Booting The Right Way Only Takes a Little More and Solves My Terror

How to boot the PC.

Go to Start.
Select SHUTDOWN.
Let the PC turn off.
Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power
Supply OFF.
Wait 15 seconds.
Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.

Why all this?
I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not
really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power is
fully removed.

Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you will
see some motherboard lights on.

I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to the
Windows logo.
This after many attempts to simply Restart.
I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
Restart does not hack it.

You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every
time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.

"Lorin" <> wrote in message
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> How to boot the PC.
>
> Go to Start.
> Select SHUTDOWN.
> Let the PC turn off.
> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power
> Supply OFF.
> Wait 15 seconds.
> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>
> Why all this?
> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not
> really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power is
> fully removed.
>
> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you will
> see some motherboard lights on.
>
> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to
> the Windows logo.
> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
> Restart does not hack it.
>
> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every
> time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>

That simply isn't true. You on crack?

That is not correct. If it does that for you then your PSU is defective.. I can shut
down my system(s) and turn it on immediately to a complete boot when after my system
shuts down when I use the Shut Off command.

--
Peter

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"Lorin" <> wrote in message
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> How to boot the PC.
>
> Go to Start.
> Select SHUTDOWN.
> Let the PC turn off.
> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power Supply OFF.
> Wait 15 seconds.
> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>
> Why all this?
> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not really
> shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power is fully removed.
>
> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you will see
> some motherboard lights on.
>
> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to the
> Windows logo.
> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
> Restart does not hack it.
>
> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every time and
> be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>

Sorry, you are wrong!
Get a better PC.

"measekite's psychiatrist" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Lorin" <> wrote in message
> news:BE8CC619-4146-4615-A188-...
>> How to boot the PC.
>>
>> Go to Start.
>> Select SHUTDOWN.
>> Let the PC turn off.
>> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power
>> Supply OFF.
>> Wait 15 seconds.
>> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
>> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>>
>> Why all this?
>> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not
>> really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power
>> is fully removed.
>>
>> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you
>> will see some motherboard lights on.
>>
>> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to
>> the Windows logo.
>> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
>> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
>> Restart does not hack it.
>>
>> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every
>> time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>>
>
> That simply isn't true. You on crack?
>
>
>

Wrong.
This is part of the design to have a keep alive built in when the Shutdown
command is given.
You have to turn off or unplug modern PCs to actually do a complete
shutdown.
Otherwise the buttons on the front panel will not work.
They are logic signals to the motherboard not to the power supply.

"Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message
news:...
> That is not correct. If it does that for you then your PSU is defective..
> I can shut down my system(s) and turn it on immediately to a complete boot
> when after my system shuts down when I use the Shut Off command.
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "Lorin" <> wrote in message
> news:BE8CC619-4146-4615-A188-...
>> How to boot the PC.
>>
>> Go to Start.
>> Select SHUTDOWN.
>> Let the PC turn off.
>> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power
>> Supply OFF.
>> Wait 15 seconds.
>> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
>> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>>
>> Why all this?
>> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not
>> really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power
>> is fully removed.
>>
>> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you
>> will see some motherboard lights on.
>>
>> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to
>> the Windows logo.
>> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
>> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
>> Restart does not hack it.
>>
>> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every
>> time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>>
>

"Lorin" <> wrote in message
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> Wrong.
> This is part of the design to have a keep alive built in when the Shutdown
> command is given.
> You have to turn off or unplug modern PCs to actually do a complete
> shutdown.
> Otherwise the buttons on the front panel will not work.
> They are logic signals to the motherboard not to the power supply.
>

No - You are wrong. When your PC shuts down your Operating System is NOT IN
MEMORY. When you power up, your Operating System is loaded in MEMORY again.

You may have issues with your PC related to HARDWARE, but rebooting your PC
is correct to deal with the Software if you need to reboot. Unplugging the
system makes no difference. If you think it does, then I have a bridge I
could sell you real cheap.

"Lorin" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Sorry, you are wrong!
> Get a better PC.
>
You are an idiot. No wonder why you can't work a PC. Better talk to Alias
and he will help you with Ubuntu. You are too stupid to figure out Vista.

There might be some truth in both doing and not doing this procedure.
I just spent 3+ hours on the phone with HP support trying to correct a
conflict between the HP My Display program and the PnP recognition
of the driver for my HP2408 monitor. Several things were tried, and
as a side note, none of them worked to get the computer to recognize
the monitor as a known device [and it won't allow a re-install of the
driver, stating I don't have permission]. But I digress, at one point,
after using device manager to uninstall the monitor and the NVidea
video card drivers, the tech told me to shut down, unplug the power,
wait for the LED light on the back of the computer to go out (takes
about 10 seconds), then hold down the power button for 10 more
seconds, then plug it back in and start up, letting the computer attempt
to reinstall both the monitor and video card drivers. Turns out I had
to then go to the driver restore function to get the video drivers back,
and it didn't solve the conflict with the monitor driver.

The lesson learned was that apparently HP tech department thinks
there is some validity to this unplug stuff in certain circumstances.

K

"Lorin" <> wrote in message
news:BE8CC619-4146-4615-A188-...
> How to boot the PC.
>
> Go to Start.
> Select SHUTDOWN.
> Let the PC turn off.
> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC Power
> Supply OFF.
> Wait 15 seconds.
> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>
> Why all this?
> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does not
> really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and power is
> fully removed.
>
> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you will
> see some motherboard lights on.
>
> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get to
> the Windows logo.
> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
> Restart does not hack it.
>
> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it every
> time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>

"AT" <> wrote in message
news:...
> There might be some truth in both doing and not doing this procedure.
> I just spent 3+ hours on the phone with HP support trying to correct a
> conflict between the HP My Display program and the PnP recognition
> of the driver for my HP2408 monitor. Several things were tried, and
> as a side note, none of them worked to get the computer to recognize
> the monitor as a known device [and it won't allow a re-install of the
> driver, stating I don't have permission]. But I digress, at one point,
> after using device manager to uninstall the monitor and the NVidea
> video card drivers, the tech told me to shut down, unplug the power,
> wait for the LED light on the back of the computer to go out (takes
> about 10 seconds), then hold down the power button for 10 more
> seconds, then plug it back in and start up, letting the computer attempt
> to reinstall both the monitor and video card drivers. Turns out I had
> to then go to the driver restore function to get the video drivers back,
> and it didn't solve the conflict with the monitor driver.
>
> The lesson learned was that apparently HP tech department thinks
> there is some validity to this unplug stuff in certain circumstances.
>
> K
>
That may be true but the OP stated that the power should be removed all the
time and the OP is wrong.

"Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message
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> "Lorin" <> wrote in message
> news:BE8CC619-4146-4615-A188-...
>> How to boot the PC.
>>
>> Go to Start.
>> Select SHUTDOWN.
>> Let the PC turn off.
>> Go to the back of the PC and either pull the plug or turn the PC
>> Power Supply OFF.
>> Wait 15 seconds.
>> Turn the PC power switch on or plug the cord back in.
>> Push the button on the front of the PC to start it up.
>>
>> Why all this?
>> I have discovered, and probably many already know, that the PC does
>> not really shut everything down unless this procedure is followed and
>> power is fully removed.
>>
>> Do not believe me, do a shut down and look at the back of the PC, you
>> will see some motherboard lights on.
>>
>> I did some installs that did not work and caused the PC to never get
>> to the Windows logo.
>> This after many attempts to simply Restart.
>> I was terrified that I would have to reinstall Vista, in my case.
>> Restart does not hack it.
>>
>> You have to fully remove power in some cases so why not just do it
>> every time and be assured that your PC is starting from zero.
>>
>
> That is not correct. If it does that for you then your PSU is
> defective.. I can shut down my system(s) and turn it on immediately to
> a complete boot when after my system shuts down when I use the Shut
> Off command.
>
>
Peter, the OP is referring to the way that ATX power supplies have a
"soft off" power state triggered by the front panel switch so that they
actually keep a standby voltage active and supplied to the motherboard.
In some cases, this can keep a hardware glitch from being reset by a
"power off" since there is still some power to the motherboard.

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's something
big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.