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SomeWhatAggravated
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      06-15-2006
I have a dialup connection. I use auto-update. On June 2nd the Windows
Genuine Advantage Notification update installed on my computer. I guess I
told it to install, but I thought it was a critical update. After that
install my computer would try to connect to the internet every time I
switched user accounts on my XP Pro system. I nomally work off-line so it
pops up the window for connecting to the internet, twice, each time I log in.
I know the FAQ says WGA Notification will call home when you restart your
computer, but on my computer it does it every time I switch user accounts. I
do this quite often because it is a development system and I have accounts
with different access priveleges I use for testing, for security, for
recreation and for guest access.

I find this request to log on dialogue box popping up to be very annoying.

Last weekend I tried to install some additional memory in my computer and
managed to totally trash my system. There was some kind of error related to
an attempt to write to a protected area of memory on boot. I have since
rebuilt my system from scratch and am a bit reluctant to install the WGA
Notification software again. I have an unfounded suspicion that this software
was somehow related to my unsuccessful attempt to add memory and consequently
for crashing and trashing my system.

I have reformatted my hard drive using the quick format option, reinstalled
all system and application software and applied all Windows updates, except
the WGA Notification software. I have marked that "critical update" as
hidden. I have turned off automatic updates to prevent it from being
automatically re-installed. I would like to turn auto-updates back on,
because now I am getting annoying reminders from my anti-virus software about
the restricted status of my auto-updates.

My question:

If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
software again?
 
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jonah
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      06-15-2006
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:24:02 -0700, SomeWhatAggravated
<> wrote:

>I have a dialup connection. I use auto-update. On June 2nd the Windows
>Genuine Advantage Notification update installed on my computer. I guess I
>told it to install, but I thought it was a critical update. After that
>install my computer would try to connect to the internet every time I
>switched user accounts on my XP Pro system. I nomally work off-line so it
>pops up the window for connecting to the internet, twice, each time I log in.
>I know the FAQ says WGA Notification will call home when you restart your
>computer, but on my computer it does it every time I switch user accounts. I
>do this quite often because it is a development system and I have accounts
>with different access priveleges I use for testing, for security, for
>recreation and for guest access.
>
>I find this request to log on dialogue box popping up to be very annoying.
>
>Last weekend I tried to install some additional memory in my computer and
>managed to totally trash my system. There was some kind of error related to
>an attempt to write to a protected area of memory on boot. I have since
>rebuilt my system from scratch and am a bit reluctant to install the WGA
>Notification software again. I have an unfounded suspicion that this software
>was somehow related to my unsuccessful attempt to add memory and consequently
>for crashing and trashing my system.
>
>I have reformatted my hard drive using the quick format option, reinstalled
>all system and application software and applied all Windows updates, except
>the WGA Notification software. I have marked that "critical update" as
>hidden. I have turned off automatic updates to prevent it from being
>automatically re-installed. I would like to turn auto-updates back on,
>because now I am getting annoying reminders from my anti-virus software about
>the restricted status of my auto-updates.
>
>My question:
>
>If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
>update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
>software again?


I don't know, I would not risk it. I never ever use Automatic Updates
its saying to MSFT "here guys have full admin access to my machine and
install anything you want any time you like".

You are right to avoid WGA Notification like the plague.

Check updates every month on the second tuesday. Use "custom" not
express and read up all the details of exactly what you are installing
before making a desicion.

8-)

Jonah
 
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Lem
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      06-16-2006
SomeWhatAggravated wrote:

> I have a dialup connection. I use auto-update. On June 2nd the Windows
> Genuine Advantage Notification update installed on my computer. I guess I
> told it to install, but I thought it was a critical update. After that
> install my computer would try to connect to the internet every time I
> switched user accounts on my XP Pro system. I nomally work off-line so it
> pops up the window for connecting to the internet, twice, each time I log in.
> I know the FAQ says WGA Notification will call home when you restart your
> computer, but on my computer it does it every time I switch user accounts. I
> do this quite often because it is a development system and I have accounts
> with different access priveleges I use for testing, for security, for
> recreation and for guest access.
>
> I find this request to log on dialogue box popping up to be very annoying.
>
> Last weekend I tried to install some additional memory in my computer and
> managed to totally trash my system. There was some kind of error related to
> an attempt to write to a protected area of memory on boot. I have since
> rebuilt my system from scratch and am a bit reluctant to install the WGA
> Notification software again. I have an unfounded suspicion that this software
> was somehow related to my unsuccessful attempt to add memory and consequently
> for crashing and trashing my system.
>
> I have reformatted my hard drive using the quick format option, reinstalled
> all system and application software and applied all Windows updates, except
> the WGA Notification software. I have marked that "critical update" as
> hidden. I have turned off automatic updates to prevent it from being
> automatically re-installed. I would like to turn auto-updates back on,
> because now I am getting annoying reminders from my anti-virus software about
> the restricted status of my auto-updates.
>
> My question:
>
> If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
> update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
> software again?


Here's what I know from personal experience:

You don't need WGA Notification (KB905474) in order to use Windows
Update or Microsoft Update. You do need WGA Validation (KB892130) (and
a genuine, licensed copy of Windows).

MS explains WGA Validation and Notification here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f...6-08wgaqa.mspx

Both WGA tools are updated from time to time, although they keep the
same KB number. One of the changes recently made to KB905474 was
(allegedly) to change the frequency with which the tool checks for a new
settings file. The version you apparently have checks "Shortly after
logon, WGA Notifications checks whether a newer settings file is
available and downloads the file if one is found." "Logon" apparently
means user logon, not just reboot. A more recent version apparently
checks only every 14 days (see article linked above). That article was
first released on June 8, and there is a new version of the tool out
today, so if you download it again, you'll probably stop the frequent
"phone home."

I have never installed KB905474. I "hid" this update on Windows Update.
I don't have updates set to "full automatic," but I do have them set
to notify me when new updates are available. I did not receive any
notifications in the week or so between the time I hid it and today.
OTOH, the re-issuance of KB905474 apparently caused WU to "un-hide" it.
I expect that if I hadn't gone to WU and re-hid it today, I would have
received a notice overnight. The moral of that story is, if you have
automatic updates turned on, you cannot rely on "hiding" a "critical"
update to keep if forever from downloading and installing.

WU has 3 levels of "automaticness" in addition to being turned off
entirely: automatic; download and choose when to install; notify but
don't download or install. I suggest picking the 3rd option. When
notified, go to WU and select the updates you actually need.
 
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SomeWhatAggravated
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      06-16-2006
I've been using Windows Update in manual mode since it appeared in Windows 98
and have only had good experience with it. Just this year I decided to try
the auto-download feature since my new installation of anti-virus software
recommended it and because it kept bugging me to turn it on.

I've been burned twice now in the last few months. I had one of the Nvidia
drivers that was incompatible with last months critical update. That incident
was the first time my Windows XP Pro system ever crashed in six years. Then
that was followed up with the WGA Notification thing and my problem with the
installation of more RAM.

I'm still not totally sure why my computer would not accept more/different,
supposedly compatible RAM. I'm still recovering from having to rebuild my
system and haven't had time to deal with that issue yet. Fortunately I do own
all of my software licenses and had a full data backup that was only two
weeks old.

I guess I'll just stick with manual updates and get used to the anti-virus
software nagging me. I'm guessing MS will eventually implement the
notification thing so it won't be quite so annoying to people with dialup
connections.
 
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Michael Jennings
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      06-16-2006
"Lem" <> wrote in message news:eGJ4D%...
> SomeWhatAggravated wrote:
>> If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
>> update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
>> software again?

>
> I don't have updates set to "full automatic," but I do have them set
> to notify me when new updates are available. I did not receive any
> notifications in the week or so between the time I hid it and today.
> OTOH, the re-issuance of KB905474 apparently caused WU to "un-hide" it.


That's correct, automatic updates unhid the refreshed KB905474 which
I had asked to be hidden. When I confirmed that I declined the EULA
(which states that this update is only for test systems) WU gave me the
update failed screen. Then update history didn't record it - no red X's;
and the MBSA said that I'm fully updated without KB905474. The "You
have asked us to hide Important updates" is back - I can live with it.

This update will not stay hidden - auto-updates sees it again eventually.
If they can get it out there without the Beta EULA I'm willing to install it.


 
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MowGreen
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      06-16-2006
I can confirm the same behavior. Had Hidden the previous release of the
Notification Tool but was prompted to download the latest incarnation
when the update for the defs for Windows Defender came down.
Have hid the latest version and will keep hiding it as it is not
required to be able to access and install updates.
It was *not* offered when the "Patch Tuesday" updates rolled out.

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2006]
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*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
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Michael Jennings wrote:
> "Lem" <> wrote in message news:eGJ4D%...
>> SomeWhatAggravated wrote:
>>> If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
>>> update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
>>> software again?

>> I don't have updates set to "full automatic," but I do have them set
>> to notify me when new updates are available. I did not receive any
>> notifications in the week or so between the time I hid it and today.
>> OTOH, the re-issuance of KB905474 apparently caused WU to "un-hide" it.

>
> That's correct, automatic updates unhid the refreshed KB905474 which
> I had asked to be hidden. When I confirmed that I declined the EULA
> (which states that this update is only for test systems) WU gave me the
> update failed screen. Then update history didn't record it - no red X's;
> and the MBSA said that I'm fully updated without KB905474. The "You
> have asked us to hide Important updates" is back - I can live with it.
>
> This update will not stay hidden - auto-updates sees it again eventually.
> If they can get it out there without the Beta EULA I'm willing to install it.
>
>

 
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Michael Jennings
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      06-27-2006
They pushed it out again today - it was unhidden again.

"MowGreen" <> wrote in message news:...
>I can confirm the same behavior. Had Hidden the previous release of the
> Notification Tool but was prompted to download the latest incarnation
> when the update for the defs for Windows Defender came down.
> Have hid the latest version and will keep hiding it as it is not
> required to be able to access and install updates.
> It was *not* offered when the "Patch Tuesday" updates rolled out.
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2006]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
> Michael Jennings wrote:
>> "Lem" <> wrote in message news:eGJ4D%...
>>> SomeWhatAggravated wrote:
>>>> If I have marked the WGA Notification update as hidden, (don't show this
>>>> update again) and I turn auto updates on, will auto-updates download the
>>>> software again?
>>> I don't have updates set to "full automatic," but I do have them set
>>> to notify me when new updates are available. I did not receive any
>>> notifications in the week or so between the time I hid it and today.
>>> OTOH, the re-issuance of KB905474 apparently caused WU to "un-hide" it.

>>
>> That's correct, automatic updates unhid the refreshed KB905474 which
>> I had asked to be hidden. When I confirmed that I declined the EULA
>> (which states that this update is only for test systems) WU gave me the
>> update failed screen. Then update history didn't record it - no red X's;
>> and the MBSA said that I'm fully updated without KB905474. The "You
>> have asked us to hide Important updates" is back - I can live with it.
>>
>> This update will not stay hidden - auto-updates sees it again eventually.
>> If they can get it out there without the Beta EULA I'm willing to install it.
>>
>>



 
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