I can now coexist with Vista

My first experience with Vista in a dual boot AMD socket 939 dual core
computer was, to be kind, not worth the waste of disc space for the Vista
install.
I now have Vista in a dual boot on an Intel Quad CPU on an Intel P35 chipset
motherboard.
Also SP1.
Under these circumstances Vista is now, surprise, usable for most purposes
(my main business program does not run on Vista but I don't use this machine
for that anyway). File transfers, networking and internet connections appear
nearly equal to performance in XP instead of time by your stopwatch slower
or too annoyingly unstable for everyday use.
However, there is always a however, while I no longer hate Vista I still see
no compelling reason to use or install Vista instead of XP if you already
got XP. I try to use Vista but find myself both habitually and
preferentially booting into XP.
And given the choice I still have to recommend XP to purchasers-while they
can get it- because of lagging program and driver incompatibilities with
Vista. Some of the drivers that are out there for Vista are still and will
forever be less functional than on XP machines. Printer manufacturers, who
habitually package old goods as new (the same printer engine using the same
inks or toner cartridges is put in a new shell and given a new product
name/number) are particularly guilty of this.
I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push Vista
onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
But I am writing this on Vista, network connections have been maintained
throughout the session, file transfers and program installs have not taken
forever and a day, so that is definitely an improvement for Vista.

"flaming-o" <> wrote in message
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>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push Vista
> onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.

People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something. XP
was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either. Where I
work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until early 2004 - 2 &
1/2 years after XP's release!

Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake to
increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.

Bob Campbell wrote:
> "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
> news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
>>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
>> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
>> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
>
> People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something.
> XP was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either.
> Where I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until
> early 2004 - 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
>
> Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
> evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake
> to increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.
>

Not likely. You seem like the average fanboy repeating stuff Microsoft says.

What the buzz is that most corporations will avoid vista and skip to the
next version of windows, when and if its ready in 2010 - 2011

The reason is that vista too big of a risk and offers nothing of value,
but it does add problems, and lots of them.

Why spend money on a beta quality OS, when the final will be out in 2010?

Haven't you heard that everyone hates vista? Are you living under some
moldy slimy rock? I have talked to some top experts and refer to vista
as if its the retarded offspring of Microsoft. They absolutely hate it
and would never recommend it to any company, not
RTM, not SP1 and not SP1000. Basically their and my advice is: Avoid
Vista at any cost.


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pro-testor wrote:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>> "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
>> news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
>>
>>>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
>>>
>>> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
>>> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
>>
>>
>> People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something.
>> XP was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release
>> either. Where I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting
>> XP until early 2004 - 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
>>
>> Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6
>> month evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business
>> uptake to increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up
>> after that.
>>
>
> Not likely. You seem like the average fanboy repeating stuff Microsoft
> says.

And you seem just like the average linux FUDDER, spewing FUD.
>
> What the buzz is that most corporations will avoid vista and skip to the
> next version of windows, when and if its ready in 2010 - 2011

You have no idea about contractual software agreements do you?
>
> The reason is that vista too big of a risk and offers nothing of value,
> but it does add problems, and lots of them.

More FUD.
>
> Why spend money on a beta quality OS, when the final will be out in 2010?

Kicking that FUD engine up a notch huh?
>
> Haven't you heard that everyone hates vista?

They do? Of course you have the factual, verifiable statistical data to
back up that ridiculous, lying claim right?
Got the URL handy?
Well...?

Are you living under some
> moldy slimy rock?

It sure seems like you are! How is it under there...moldy and slimy?

I have talked to some top experts and refer to vista
> as if its the retarded offspring of Microsoft.

"Top experts" huh?

They absolutely hate it
> and would never recommend it to any company, not
> RTM, not SP1 and not SP1000. Basically their and my advice is: Avoid
> Vista at any cost.

Of course you're just a lying linux troll right?
So who really gives a sh*t what you say or what your stupid, ignorant
opinion is right?
You're actually dumber than those who you think you're smarter than...LOL!
IOW's you're a real idiot!!!
Frank

"pro-testor" <pro-> wrote in message
news:47f01647$0$26008$.. .
> Bob Campbell wrote:
> > "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
> > news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
> >>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
> >> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
> >> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
> >
> > People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something.
> > XP was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either.
> > Where I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until
> > early 2004 - 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
> >
> > Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
> > evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake
> > to increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.
> >
>
> Not likely. You seem like the average fanboy repeating stuff Microsoft
says.
>
> What the buzz is that most corporations will avoid vista and skip to the
> next version of windows, when and if its ready in 2010 - 2011
>
> The reason is that vista too big of a risk and offers nothing of value,
> but it does add problems, and lots of them.
>
> Why spend money on a beta quality OS, when the final will be out in 2010?
>
> Haven't you heard that everyone hates vista? Are you living under some
> moldy slimy rock? I have talked to some top experts and refer to vista
> as if its the retarded offspring of Microsoft. They absolutely hate it
> and would never recommend it to any company, not
> RTM, not SP1 and not SP1000. Basically their and my advice is: Avoid
> Vista at any cost.
>
>
>

The company I work for is a fairly large world-wide manufacturer.

When I say fairly large that means:
Large enough to be on the NYSE.
Small enough that no one here is likely to have heard the name.

The OS we use is Win2k and the average machine is a P-III

Though occasionally I'll see my company wasting money on something and
complain about it...
all I can say is we aren't wasting money everywhere!

My guess is that the company will eventaully deploy XP...
but I'll probably be retired by then <G>

"Bob Campbell" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
> news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
>>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
>> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
>> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
>
> People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something. XP
> was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either. Where
> I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until early 2004 -
> 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
>
> Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
> evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake to
> increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.

Factor in every MS-Windows adoption since 95 has been increasingly slower.

95, people lined up for it, now they wait a year to take first peek. Work,
at leans SP3 away.

"Canuck57" <dave-> wrote in message
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> Factor in every MS-Windows adoption since 95 has been increasingly slower.

Factor in there are probably 100 times more computers in the world than in
1995, and of course "adoption is slower". You can't upgrade 800 million
machines overnight.

> 95, people lined up for it,

Consumers, yes. But then you couldn't download it 13 years ago the way you
can now. Why wait in line when you can download it in an hour?

>now they wait a year to take first peek. Work, at leans SP3 away.

Yeah, XP SP3 isn't even out yet, so no one is using XP, right? Is that
*really* what you are saying?

Do you *ever* think before you type?

Most of the hardware I see out there in local businesses and State and local
governments is at least three to five years old. I see Win 2000 and WinXP
running nicely on these machines, along with Office 2002/2003. Vista needs
newer hardware than three to five years of age to run efficiently. Most
I.T. people know the older peripherals - printers, etc. - need
Vista-compatible drivers written for the older hardware, in order for them
to function properly. Many of these peripheral companies aren't interested
in doing that.

So, if I owned a large business; had solid-running computers; had operating
systems on these computers that were functional and secure and able to
communicate with all the peripherals, why would I ever want to install Vista
with all its inherent "needs"? Especially with the knowledge that the next
version of Windows is approximately two years away? And, who knows what
that new O.S. will require in new hardware AND software?

So, no, thank you. I, personally, as head of a company, would just wait.

Ernie



"Bob Campbell" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
> news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
>>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
>> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
>> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
>
> People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something. XP
> was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either. Where
> I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until early 2004 -
> 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
>
> Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
> evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake to
> increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.
>

"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:OdsR0$...
> pro-testor wrote:
>> Bob Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> "flaming-o" <> wrote in message
>>> news:BA362EB1-7FED-46B1-9EE8-...
>>>
>>>>> I am in and out of several large businesses: not a none has Vista on a
>>>>
>>>> single machine and I don't expect that to change. Microsoft can push
>>>> Vista onto retail boxes but it appears to be a no go everywhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>> People keep repeating this like it's some kind of news or something.
>>> XP was nowhere to be found in businesses 1 year after release either.
>>> Where I work (Fortune 500 company) we didn't start getting XP until
>>> early 2004 - 2 & 1/2 years after XP's release!
>>>
>>> Businesses never look seriously until SP1. Even then there is a 6 month
>>> evaluation/test/plan your roll out period. I'd expect business uptake
>>> to increase around 4th quarter 2008, and continue to go up after that.
>>>
>>
>> Not likely. You seem like the average fanboy repeating stuff Microsoft
>> says.
>
> And you seem just like the average linux FUDDER, spewing FUD.
>>
>> What the buzz is that most corporations will avoid vista and skip to the
>> next version of windows, when and if its ready in 2010 - 2011
>
> You have no idea about contractual software agreements do you?
>>
>> The reason is that vista too big of a risk and offers nothing of value,
>> but it does add problems, and lots of them.
>
> More FUD.
>>
>> Why spend money on a beta quality OS, when the final will be out in 2010?
>
> Kicking that FUD engine up a notch huh?
>>
>> Haven't you heard that everyone hates vista?
>
> They do? Of course you have the factual, verifiable statistical data to
> back up that ridiculous, lying claim right?
> Got the URL handy?
> Well...?
>
> Are you living under some
>> moldy slimy rock?
>
> It sure seems like you are! How is it under there...moldy and slimy?
>
> I have talked to some top experts and refer to vista
>> as if its the retarded offspring of Microsoft.
>
> "Top experts" huh?

Dork weed,

I WANT TO RUN MS-WINDOWS crack head.

I just HATE Vista x64 - it is a piece of <NSFA>.

Vista is a farce, and Easel, bad work, marginal, crapware, below industry
standards - over hyped.

People want XP. Get over it twit.

Yes, I run Linux, Solaris, BSD, AIX and HP-UX too.... but I want a souped up
over 4GB XP machine and I don't want to be double dipped for it. I thought
Vista might do, but freakingPoS, even Virtual PC 2007 works on it right.

Not all of us deserve to be criticised because we are not Microsoft
inbreeding borg units and don't worship MS like a god.

Oh, if I was a chair mushroom only browsing, only doing email, Vista is
adequate. If you push it the thing breaks. Like glass.

"pro-testor" <pro-> wrote in message
news:47f01647$0$26008$.. .

> Not likely. You seem like the average fanboy repeating stuff Microsoft
> says.
>
> What the buzz is that most corporations will avoid vista and skip to the
> next version of windows, when and if its ready in 2010 - 2011

Insightful, it is what I am recomending. Skip Vista period. Why gear up
for a change when you can wait a year or two? Makes no sense.

What we need from Microsoft is a better quality, well thought out, better
interoperability OS that will last longer. We can't afford to relear,
redeploy at MS rates.

> The reason is that vista too big of a risk and offers nothing of value,
> but it does add problems, and lots of them.

Actually, a negative value. Say your company has 10000 PCs, every one needs
to be upgraded. Float that by the CFO. Not even going to try.

> Why spend money on a beta quality OS, when the final will be out in 2010?

Good point, provided they do get more quality in it.

> Haven't you heard that everyone hates vista? Are you living under some
> moldy slimy rock? I have talked to some top experts and refer to vista as
> if its the retarded offspring of Microsoft. They absolutely hate it and
> would never recommend it to any company, not
> RTM, not SP1 and not SP1000. Basically their and my advice is: Avoid Vista
> at any cost.

They are not listening or they would offer everyone who has Vista that wants
to change a free downgrade to XP or XP x64 if they have 64 bit Vista. Ok,
maybe $10 S&H. But for those desperate, they have to let Microsoft double
dip them and buy a XP media kit.

It will catch up to Microsoft in the end. If they don't smarten up, it
could be the beginning of the end of Microsoft WeSayso Corp.