How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Hi People,

I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about Windows.
I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
qualified as well.

I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad feeling
about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying things
like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file already.
this is only minor though.

Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:

'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
restarting.'

Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an icon
for counterfit antispyware.

the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program and
run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of the
time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
problem.

i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did with
Windows ME.


I am shocked that years down the line after ME and I am sure MS knew what
the score was with ME. They have managed to do it again. They should have
stuck with XP - perhaps brought out some addons/updates if they really
thought people were desperate for new stuff, and put in some serious work
into Vienna. I have heard that there were so many problems with Vista they
enlisted the help of the Vienna development team to help fix stuff. Obviously
there was to much to fix.

Now I have had my little rant. Maybe MS will sort this.

My advice demand Win XP Pro on new machines. Do not be told that u must have
Vista cause it is the best around.

Dan

Ps. I have also had a customer have a problem authenticating with a WPA
encrypted wireless network as well. Which turned out to be an incompatibility
between the wireless card and Vista even though the wireless card was built
into the laptop and it had a logo saying it was certified for Vista, and this
was a big OEM's laptop. So what hope is there!

"DanielN" <> wrote in message
news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
> Hi People,
>
> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
> Windows.
> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
> qualified as well.
>
> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
> feeling
> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying things
> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
> already.
> this is only minor though.
>
> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>
> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
> restarting.'
>
> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an icon
> for counterfit antispyware.
>
> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program and
> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
> the
> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
> problem.
>
> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did with
> Windows ME.




WOW!

You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have been
designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode? Ever hear of
rootkits?

Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because people
didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after building
their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe. <grin>

Richard Urban wrote:
>
> "DanielN" <> wrote in message
> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
>> Hi People,
>>
>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>> Windows.
>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>> qualified as well.
>>
>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>> feeling
>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>> things
>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>> already.
>> this is only minor though.
>>
>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>
>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>> restarting.'
>>
>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an icon
>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>
>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program and
>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most
>> of the
>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>> problem.
>>
>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did with
>> Windows ME.
>
>
>
>
> WOW!
>
> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode?
> Ever hear of rootkits?
>
> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because
> people didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after
> building their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe.
> <grin>

Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit
or any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/

Alias

Not exactly accurate :

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/3601946

"Alias" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>>
>> "DanielN" <> wrote in message
>> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
>>> Hi People,
>>>
>>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>>> Windows.
>>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>>> qualified as well.
>>>
>>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>>> feeling
>>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>>> things
>>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>>> already.
>>> this is only minor though.
>>>
>>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>>
>>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>>> restarting.'
>>>
>>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an
>>> icon
>>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>>
>>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program
>>> and
>>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>>> the
>>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did
>>> with
>>> Windows ME.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WOW!
>>
>> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
>> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode? Ever
>> hear of rootkits?
>>
>> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because people
>> didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after building
>> their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe. <grin>
>
> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit or
> any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> Alias

Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of choice to
know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are 100% effective in
Linux/Ubuntu.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Spirit" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Not exactly accurate :
>
> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/3601946
>
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>
>>> "DanielN" <> wrote in message
>>> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
>>>> Hi People,
>>>>
>>>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>>>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>>>> Windows.
>>>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>>>> qualified as well.
>>>>
>>>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>>>> feeling
>>>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>>>> things
>>>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>>>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>>>> already.
>>>> this is only minor though.
>>>>
>>>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>>>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>>>
>>>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>>>> restarting.'
>>>>
>>>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an
>>>> icon
>>>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>>>
>>>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program
>>>> and
>>>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>>>> the
>>>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the
>>>> same
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did
>>>> with
>>>> Windows ME.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WOW!
>>>
>>> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
>>> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode?
>>> Ever hear of rootkits?
>>>
>>> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because
>>> people didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after
>>> building their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe.
>>> <grin>
>>
>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit
>> or any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Alias
>
>

Why call it drivel? One attempt to unsuccessfully remove a piece of spyware
by somebody who had virtually no experience of an OS does not render it
drivel..

The OEMs are responsible for ensuring that ALL hardware included in a
package that they deem Vista capable at any level, and some have clearly not
done this.. hardly the fault of the OS, is it?


"DanielN" <> wrote in message
news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
> Hi People,
>
> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
> Windows.
> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
> qualified as well.
>
> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
> feeling
> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying things
> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
> already.
> this is only minor though.
>
> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>
> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
> restarting.'
>
> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an icon
> for counterfit antispyware.
>
> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program and
> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
> the
> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
> problem.
>
> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did with
> Windows ME.
>
>
> I am shocked that years down the line after ME and I am sure MS knew what
> the score was with ME. They have managed to do it again. They should have
> stuck with XP - perhaps brought out some addons/updates if they really
> thought people were desperate for new stuff, and put in some serious work
> into Vienna. I have heard that there were so many problems with Vista they
> enlisted the help of the Vienna development team to help fix stuff.
> Obviously
> there was to much to fix.
>
> Now I have had my little rant. Maybe MS will sort this.
>
> My advice demand Win XP Pro on new machines. Do not be told that u must
> have
> Vista cause it is the best around.
>
> Dan
>
> Ps. I have also had a customer have a problem authenticating with a WPA
> encrypted wireless network as well. Which turned out to be an
> incompatibility
> between the wireless card and Vista even though the wireless card was
> built
> into the laptop and it had a logo saying it was certified for Vista, and
> this
> was a big OEM's laptop. So what hope is there!

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:11:07 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Why call it drivel? One attempt to unsuccessfully remove a piece of spyware
> by somebody who had virtually no experience of an OS does not render it
> drivel..
>
> The OEMs are responsible for ensuring that ALL hardware included in a
> package that they deem Vista capable at any level, and some have clearly not
> done this.. hardly the fault of the OS, is it?


Here is one thing Mike I find to be interesting.

When it comes to non-windows OS' people like to blame the OS for hardware
incompatibility. I've yet to hear anyone outside the Linux community blame
hardware vendors for compatibility problems.

When it comes to Windows though, it's never the OS! It's always the
hardware vendors!

Quite an interesting double standard I think.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Stephan

Those who blame non-Windows OS for hardware incompatibility have gotten it
wrong then.. with any OS, it is generally the job of the hardware
manufacturer to produce drivers..

"Stephan Rose" <> wrote in message
news: ...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:11:07 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Why call it drivel? One attempt to unsuccessfully remove a piece of
>> spyware
>> by somebody who had virtually no experience of an OS does not render it
>> drivel..
>>
>> The OEMs are responsible for ensuring that ALL hardware included in a
>> package that they deem Vista capable at any level, and some have clearly
>> not
>> done this.. hardly the fault of the OS, is it?
>
>
> Here is one thing Mike I find to be interesting.
>
> When it comes to non-windows OS' people like to blame the OS for hardware
> incompatibility. I've yet to hear anyone outside the Linux community blame
> hardware vendors for compatibility problems.
>
> When it comes to Windows though, it's never the OS! It's always the
> hardware vendors!
>
> Quite an interesting double standard I think.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> ������出�日�ん�����
> ����忘れ�������ら

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Spirit wrote:
> Not exactly accurate :
>
> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/3601946

It accurately reported NO Linux computer has been compromised.
Possibilities are one thing; reality another. It's possible that you
will be struck by lightening today but unlikely.

Alias
>
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> "DanielN" <> wrote in message
>>> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-...
>>>> Hi People,
>>>>
>>>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>>>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>>>> Windows.
>>>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>>>> qualified as well.
>>>>
>>>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>>>> feeling
>>>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>>>> things
>>>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>>>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>>>> already.
>>>> this is only minor though.
>>>>
>>>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>>>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>>>
>>>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>>>> restarting.'
>>>>
>>>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an
>>>> icon
>>>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>>>
>>>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program
>>>> and
>>>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>>>> the
>>>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did
>>>> with
>>>> Windows ME.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WOW!
>>>
>>> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
>>> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode? Ever
>>> hear of rootkits?
>>>
>>> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because people
>>> didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after building
>>> their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe. <grin>
>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit or
>> any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Alias
>
>

Richard Urban wrote:
> Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of choice
> to know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are 100% effective in
> Linux/Ubuntu.
>

Yet there are no reports of this possibility happening so go figure.

Alias