, IE8, Office 2007, Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Recent spate of updates have made my machine extremely irritable. The first problem I started noticing is that my C: drive kept filling up and running low on disk space. Yes, it was a bad partitioning choice, but I have not managed to correct that error. Anyway I freed up about 1.5Gb to alleviate the low disk space error and I think some more updates did install. Now again today I am down to ~0.5Gb free space. Every time an install fails, it seems the disk space goes down lower and lower. I do not think it is any malware - I keep an eye on running processes and also run MS Forefront Client Security. Second problems is that if I let automatic updates install updates, the machine never shuts down...after a few times and finding that the machine was stuck all night at the "do not shut down your computer" message, I decided to try and install updates one at a time, manually. The .NET framework 2.0-3,.5 update succeed. "Security Update for Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (KB971090)" failed again (see log below). I believe it is running out of disk space again...does it really need more than 0.5Gb to install? Remember I started off with 1.5Gb ... how can I recover all this space that I am losing every day? Thanks, Himanshu 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 1296 afc Agent ************* 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 1296 afc Agent ** START ** Agent: Installing updates [CallerId = MicrosoftUpdate] 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 1296 afc Agent ********* 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 1296 afc Agent * Updates to install = 1 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 2072 c9c COMAPI - Updates to install = 1 2009-08-02 12:32:28:140 2072 c9c COMAPI <<-- SUBMITTED -- COMAPI: Install [ClientId = MicrosoftUpdate] 2009-08-02 12:32:28:156 1296 afc Agent * Title = Security Update for Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (KB971090) 2009-08-02 12:32:28:156 1296 afc Agent * UpdateId = {C1BCDBBD-FD17-4032-9446-2C730A1B7F63}.102 2009-08-02 12:32:28:156 1296 afc Agent * Bundles 1 updates: 2009-08-02 12:32:28:156 1296 afc Agent * {E94C4657-5B14-4D22-A156-84403F74F5A1}.102 2009-08-02 12:32:28:187 1296 afc Handler Attempting to create remote handler process as ASANA\Owner in session 0 2009-08-02 12:32:28:406 1296 afc DnldMgr Preparing update for install, updateId = {E94C4657-5B14-4D22-A156-84403F74F5A1}.102. 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Misc =========== Logging initialized (build: 7.2.6001.788, tz: -0400) =========== 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Misc = Process: C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Misc = Module: C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuaueng.dll 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Handler ::::::::::::: 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Handler :: START :: Handler: Command Line Install 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Handler ::::::::: 2009-08-02 12:36:05:609 592 f80 Handler : Updates to install = 1 2009-08-02 12:36:50:812 592 f80 Handler : WARNING: Command line install completed. Return code = 0x00000663, Result = Failed, Reboot required = false 2009-08-02 12:36:50:812 592 f80 Handler : WARNING: Exit code = 0x8024200B 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 592 f80 Handler ::::::::: 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 592 f80 Handler :: END :: Handler: Command Line Install 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 592 f80 Handler ::::::::::::: 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 1296 cb4 DnldMgr *********** DnldMgr: New download job [UpdateId = {A9E325EF-3002-4D74-9CC4-2CE1967678FB}.101] *********** 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 1296 cb4 DnldMgr Regulation: {7971F918-A847-4430-9279-4A52D1EFE18D} - Update A9E325EF-3002-4D74-9CC4-2CE1967678FB is "PerUpdate" regulated and can NOT download. Sequence 1528 vs AcceptRate 0. 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 1296 cb4 DnldMgr * Update is not allowed to download due to regulation. 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 1296 cb4 DnldMgr *********** DnldMgr: New download job [UpdateId = {C89B9346-9511-4C47-8C45-EBC21CE363F3}.101] *********** On Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:38 PM JS wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space JDiskReport: http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/ Shows space usage by folder and also list 50 largest files. Then use Windows 'Disk Cleanup' to create more space on your C: drive. Description of the Disk Cleanup Tool in Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312 Also take a look at CCleaner as a tool to remove Internet history info, cookies, temp files, auto complete and other junk. Note that when CCleaner is first installed most if not all the options are checked which is far too aggressive. So I recommend unchecking all the items listed in 'Applications' tab and in the 'Windows' tab selectively place a check mark for only those options that are of some value in increasing the amount of free space on your PC. The 'Analyze' button allows you preview (without actually deleting) what and how much hard drive space you will get back. Also available is customization, see Options/Custom to add any other/additional folders you want files deleted from. http://www.ccleaner.com/ Next: Empty the Recycle Bin. If you recently installed Windows XP Service Pack 3: Look for an odd folder name which is located here C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\cf8ec753e 88561d..........\ Note: the apparent random set of letter and number may vary from my example above but whatever the name is, it will be more than 600MB in size and can be safely deleted. You may also see a number of other folders or files located in the: C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\ directory They also can be deleted. You can also free up more disk space by reducing the number of 'System Restore' points: Select Start/Control Panel/System, then in the System Properties window click on the System Restore tab. Next select the drive letter where Windows is installed (usually C  ,Then click on the Setting button Now in the Drive Settings window move the Disk space usage slider to the left to reduce the amount of drive space System Restore points will use. This will remove some of the older restore points and free up some space. Disable Hibernation and delete hiberfil.sys file (If you have it enabled): http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/1...-xp-and-vista/ and: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...hibernate.mspx and: http://www.softwarepatch.com/tips/hiberfil-sys-xp.html If you are using IE7 and then installed SP3 read the info below. IE7 users will find the folders listed below on their hard drive: $NtServicePackUninstallIDNMitigationAPIs$ $NtServicePackUninstallNLSDownlevelMapping$ They are needed to uninstall IE7. However, if you installed IE7 and then installed XP SP3 you can no longer uninstall IE7 and these folders can also be deleted. Note: The recommended procedure before installing XP SP3 is to uninstall IE7 or IE8, then install XP SP3. Now you still have the ability to install and uninstall IE7 or IE8. Next if you still need more space: Remove the files used to uninstall updates to Windows These folders and associated files in these folders are safe to remove, however once deleted you will no longer be able to un-install a patch or update that was associated with the deleted folder/files. I would keep the most recent set (last two months just in case) of folders and delete the older updates. As a safety net I burned these folders to a CD before deleting them. These files are located in the Windows folder and have folder names like $NtUninstallKBXXXXXX$. They are hidden folders so enable viewing of hidden files in Windows Explorer. Warning: One folder you should not delete is: $hf_mig$ Also See the following web pages on this issue: http://www.pagestart.com/ntuninstall.html http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm You can reduce the size of the Internet Explorer Disk Cache: How and Why to Clear Your Cache: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...learcache.mspx Just follow the instructions but instead of increasing the size (as stated in the article) decrease it. Finally: Check the Recycle Bin one more time and empty it if necessary as some of those files you deleted in the steps mentioned above may find there way into the recycle bin. If you have more than one partition or drive then: How to Change the Default Location of Mail and News Folders: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307971/en-us Change the Default Location of the My Documents Folder (Example: move it to the D drive) See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310147 Also: http://www.techsupportalert.com/how_..._documents.htm How to move the Spool folder in Windows XP On Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM Shenan Stanley wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space Himanshu Gohel wrote: <snipped> Clear up as much space as possible first - using these instructions (and by moving as much stuff as you can out of your "My Documents" and "Desktop" <- the usual culprits --> to some external storage): If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed... http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm ( Particularly of interest here - #4 ) ( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm ) You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files".. How to use Disk Cleanup http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312 You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you do not use it.. When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you do not use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps: - Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings, Control Panel, and click Power Options). - Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the "System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab does not delete the hiberfil.sys file. - Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file. You can control how much space your System Restore can use... 1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. 2. Click the System Restore tab. 3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on the "Settings" button. 4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...) 5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again. You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize... Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a size between 64MB and 128MB.. - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer. - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options. - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the following: - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK) - Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right now.) - Click OK. - Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents" (the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10 minutes or more.) - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet Explorer. You can use an application that scans your system for log files and temporary files and use that to get rid of those: Ccleaner (Free!) http://www.ccleaner.com/ Other ways to free up space.. On Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:31 PM H Gohel wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space Hello JS & Shenan: Thanks for the detailed disk clean-up options. Although I did not specify in my post, I have done almost everything you recommended (details below). One thing I had not done yet, is remove the $NtUninstallKBXXXXXX$ folders from the Windows directory. That freed up another 300MBGB of disk space. More importantly, I downloaded JDiskReport that you suggested, and I liked the Top-50 largest files report that it gave me. It validated my suspicion that Windows update is to blame for the recent disk-full episodes. In particular this what I found: 1. Two copies of a 455MB patch(?) dated Dec 7, 2006. Files are named "ba08cb.msp" and "1770e67.msp" in C:\Windows\Installer. Are these safe to delete? This is a total of 900MB! 2. FOUR copies of the recent Visual Studio 2005 patch 282MB (remember this is the one that kept failing installation): One in C:\Windows\Temp\ZNWAD, C:\Windows\Temp\ZNW5A, and two in C:\Windows\Installer, named "40064d.msp" and "139aebc.msp" This is a total of 1.05GB! 3. Two *more* copies of the VS2005 patch, but of a different size, 249MB each, in C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download\Install and C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download. Total is 500MB. Again, are these safe to delete? 4. "14831f.msp" 219MB from Oct 14, 2007 in C:\Windows\Installer. All these together would free up about 2.75GB of disk space on my C driver. So are these files safe to delete and then try the installations again? About the other things you suggested: * Disk clean runs weekly on my PC and except for compressing old files, I allow it to clean up mostly everything else * Explorer is set to show all hidden files & folders and there are no particularly large or unexpected files that I can see. * Recycle bin is almost always empty. * My system is WinXP SP2, so SP3 suggestion not yet applicable * System Restore is completely turned off on all disks * All users' IE & Firefox cache sizes are very limited - almost the first thing I do when I set up a new account on the system * Office MSO cache was just recently deleted by my, which freed up about 300MB or so. Thanks, Himanshu On Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:46 PM Shenan Stanley wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space <snip> H Gohel wrote: First - I would do this: Download/install this... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 After installing, do the following: Start button --> RUN --> type in: "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Installer Clean Up\msizap.exe" g! --> Click OK. (The quotation marks and percentage signs and spacing should be exact.) Then - check again for the files you found with JDiskReport and the answers are below (the safest way of getting rid of the garbage is above - if still there after doing the above, take the following answers.) 1) Yes - delete away. 2) Yes - delete away. 3) Yes - delete away. 4) Yes - delete away. I would still follow my advice about installing the latest Windows Installer and Windows Update as well as resetting your Windows Update components afterwards. Then - after doing all that - with the associated reboots - visit the web page version of Windows Updates and do a customer installation. SP3 suggestion is to *install* SP3. ;-) -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html On Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:48 PM Himanshu Gohel wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space Shenan Stanley wrote: ( list of duplicate msp files deleted ) Shenan, Thanks for the suggestion - I followed your instructions and just running that cleaned up the disk and freed up almost 2Gb on the drive. So I now have Windows installer 4.5, and because of the fiasco with the automatic updates, last two-three days I have been going to the web page & attempting updates. It has not prompted me to download anything new, so I assume I do have the latest Windows update. What did all this get me? Armed with 2.21Gb of free space, I first installed "Security Update for Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (KB971090)" via the web page. Free space at one point went down to 0.85Gb, then completed install, and showed 1.22Gb. After a reboot it showed 1.47Gb free space. This patch apparently chewed up 800MB of disk space. Next I installed Office 2007 SP2 using a downloaded exe I had from MSDN. During installation free space went way down to 263MB at one point, then after install it came back up to 1.2Gb, and after reboot it is showing 1.16Gb down from the previous reboot at 1.47Gb. So Office SP2 chewed up about 400MB of disk space. Lesson learned - with major patches/service packs like this, 2Gb seems like the minimum free-space requirement although with automatic updates one would not find that out. I cannot afford to kill this machine like SP3 did with another PC I had so I'd like to leave well-enough alone! Topic for another thread though. Thanks JS and Shenan for your help. -- Himanshu On Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:19 PM PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: Why isn't WinXP SP3 installed yet? Why is not WinXP SP3 installed yet? About IE7 & IE8 and Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx I suppose that might answer my question: The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311 You receive error messages if there is insufficient free disk space on the system drive to install the Windows XP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956894 How to reclaim disk space on a Windows XP-based computer that has a hard disk capacity of 4 GB or less http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956324 Error message when you try to install Windows XP SP3: "You do not have enough free disk space on %SystemDrive% to archive the uninstall files" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949375 Before installing SP3, you might want to see http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm The reference to Regulation in the log suggests otherwise. See... Updates are not downloaded or the "Automatic Updates" icon does not display the status of downloads when you enable the Automatic Updates service http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/910340 You may be able install the updates via Windows/Microsoft Update website (WinXP): Understand that by doing so, you are pushing all other Automatic Updates users further back in the queue (which may explain, at least in part, why Automatic Updates has not brought them in for you yet). If you have any problem installing KB971090, see the "How to obtain help" section of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971090 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 Himanshu Gohel wrote: On Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:14 PM Himanshu Gohel wrote: My issue has been resolved, and the cause was clearly low disk space. My issue has been resolved, and the cause was clearly low disk space. I have posted that in a separate thread, but I'd like to thank you for your suggestions and am providing some responses below: PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: I alluded to this in my other post, but at this point I think this is not the cause of the disk-full and security patches not being applied successfully, so I will leave it for later. I do not believe that WinXP SP3 is being applied - I have asked Windows Update to not apply SP3 and not remind me about it. The three sets that were being applied were the .NET framework security update, the VS2005 SP1 security update and Office 2007 SP2. The VS2005 SP1 security patch was the most troublesome. In the end my guesstimate says this required about 1.5Gb of free disk space to install, and 800Mb of permanent disk space, which was was not available when the patch installation was failing. I am not sure I completely understand this KB, but I believe the references to regulation in my windows update log are outside the start/end markers for the VS2005 security update patch. Specifically for the VS2005 update failure the error code was: 2009-08-02 12:36:50:812 592 f80 Handler : WARNING: Command line install completed. Return code = 0x00000663, Result = Failed, Reboot required = false 2009-08-02 12:36:50:812 592 f80 Handler : WARNING: Exit code = 0x8024200B 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 592 f80 Handler ::::::::: 2009-08-02 12:36:50:843 592 f80 Handler :: END :: Handler: Command Line Install This failed too, until I cleared 2.2Gb of disk space on the C drive and then the patch was installed. Thanks again for your suggestions. -- Himanshu On Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:11 PM PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: Re: WinXP recent updates don't succeed...eats up disk space You may wish to reconsider: If SP3 is not installed by early next year, the SP2 computer will not be offered any further critical security updates. Soon after that, you will not even be able to access/use Windows Update website without SP3 installed. If SP3 is installed, critical security updates will continue into 2014. WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx Back on-topic... While disk space may have been an issue, the 0x8024200B error in the section of the log you posted was most definitely pointing to the "Update is not allowed to download due to regulation" reference just below (and 30 milliseconds after) it. Himanshu Gohel wrote: <paste> On Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:12 PM JS wrote: You're welcome, sorry I could notreply back sooner but had 3 power You're welcome, sorry I could not reply back sooner but had 3 power outages today, all at unexpected times! Now as to why there are there are so many files in C:\Windows\Installer: You will find a good number of these .MSI files belong to software such as Java, AV Software, Norton Ghost, Microsoft's .NET Framework, File downloaded during a Windows Update session and so on. It would appear that some software will clean up after itself and deletes it is file that were in the C:\Windows\Installer folder. A failed Windows Update will create and leave folders and files behind each time you try to install the update and therefore you could end up with a lot of files taking up disk space. There also could be a lot of orphaned (no longer needed) files. Using the msizap command (msizap g) removes any cached Windows Installer data files that have been orphaned. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice SharePoint - Managing Unused or Archive sites automatically http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...aging-unu.aspx |
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