'BOOT FAILURE' new HD Or Vista?

Ok here is the spec lowdown;

I have an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Mobo with 1016 Bios, 4600+ X2, 2GBs of
some HQ matched pair Cosair ram, 7600GT & an Audigy 2 platinum ex
PSU is a 700w FSP
I have now 3 SATA hard drives - one Seagate 400GB with XP on it, one
Seagate 500GB with Vista HP on it & a 250GB WD drive that is a non
bootable drive.
I also have 3 IDE drives - x2 Maxtor 120's & one Maxtor 250
No RAID configurations
No boot manager in place, OS installs are separate to one another
AFAIK, i'm aware of the volsnap.sys issue, but seeing as that only
affects shadow/restore points of which i never use, i dont see that
being a problem (?)

Current spec is rock solid, no BSODs or crashes etc under XP

Installed Vista, rebooted several times like it said and all was well,
enjoyed Aero some got Truecrypt installed and NOD32, ran through
some windows updates/drivers and rebooted like asked
Abruptly recieved 'BOOT FAILURE PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISK'

Rebooted Again with same result. Then i rebooted into XP and ran
HD-TUNE on The 500GB with a full scan and all came up green. SMART had
highlighted some 'issues' according to HD-TUNEs own util, but stats to
my other Seagate were similar and that has been running fine ever
since i installed it early summer.

Powered off and changed SATA cable on Vista driver and plugged into
different slot - booted into vista just fine. Hooray! figured it was
just a dodgy cable but after rebooting another time it switched
back.

Popped in Vista DVD and went to repair option. Ran the auto check
option and it said all was well. Read the log for this and it
supposedly confirms the boot record/MBR/Whatever is absolutely fine :|

Shutdown for the night! Next morning powered back up and was greeted
with the BOOT FAILURE issue (was thinking it was a cold/warm boot
sorta issue till this point). Booted into XP and ran the seagate tests
online with the 500GB'er. All 3 SMART/Short/Extended tests come up as
100% fine :|

AFAIK all these SATA drives are SATA-II. This shouldnt cause me any
issue should it? I have ASAKA latch cables to them all, though i have
tried an ASUS supplied cable on the vista drive to no avail.

Anything i could be missing?!? :O or is it time to RMA?

I have also tried the beta 1805 bios which includes a firmware update
to the SATA chipset. After reinstalling and a reboot after the sound
drivers later it reverted to the same stage again

In terms of software i am installing Truecrypt, NOD32 and the Creative
Drivers. In the first instance i had gotten nod32 and truecrypt on
fine, but after a subsequent boot it failed. on the second
installation i had only gotten the Creative Drivers in before it
failed once more.

I don't know what Trucrypt and Nod 32 are, Have you tried reinstalling Vista
without adding them?

"krootbert" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Ok here is the spec lowdown;
>
> I have an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Mobo with 1016 Bios, 4600+ X2, 2GBs of
> some HQ matched pair Cosair ram, 7600GT & an Audigy 2 platinum ex
> PSU is a 700w FSP
> I have now 3 SATA hard drives - one Seagate 400GB with XP on it, one
> Seagate 500GB with Vista HP on it & a 250GB WD drive that is a non
> bootable drive.
> I also have 3 IDE drives - x2 Maxtor 120's & one Maxtor 250
> No RAID configurations
> No boot manager in place, OS installs are separate to one another
> AFAIK, i'm aware of the volsnap.sys issue, but seeing as that only
> affects shadow/restore points of which i never use, i dont see that
> being a problem (?)
>
> Current spec is rock solid, no BSODs or crashes etc under XP
>
> Installed Vista, rebooted several times like it said and all was well,
> enjoyed Aero some got Truecrypt installed and NOD32, ran through
> some windows updates/drivers and rebooted like asked
> Abruptly recieved 'BOOT FAILURE PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISK'
>
> Rebooted Again with same result. Then i rebooted into XP and ran
> HD-TUNE on The 500GB with a full scan and all came up green. SMART had
> highlighted some 'issues' according to HD-TUNEs own util, but stats to
> my other Seagate were similar and that has been running fine ever
> since i installed it early summer.
>
> Powered off and changed SATA cable on Vista driver and plugged into
> different slot - booted into vista just fine. Hooray! figured it was
> just a dodgy cable but after rebooting another time it switched
> back.
>
> Popped in Vista DVD and went to repair option. Ran the auto check
> option and it said all was well. Read the log for this and it
> supposedly confirms the boot record/MBR/Whatever is absolutely fine :|
>
> Shutdown for the night! Next morning powered back up and was greeted
> with the BOOT FAILURE issue (was thinking it was a cold/warm boot
> sorta issue till this point). Booted into XP and ran the seagate tests
> online with the 500GB'er. All 3 SMART/Short/Extended tests come up as
> 100% fine :|
>
> AFAIK all these SATA drives are SATA-II. This shouldnt cause me any
> issue should it? I have ASAKA latch cables to them all, though i have
> tried an ASUS supplied cable on the vista drive to no avail.
>
> Anything i could be missing?!? :O or is it time to RMA?
>
> I have also tried the beta 1805 bios which includes a firmware update
> to the SATA chipset. After reinstalling and a reboot after the sound
> drivers later it reverted to the same stage again
>
> In terms of software i am installing Truecrypt, NOD32 and the Creative
> Drivers. In the first instance i had gotten nod32 and truecrypt on
> fine, but after a subsequent boot it failed. on the second
> installation i had only gotten the Creative Drivers in before it
> failed once more.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:06:59 -0800, "JW" <> wrote:

>I don't know what Trucrypt and Nod 32 are, Have you tried reinstalling Vista
>without adding them?

>

Truecrypt (www.truecrypt.org) is effectively an open source Bitlocker
and NOD32 is a vista fully compatible viral scanner.

It could well always be the beta sound drivers, but i have yet to find
a single post with any kind of boot issues on the Creative Vista
forums as of yet. I might try installing without any other software
and rebooting a few times to see if it holds up

At what point did you receive the BOOT FAILURE message? Was it before or
after the Windows boot manager loads. It sounds like a BIOS error message
during the POST. If this is the case it is a hardware issue and nothing to
do with Windows or drivers.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"krootbert" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Ok here is the spec lowdown;
>
> I have an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Mobo with 1016 Bios, 4600+ X2, 2GBs of
> some HQ matched pair Cosair ram, 7600GT & an Audigy 2 platinum ex
> PSU is a 700w FSP
> I have now 3 SATA hard drives - one Seagate 400GB with XP on it, one
> Seagate 500GB with Vista HP on it & a 250GB WD drive that is a non
> bootable drive.
> I also have 3 IDE drives - x2 Maxtor 120's & one Maxtor 250
> No RAID configurations
> No boot manager in place, OS installs are separate to one another
> AFAIK, i'm aware of the volsnap.sys issue, but seeing as that only
> affects shadow/restore points of which i never use, i dont see that
> being a problem (?)
>
> Current spec is rock solid, no BSODs or crashes etc under XP
>
> Installed Vista, rebooted several times like it said and all was well,
> enjoyed Aero some got Truecrypt installed and NOD32, ran through
> some windows updates/drivers and rebooted like asked
> Abruptly recieved 'BOOT FAILURE PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISK'
>
> Rebooted Again with same result. Then i rebooted into XP and ran
> HD-TUNE on The 500GB with a full scan and all came up green. SMART had
> highlighted some 'issues' according to HD-TUNEs own util, but stats to
> my other Seagate were similar and that has been running fine ever
> since i installed it early summer.
>
> Powered off and changed SATA cable on Vista driver and plugged into
> different slot - booted into vista just fine. Hooray! figured it was
> just a dodgy cable but after rebooting another time it switched
> back.
>
> Popped in Vista DVD and went to repair option. Ran the auto check
> option and it said all was well. Read the log for this and it
> supposedly confirms the boot record/MBR/Whatever is absolutely fine :|
>
> Shutdown for the night! Next morning powered back up and was greeted
> with the BOOT FAILURE issue (was thinking it was a cold/warm boot
> sorta issue till this point). Booted into XP and ran the seagate tests
> online with the 500GB'er. All 3 SMART/Short/Extended tests come up as
> 100% fine :|
>
> AFAIK all these SATA drives are SATA-II. This shouldnt cause me any
> issue should it? I have ASAKA latch cables to them all, though i have
> tried an ASUS supplied cable on the vista drive to no avail.
>
> Anything i could be missing?!? :O or is it time to RMA?
>
> I have also tried the beta 1805 bios which includes a firmware update
> to the SATA chipset. After reinstalling and a reboot after the sound
> drivers later it reverted to the same stage again
>
> In terms of software i am installing Truecrypt, NOD32 and the Creative
> Drivers. In the first instance i had gotten nod32 and truecrypt on
> fine, but after a subsequent boot it failed. on the second
> installation i had only gotten the Creative Drivers in before it
> failed once more.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:52:34 -0800, "Kerry Brown"
<*a*m> wrote:

>At what point did you receive the BOOT FAILURE message? Was it before or
>after the Windows boot manager loads. It sounds like a BIOS error message
>during the POST. If this is the case it is a hardware issue and nothing to
>do with Windows or drivers.

It occurs just after the point the BIOS chooses which drive to try &
boot on. Interestingly, if i set the BIOS boot order with one of my
IDE drives that completely lack any kind of active or boot partition
ever, with the Vista drive next up it appears to consistently boot. Or
at least it the 4 times i tried it.

Its all just kinda odd given the health checks i've ran across the
drive. Freak bug with this particular mobo & drive combi perhaps? I
shall investigate further

Try inserting a delay in the POST process. Some BIOS' have this setting. If
not try setting the floppy drive seek option to on. It may just be a timing
issue with the drives initializing.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"krootbert" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:52:34 -0800, "Kerry Brown"
> <*a*m> wrote:
>
>>At what point did you receive the BOOT FAILURE message? Was it before or
>>after the Windows boot manager loads. It sounds like a BIOS error message
>>during the POST. If this is the case it is a hardware issue and nothing to
>>do with Windows or drivers.
>
> It occurs just after the point the BIOS chooses which drive to try &
> boot on. Interestingly, if i set the BIOS boot order with one of my
> IDE drives that completely lack any kind of active or boot partition
> ever, with the Vista drive next up it appears to consistently boot. Or
> at least it the 4 times i tried it.
>
> Its all just kinda odd given the health checks i've ran across the
> drive. Freak bug with this particular mobo & drive combi perhaps? I
> shall investigate further

If you left the IDE drives physically connected when you installed Vista,
that may well be the source of your problem. Vista always will write some
boot code to the first IDE drive it identifies.

Your boot order is set for drive C: but the code resides elsewhere.

This is a known condition that has been identified and discussed here
frequently. It does not occur with all M/B's.

The fix is to reinstall Vista with the IDE drives disconnected.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"krootbert" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:52:34 -0800, "Kerry Brown"
> <*a*m> wrote:
>
>>At what point did you receive the BOOT FAILURE message? Was it before or
>>after the Windows boot manager loads. It sounds like a BIOS error message
>>during the POST. If this is the case it is a hardware issue and nothing to
>>do with Windows or drivers.
>
> It occurs just after the point the BIOS chooses which drive to try &
> boot on. Interestingly, if i set the BIOS boot order with one of my
> IDE drives that completely lack any kind of active or boot partition
> ever, with the Vista drive next up it appears to consistently boot. Or
> at least it the 4 times i tried it.
>
> Its all just kinda odd given the health checks i've ran across the
> drive. Freak bug with this particular mobo & drive combi perhaps? I
> shall investigate further

I have this issue too, and it is most certainly something that Vista is
doing.

I have a dual boot system, WinXP and Vista. I just installed Vista.

Now, sometimes (not everytime) when I reboot Vista, I get a BOOT
FAILURE message. If I boot (and reboot) XP, I *NEVER* get this problem.

The BOOT FAILURE message is coming from the system BIOS. It indicates
that the BIOS can't find anything to boot. This means that "something"
has happened in the system that is preventing the BIOS from being able
to read LBA 0 from the hard drive.

In my case, I suspect that this problem is caused by a faulty driver.
I'm running the WinXP SoundMAX (AD1980) driver for Vista since braindead
Vista doesn't support this sound card. I rebooted Vista many times
before installing the older XP sound driver with no issues. It seems
the issue *may* have started after using the older driver.

I suspect that this driver (or something else new in Vista) is leaving
something in hardware in an unstable state on a reboot. When I get this
BOOT FAILURE message, I can Alt-Ctl-Del or press the RESET button, but
the system will not boot. If if power off the on, then the system boots
fine. This is why I suspect that Vista or a driver has left one of the
devices in a state that causes the HD to not read correctly on reboot.

I'll try removing the old sound driver and see if the problem goes away.
But this is something that only Vista is doing (XP does not do it), and
it means that basically rebooting Vista causes this issue that prevents
the HD from being read. Again, it doesn't occur on EVERY reboot.

Bit.

Have you tried going into your BIOS as Kerry suggested and setting your CD
ROM as the primary boot device this will give your VISTA HDD more time to
spin up at boot time to full speed which may be the cause of your problem?
"Bit" <.4you> wrote in message
news:...
>I have this issue too, and it is most certainly something that Vista is
> doing.
>
> I have a dual boot system, WinXP and Vista. I just installed Vista.
>
> Now, sometimes (not everytime) when I reboot Vista, I get a BOOT
> FAILURE message. If I boot (and reboot) XP, I *NEVER* get this problem.
>
> The BOOT FAILURE message is coming from the system BIOS. It indicates
> that the BIOS can't find anything to boot. This means that "something"
> has happened in the system that is preventing the BIOS from being able
> to read LBA 0 from the hard drive.
>
> In my case, I suspect that this problem is caused by a faulty driver.
> I'm running the WinXP SoundMAX (AD1980) driver for Vista since braindead
> Vista doesn't support this sound card. I rebooted Vista many times
> before installing the older XP sound driver with no issues. It seems
> the issue *may* have started after using the older driver.
>
> I suspect that this driver (or something else new in Vista) is leaving
> something in hardware in an unstable state on a reboot. When I get this
> BOOT FAILURE message, I can Alt-Ctl-Del or press the RESET button, but
> the system will not boot. If if power off the on, then the system boots
> fine. This is why I suspect that Vista or a driver has left one of the
> devices in a state that causes the HD to not read correctly on reboot.
>
> I'll try removing the old sound driver and see if the problem goes away.
> But this is something that only Vista is doing (XP does not do it), and
> it means that basically rebooting Vista causes this issue that prevents
> the HD from being read. Again, it doesn't occur on EVERY reboot.
>
> Bit.
>

If you are getting a boot failure that early in the boot sequence it has
nothing to do with any version of Windows, Linux, OS/2 or any other
operating system.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Bit" <.4you> wrote in message
news:...
>I have this issue too, and it is most certainly something that Vista is
> doing.
>
> I have a dual boot system, WinXP and Vista. I just installed Vista.
>
> Now, sometimes (not everytime) when I reboot Vista, I get a BOOT
> FAILURE message. If I boot (and reboot) XP, I *NEVER* get this problem.
>
> The BOOT FAILURE message is coming from the system BIOS. It indicates
> that the BIOS can't find anything to boot. This means that "something"
> has happened in the system that is preventing the BIOS from being able
> to read LBA 0 from the hard drive.
>
> In my case, I suspect that this problem is caused by a faulty driver.
> I'm running the WinXP SoundMAX (AD1980) driver for Vista since braindead
> Vista doesn't support this sound card. I rebooted Vista many times
> before installing the older XP sound driver with no issues. It seems
> the issue *may* have started after using the older driver.
>
> I suspect that this driver (or something else new in Vista) is leaving
> something in hardware in an unstable state on a reboot. When I get this
> BOOT FAILURE message, I can Alt-Ctl-Del or press the RESET button, but
> the system will not boot. If if power off the on, then the system boots
> fine. This is why I suspect that Vista or a driver has left one of the
> devices in a state that causes the HD to not read correctly on reboot.
>
> I'll try removing the old sound driver and see if the problem goes away.
> But this is something that only Vista is doing (XP does not do it), and
> it means that basically rebooting Vista causes this issue that prevents
> the HD from being read. Again, it doesn't occur on EVERY reboot.
>
> Bit.
>