Calculating time remaining

Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
other OS.

I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies
helped. Have there been any new developments on this front in the last
2 months?

As mentioned here many times in the last 5 months, a person who is "in the
know" will use a third party file manager program - one that doesn't hook
into Explorer for it's functions. The one I use will copy/move a 10 gig file
just as fast as was possible under Windows XP, AND the time remaining times
are fairly accurate.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Frank Rizzo" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any other
> OS.
>
> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:03:04 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<> wrote:

>As mentioned here many times in the last 5 months, a person who is "in the
>know" will use a third party file manager program - one that doesn't hook
>into Explorer for it's functions. The one I use will copy/move a 10 gig file
>just as fast as was possible under Windows XP, AND the time remaining times
>are fairly accurate.

Oh stop it Richie... you know nothing!

The point that zooms over your head is Vista sucks at a basic core
function all operating system have and no amount of butt kissing and
shameless Microsoft apologists making lame excuses will change the
facts.

You shouldn't have to mess with file permissions, ensure proper
"ownership" or install hotfixes just to be able to copy or move a
bunch of damn files around on your system. Nor should you have to hunt
for some third party application to replace what Windows should do
automatically and quickly on it's own.

Actually, Frank has a very good question. The "Calculating time remaining"
problem continues to be an issue for me too. In my case it occurs when
moving files on a network drive. Hopefully a hotfix soon - and no doubt
this will be solved in SP1.


"Frank Rizzo" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any other
> OS.
>
> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?

Can you recommend a file manager that doesn't hook into Explorer.exe?

"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:efq7kA%...
> As mentioned here many times in the last 5 months, a person who is "in the
> know" will use a third party file manager program - one that doesn't hook
> into Explorer for it's functions. The one I use will copy/move a 10 gig
> file just as fast as was possible under Windows XP, AND the time remaining
> times are fairly accurate.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
>
> "Frank Rizzo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
>> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
>> other OS.
>>
>> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
>> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?
>

"Alfred" <> wrote
> Actually, Frank has a very good question. The "Calculating time
> remaining" problem continues to be an issue for me too. In my case it
> occurs when moving files on a network drive. Hopefully a hotfix soon -
> and no doubt this will be solved in SP1.
>
>
> "Frank Rizzo" <> wrote
>> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
>> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
>> other OS.
>>
>> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
>> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?

There is already a hotfix for slow file moves/copies in a network setting.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Hey Frank,

If you need to move large amounts of data around a network, you will get far
better performance by using Vista's "robocopy" command at a command prompt.

In the past, Robocopy was a Resource Kit utility. In Vista, it has been
moved into the core OS.

When you move files using the graphical interface, Explorer has to go
through any layers of GUI and COM code, plus its own error-checking and
recovery code, before it ever gets around to actually making each Win32
CopyFile() call. Explorer's design goals are oriented towards interactive
use; rather than being a bulk copy facility (that's Microsoft's excuse,
anyway). So, performance can be quite slow for big jobs. It is better in
Vista than in previous versions, but still slow for large volumes of data (a
large number of small files causes more performance heartache than just a
few large files).

Whereas robocopy bypasses all that stuff; it is a fairly tight, efficient
shim on top of the raw NT copy funcctions. One customer I worked with, moves
hundreds of gigabytes of data around the planet every night, just using
robocopy.

Hope this helps,
Andrew

Total Commander from http://www.ghisler.com/ seems to do the job for me.
And, it had about 500 customizations compared to Explorers 10-15. It also
handles .zip files with aplomb - which is another issue posted here a bit.
The program is shareware. It is fully functional with a nag screen when you
fire it up. If you pay the registration fee you are sent a code which
removes the nag screen.

The default copy mode copies 32k chunks by default - the same as Explorer I
believe. You have the option of "large file copy" which copies 10240k by
default (this value can be changed by you but I leave it at the default).

This is one of the first programs I ever purchased on-line, about 10 years
ago. I have received every upgrade since then at no cost. The latest version
7.01 is fully Vista compatible.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:efq7kA%...
> As mentioned here many times in the last 5 months, a person who is "in the
> know" will use a third party file manager program - one that doesn't hook
> into Explorer for it's functions. The one I use will copy/move a 10 gig
> file just as fast as was possible under Windows XP, AND the time remaining
> times are fairly accurate.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
>
> "Frank Rizzo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
>> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
>> other OS.
>>
>> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
>> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?
>

Next to TrueImage and NOD32, this is some of the best software
you could ever spend money on.... worth every penny
and then some. Even more so, because this is something you
will use all the time. You'll quickly forget how bad Windows
Explorer is and how grateful you are that it does blow,
because now you are using a superior product.

http://www.gpsoft.com.au/
Directory Opus 9


-Michael

* Alfred:
> Can you recommend a file manager that doesn't hook into Explorer.exe?
>
> "Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
> news:efq7kA%...
>> As mentioned here many times in the last 5 months, a person who is "in the
>> know" will use a third party file manager program - one that doesn't hook
>> into Explorer for it's functions. The one I use will copy/move a 10 gig
>> file just as fast as was possible under Windows XP, AND the time remaining
>> times are fairly accurate.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank Rizzo" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
>>> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
>>> other OS.
>>>
>>> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
>>> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?
>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:53:29 -0700, "Rock" <> wrote:

>"Alfred" <> wrote
>> Actually, Frank has a very good question. The "Calculating time
>> remaining" problem continues to be an issue for me too. In my case it
>> occurs when moving files on a network drive. Hopefully a hotfix soon -
>> and no doubt this will be solved in SP1.
>>
>>
>> "Frank Rizzo" <> wrote
>>> Like many people I get the "Calculating time remaining" dialog when
>>> copying large files and they take much longer to copy than under any
>>> other OS.
>>>
>>> I posted on this topic several month ago and none of the remedies helped.
>>> Have there been any new developments on this front in the last 2 months?
>
>There is already a hotfix for slow file moves/copies in a network setting.

Which doesn't work for everyone on a consistent basis. The issue is
the Microsoft clowns so totally screwed up a simple process you
actually have several diehard fanboys and MVPs recommending third
party shells to replace Explorer.

The poor performance of Vista while doing copying and moving tasks,
even simple deleting is both laughable and shameful. People are paying
around $200 for a upgrade that can't even do simple copying or moving
of files in an efficient manner. If the Bozos in Redmond that released
this crap aren't clowns for letting this out the door in it's broken
state what would you call them? Einsteins?

For your further education Rock, this problem isn't limited to network
transfers either.