blocking sender options?

The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to have
any effect in my WLM client.
I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains, but
they keep arriving.
Why is that?

If you are talking about blocking in your ELM 2009 or 2011 then the
answer is "you can't" because all you can do is to filter them out into
your trash or somewhere else.

If you want to delete them completely before reaching your mail box then
you need to go your webmail account and then do it from there. For
example in hotmail you can block the entire domain like @mydomain.info.
So if someone called send you a mail then his
mail won't reach your mail box.

hth


Alsenor wrote:
> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to have
> any effect in my WLM client.
> I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains,
> but
> they keep arriving.
> Why is that?

Use message rules and either Delete it & Stop Processing More Rules to
send to Deleted Items, or Delete it and you will never see it at all.

To block a domain, create a Message Rule:

Where the from line contains people
Delete it and Stop processing more rules (or Delete it from the server)
Click on Contains People and Add the domain. Ex: @yahoo.com.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA


"Alsenor" <> wrote in message
news:eNnkp.278$...
> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to
> have
> any effect in my WLM client.
> I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains,
> but
> they keep arriving.
> Why is that?

Pop3 account or Hotmail account ?
Signing on with a Live ID in WLM ?



--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"Alsenor" wrote in message news:eNnkp.278$...

The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to have
any effect in my WLM client.
I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains,
but
they keep arriving.
Why is that?

I am aware of programming message rules, and have done that in previous mail
clients, like OE.
However, what the heck are the junk mail icon options ( "add sender to
blocked sender list", and "add sender's domain to...:") good for?
Would one not have reason to believe that this actually works?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message news:imt3r5$8m3$...

Use message rules and either Delete it & Stop Processing More Rules to
send to Deleted Items, or Delete it and you will never see it at all.

To block a domain, create a Message Rule:

Where the from line contains people
Delete it and Stop processing more rules (or Delete it from the server)
Click on Contains People and Add the domain. Ex: @yahoo.com.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA


"Alsenor" <> wrote in message
news:eNnkp.278$...
> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to have
> any effect in my WLM client.
> I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains,
> but
> they keep arriving.
> Why is that?

Those options first and foremost are intended for synchronization and use
with a Hotmail account setup using the DeltaSync protocol (http) when that
same Hotmail account Live ID is signed on to Windows Live in WLM. Doing so
yields the best performance by ensuring that the safe and block senders
list are common between the local client and the web UI (+ changes made in
either are sync'ed to ensure commonality).

I.e. It's 'Live' mail. The ability to setup pop3 and IMAP accounts are
secondary as well as the performance/settings found on the Safety Options.
Also related, unlike Outlook, there are no updates to the WLM Junk Filter.

If using Pop3 or IMAP and not Hotmail...for best results configure your
junk settings in your account providers web interface to ensure junk is not
delivered to your web Inbox and downloaded to the account in WLM.


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"Alsenor" wrote in message news:1nrkp.3239$...

I am aware of programming message rules, and have done that in previous
mail
clients, like OE.
However, what the heck are the junk mail icon options ( "add sender to
blocked sender list", and "add sender's domain to...:") good for?
Would one not have reason to believe that this actually works?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message news:imt3r5$8m3$...

Use message rules and either Delete it & Stop Processing More Rules to
send to Deleted Items, or Delete it and you will never see it at all.

To block a domain, create a Message Rule:

Where the from line contains people
Delete it and Stop processing more rules (or Delete it from the server)
Click on Contains People and Add the domain. Ex: @yahoo.com.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA


"Alsenor" <> wrote in message
news:eNnkp.278$...
> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to
> have
> any effect in my WLM client.
> I have repeatedly chosen to block junk mailers addresses and/or domains,
> but
> they keep arriving.
> Why is that?

Alsenor wrote:

> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to
> have any effect in my WLM client. I have repeatedly chosen to block
> junk mailers addresses and/or domains, but they keep arriving.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...0?dmode=source

> Why is that?

Oh, you thought spammers were good netizens in always using their same
true e-mail address. Uh huh. How can you block on an ever changing
value? Blocking on an e-mail address won't work against spam.

Don't assume that I am a naïve newcomer to this stuff.
I can easily see what the address or domain of a sender is.
I also know that I can block anyone at my own domain mailbox.
But WLM promises a simpler, quicker method by offering the junk mail icon.

"VanguardLH" wrote in message news:imtq62$t19$...

Alsenor wrote:

> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to
> have any effect in my WLM client. I have repeatedly chosen to block
> junk mailers addresses and/or domains, but they keep arriving.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...0?dmode=source

> Why is that?

Oh, you thought spammers were good netizens in always using their same
true e-mail address. Uh huh. How can you block on an ever changing
value? Blocking on an e-mail address won't work against spam.

Furthermore, in >junk icon>safety options>blocked senders, below the window
of blocked senders there is a check boxes under "When I click 'Delete and
block':" offering "Bounce the blocked messages back to sender". However, I
can't find anywhere to click "Delete and block" in WLM!

"Alsenor" wrote in message news:VEukp.3335$...

Don't assume that I am a naïve newcomer to this stuff.
I can easily see what the address or domain of a sender is.
I also know that I can block anyone at my own domain mailbox.
But WLM promises a simpler, quicker method by offering the junk mail icon.

"VanguardLH" wrote in message news:imtq62$t19$...

Alsenor wrote:

> The blocking sender or blocking sender's domain options don't seem to
> have any effect in my WLM client. I have repeatedly chosen to block
> junk mailers addresses and/or domains, but they keep arriving.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...0?dmode=source

> Why is that?

Oh, you thought spammers were good netizens in always using their same
true e-mail address. Uh huh. How can you block on an ever changing
value? Blocking on an e-mail address won't work against spam.

Alsenor wrote:

> Furthermore, in >junk icon>safety options>blocked senders, below the window
> of blocked senders there is a check boxes under "When I click 'Delete and
> block':" offering "Bounce the blocked messages back to sender". However, I
> can't find anywhere to click "Delete and block" in WLM!

The bounce feature in any e-mail client is very stupid and irresponsible
primarily because ignorant users will actually believe the software
author is providing an appropriate feature and that it will somehow it
will avoid further spam. Spammers do not use their own e-mail address.
Instead they use a bogus one (which may be a valid e-mail address for
some user) or they use one that they've already stolen and is often
included in the recipient list of e-mail addresses. Spammers change
their e-mails every time they spew so blocking on the one they used last
time won't eliminate getting their crap when they next spew. Spammers
rely on the ignorance of e-mail users that believe using blacklists
and/or bouncing by the sender's claimed e-mail address has any effect on
reducing received spam.

- Blocking by the sender's e-mail will NOT eliminate spam in your
mailbox. The spammer's e-mail address changes at their will.

- Bouncing based on the return-path headers in an e-mail will NEVER hit
the spammer. Only boobs think the spammer will identify themself.

YOU are not connected during the mail session between the sending and
receiving mail servers so you have absolutely no means to guarantee of
knowing from the return-path headers (e.g., From or Reply-To) as to who
sent you. The sender can put anything they want in there. Even mail
servers that first accept a message, end the mail session with the
sending mail host, and then check afterward if the e-mail address is
valid or not and then try to send a *new* message back to the sender
will get it wrong. If a valid IP address of the sender is included in a
Received header, that does NOT provide you with an e-mail address to
which you can bounce back their spam. You cannot rely on the
return-path headers to guarantee identifying the true sender. These
bounces are sent blind!

The spammer isn't going to identify themself to receive that bounce. Now
consider that only aren't you the receiving mail server but you are even
further removed from the mail session between the sending and receiving
mail hosts. There is nothing in your e-mail client that can absolutely
guarantee who is the sender of the spam you got in your Inbox, so
bouncing it anywhere means wasting bandwidth for you to send the bounce,
disk space and bandwidtch by your mail server to attempt to deliver your
bounce, disk space and CPU cycles for the receiving mail host to accept
your bogus bounce mail, and some innocent getting slapped with your
misdirected bounce (which, by the way, can be reported to blacklists as
backscatter and get you blacklisted).

Think about it for all of 10 seconds, if even that long. Would you like
to be the victim of a "mail bombing" because some spammer usurped your
e-mail address, sends out a million copies of their crap with you
identified as the sender, and then all those boobs using e-mail clients
with a bounce option end up filling your mailbox with all their
misdirected bounces?

Any e-mail client that provides a bounce option are irresponsible
software authors. Ignorant users sending misdirected bounces are
irresponsible e-mail users. Have a read at:

http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-...atter-fake.htm
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm

Warning: If you send me backscatter, like misdirected bounces which to
me are unsolicited and hence spam, I will report you to blacklists, like
at SpamCop, for your irresponsible and ignorant use of flawed anti-spam
schemes. If you punish me with your backscatter, I will punish you! I'm
not the only one with this attitude. There are plenty of spam reporters
out there and they will report you, too. It is not up to the rest of us
to placate your sensitivity for your spam problem by being your victim.
Get a responsible anti-spam solution.