Can I use the Host Vista Ultimate license for a Virtual Vista Mach

I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for the
Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to be
many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.

Many thanks.

You could always just not use the key and run it unactivated in the virtual
machine, test it that way for up to a year (there is a way to do it
legally).

But, it is still one license per install, this includes virtual machines.

--
Dustin Harper

http://www.vistarip.com

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"theshepherds" <> wrote in message
news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for
> the
> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to be
> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>
> Many thanks.

Hi,

A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be able
to use it as a test environment for 30 days.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"theshepherds" <> wrote in message
news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for
> the
> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to be
> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>
> Many thanks.

Rick,

The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms, paragraph 6 ...:

"USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights management services or using full volume disk drive encryption."

Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device" It does not require it's own license.

Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect the MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've been reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone else was in error.

Bob S.



"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message news:...
> Hi,
>
> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be able
> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "theshepherds" <> wrote in message
> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for
>> the
>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to be
>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>

Hi Bob,

You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the license is
this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device" under
installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use the
license for one installation.

Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license in
a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium, cannot be
used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere does
it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and the
virtual environment simultaneously.

I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll see
that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate here.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"BobS" <no-> wrote in message
news:...
Rick,

The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
paragraph 6 ...:

"USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on
the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system
on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or
use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management
services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or
using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
rights management technology or other rights management services or using
full volume disk drive encryption."

Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within a
virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device" It
does not require it's own license.

Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect the
MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've been
reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone else
was in error.

Bob S.



"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be able
> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "theshepherds" <> wrote in message
> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for
>> the
>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to
>> be
>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>

Rick,

I do not believe I am misinterpreting and the exact language used states the same software (OS) can be used with virtual technologies. Please read below.

The EULA states:

"Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the "licensed device.�

So we have a one physical PC with one license assigned to it....
It further states terms which expand the users license rights:

"Edition Specific Rights. See the Additional License Terms sections at the end of this agreement for license terms that apply to specific editions of the software."

Additional licensing terms are assigned to Vista Ultimate beyond the main license terms - with one being:

USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights management services or using full volume disk drive encryption

Please note that the above paragraph states "You may use the software installed {Vista is software} on the licensed device within...."

It explicitly allows the same software to be used within a virtual environment on that physical device and does not state or even imply a second license is required.

Why else would they state it this way? If they wanted to insure that use of Vista in a virtual environment required another license, they could have stated "Use of Vista in a virtual environment requires a separate license." Or words to that effect - they do not.

So if I'm wrong, then please have the license guru's tell us which words explicitly require the virtual Vista OS installation to have a separate license.

Their words (not mine) allow this use without another license required.



Bob S.



"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message news:...

> Hi Bob,
>
> You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the license is
> this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device" under
> installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use the
> license for one installation.
>
> Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license in
> a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium, cannot be
> used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
> acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere does
> it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and the
> virtual environment simultaneously.
>
> I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll see
> that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
> manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate here.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
> news:...
> Rick,
>
> The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
> paragraph 6 ...:
>
> "USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on
> the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system
> on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or
> use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
> enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management
> services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or
> using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
> rights management technology or other rights management services or using
> full volume disk drive encryption."
>
> Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within a
> virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device" It
> does not require it's own license.
>
> Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect the
> MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've been
> reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
> acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone else
> was in error.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi,
>>
>> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
>> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be able
>> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "theshepherds" <> wrote in message
>> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
>>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key for
>>> the
>>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to
>>> be
>>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>

Hi Bob,

I am thinking this line is what is confusing: " You may use the software
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
hardware system on the licensed device". It seems to imply that you have the
right to install it to a virtual machine that exists on the system that is
running Vista, but that is not correct.

That line does not mean you can install it in a virtual environment in
addition to the physical one. It means you can install it to a virtual
environment that exists in the system that contains the licensed device.
"Licensed device" does not mean the installation, but rather the hardware.
The license for Ultimate allow for only one installation to a licensed
device. That install can be to the system containing the device, or to a
virtual environment that exists on the system containing that device, not to
both.

I'm not sure I can explain it any better.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"BobS" <no-> wrote in message
news:...
Rick,

I do not believe I am misinterpreting and the exact language used states the
same software (OS) can be used with virtual technologies. Please read below.

The EULA states:

"Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license
to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the "licensed
device.�

So we have a one physical PC with one license assigned to it....
It further states terms which expand the users license rights:

"Edition Specific Rights. See the Additional License Terms sections at the
end of this agreement for license terms that apply to specific editions of
the software."

Additional licensing terms are assigned to Vista Ultimate beyond the main
license terms - with one being:

USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on
the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system
on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or
use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management
services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or
using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
rights management technology or other rights management services or using
full volume disk drive encryption

Please note that the above paragraph states "You may use the software
installed {Vista is software} on the licensed device within...."

It explicitly allows the same software to be used within a virtual
environment on that physical device and does not state or even imply a
second license is required.

Why else would they state it this way? If they wanted to insure that use of
Vista in a virtual environment required another license, they could have
stated "Use of Vista in a virtual environment requires a separate license."
Or words to that effect - they do not.

So if I'm wrong, then please have the license guru's tell us which words
explicitly require the virtual Vista OS installation to have a separate
license.

Their words (not mine) allow this use without another license required.



Bob S.



"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:...

> Hi Bob,
>
> You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the license
> is
> this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"
> under
> installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use the
> license for one installation.
>
> Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license
> in
> a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium, cannot
> be
> used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
> acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere does
> it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and the
> virtual environment simultaneously.
>
> I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll see
> that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
> manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate here.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
> news:...
> Rick,
>
> The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
> paragraph 6 ...:
>
> "USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
> on
> the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
> system
> on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content
> or
> use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
> enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights
> management
> services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content
> or
> using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
> rights management technology or other rights management services or using
> full volume disk drive encryption."
>
> Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within a
> virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device"
> It
> does not require it's own license.
>
> Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect
> the
> MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've
> been
> reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
> acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone else
> was in error.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi,
>>
>> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
>> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be
>> able
>> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "theshepherds" <> wrote in message
>> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
>>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key
>>> for
>>> the
>>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to
>>> be
>>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>

Rick,

Exactly the words and they are not confusing at Ed Bott points out when you
compare the licensing for WinXP and how it was changed for Vista (version
specific).

Thanks for your responses but I think that anyone wishing to use the
versions allowed by the EULA in a virtual environment will not be in
violation. Read what Ed Bott and others reported on this exact issue.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=157

Bob S.


"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:e63$%...
> Hi Bob,
>
> I am thinking this line is what is confusing: " You may use the software
> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
> hardware system on the licensed device". It seems to imply that you have
> the right to install it to a virtual machine that exists on the system
> that is running Vista, but that is not correct.
>
> That line does not mean you can install it in a virtual environment in
> addition to the physical one. It means you can install it to a virtual
> environment that exists in the system that contains the licensed device.
> "Licensed device" does not mean the installation, but rather the hardware.
> The license for Ultimate allow for only one installation to a licensed
> device. That install can be to the system containing the device, or to a
> virtual environment that exists on the system containing that device, not
> to both.
>
> I'm not sure I can explain it any better.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
> news:...
> Rick,
>
> I do not believe I am misinterpreting and the exact language used states
> the same software (OS) can be used with virtual technologies. Please read
> below.
>
> The EULA states:
>
> "Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license
> to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the "licensed
> device."
>
> So we have a one physical PC with one license assigned to it....
> It further states terms which expand the users license rights:
>
> "Edition Specific Rights. See the Additional License Terms sections at the
> end of this agreement for license terms that apply to specific editions of
> the software."
>
> Additional licensing terms are assigned to Vista Ultimate beyond the main
> license terms - with one being:
>
> USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
> on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
> system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access
> content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital,
> information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft
> rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or
> accessing content or using applications protected by other digital,
> information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights
> management services or using full volume disk drive encryption
>
> Please note that the above paragraph states "You may use the software
> installed {Vista is software} on the licensed device within...."
>
> It explicitly allows the same software to be used within a virtual
> environment on that physical device and does not state or even imply a
> second license is required.
>
> Why else would they state it this way? If they wanted to insure that use
> of Vista in a virtual environment required another license, they could
> have stated "Use of Vista in a virtual environment requires a separate
> license." Or words to that effect - they do not.
>
> So if I'm wrong, then please have the license guru's tell us which words
> explicitly require the virtual Vista OS installation to have a separate
> license.
>
> Their words (not mine) allow this use without another license required.
>
>
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the license
>> is
>> this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"
>> under
>> installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use the
>> license for one installation.
>>
>> Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license
>> in
>> a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium, cannot
>> be
>> used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
>> acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere
>> does
>> it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and
>> the
>> virtual environment simultaneously.
>>
>> I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll see
>> that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
>> manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate
>> here.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> Rick,
>>
>> The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
>> paragraph 6 ...:
>>
>> "USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
>> on
>> the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
>> system
>> on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content
>> or
>> use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
>> enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights
>> management
>> services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content
>> or
>> using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
>> rights management technology or other rights management services or using
>> full volume disk drive encryption."
>>
>> Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within a
>> virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device"
>> It
>> does not require it's own license.
>>
>> Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect
>> the
>> MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've
>> been
>> reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
>> acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone
>> else
>> was in error.
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
>>> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be
>>> able
>>> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>
>>> "theshepherds" <> wrote in message
>>> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>>>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the same
>>>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key
>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems to
>>>> be
>>>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>

Hi Bob,

I'm sorry, but Ed's wrong. He is doing the same thing and misinterpreting
that line as permission to create two installations. It isn't, it merely
means that you can install your retail license in a virtual machine. It
doesn't mean in addition to the physical one. It means either/or.

As to Home Basic and Home Premium, they can be run in a virtual environment
with an MSDN license, but not a retail. This was done to allow software
developers a means of testing their applications on these versions within a
virtual environment.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"BobS" <no-> wrote in message
news:...
> Rick,
>
> Exactly the words and they are not confusing at Ed Bott points out when
> you compare the licensing for WinXP and how it was changed for Vista
> (version specific).
>
> Thanks for your responses but I think that anyone wishing to use the
> versions allowed by the EULA in a virtual environment will not be in
> violation. Read what Ed Bott and others reported on this exact issue.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=157
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:e63$%...
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> I am thinking this line is what is confusing: " You may use the software
>> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
>> hardware system on the licensed device". It seems to imply that you have
>> the right to install it to a virtual machine that exists on the system
>> that is running Vista, but that is not correct.
>>
>> That line does not mean you can install it in a virtual environment in
>> addition to the physical one. It means you can install it to a virtual
>> environment that exists in the system that contains the licensed device.
>> "Licensed device" does not mean the installation, but rather the
>> hardware. The license for Ultimate allow for only one installation to a
>> licensed device. That install can be to the system containing the device,
>> or to a virtual environment that exists on the system containing that
>> device, not to both.
>>
>> I'm not sure I can explain it any better.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> Rick,
>>
>> I do not believe I am misinterpreting and the exact language used states
>> the same software (OS) can be used with virtual technologies. Please read
>> below.
>>
>> The EULA states:
>>
>> "Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that
>> license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the
>> "licensed device."
>>
>> So we have a one physical PC with one license assigned to it....
>> It further states terms which expand the users license rights:
>>
>> "Edition Specific Rights. See the Additional License Terms sections at
>> the end of this agreement for license terms that apply to specific
>> editions of the software."
>>
>> Additional licensing terms are assigned to Vista Ultimate beyond the main
>> license terms - with one being:
>>
>> USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
>> on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
>> system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access
>> content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital,
>> information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft
>> rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or
>> accessing content or using applications protected by other digital,
>> information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights
>> management services or using full volume disk drive encryption
>>
>> Please note that the above paragraph states "You may use the software
>> installed {Vista is software} on the licensed device within...."
>>
>> It explicitly allows the same software to be used within a virtual
>> environment on that physical device and does not state or even imply a
>> second license is required.
>>
>> Why else would they state it this way? If they wanted to insure that use
>> of Vista in a virtual environment required another license, they could
>> have stated "Use of Vista in a virtual environment requires a separate
>> license." Or words to that effect - they do not.
>>
>> So if I'm wrong, then please have the license guru's tell us which words
>> explicitly require the virtual Vista OS installation to have a separate
>> license.
>>
>> Their words (not mine) allow this use without another license required.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the
>>> license is
>>> this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"
>>> under
>>> installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use
>>> the
>>> license for one installation.
>>>
>>> Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license
>>> in
>>> a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium,
>>> cannot be
>>> used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
>>> acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere
>>> does
>>> it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and
>>> the
>>> virtual environment simultaneously.
>>>
>>> I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll
>>> see
>>> that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
>>> manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate
>>> here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>
>>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
>>> paragraph 6 ...:
>>>
>>> "USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software
>>> installed on
>>> the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
>>> system
>>> on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content
>>> or
>>> use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
>>> enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights
>>> management
>>> services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing
>>> content or
>>> using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
>>> rights management technology or other rights management services or
>>> using
>>> full volume disk drive encryption."
>>>
>>> Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within
>>> a
>>> virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device"
>>> It
>>> does not require it's own license.
>>>
>>> Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect
>>> the
>>> MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've
>>> been
>>> reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
>>> acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone
>>> else
>>> was in error.
>>>
>>> Bob S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
>>>> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be
>>>> able
>>>> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best of Luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>>
>>>> "theshepherds" <> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>>>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>>>>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the
>>>>> same
>>>>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key
>>>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Rick,

But it doesn't say either/or, it states explicitly - "You may use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device." No misinterpretation, no opinion - this sentence say's it exactly. It's a stand-alone statement and only makes a reference to earlier wording which defines a licensed device.

I understand your meaning but there are no words in the EULA to enforce that interpretation. It is giving permission by stating "You may use the software installed..."

Look at the rest of the wording.

"If you do so, you may not play or access content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights management services or using full volume disk drive encryption."

If the VM copy of Vista did have it's own license - then why could you not use DRM?

So if I can use program "A", "B" and "C" that is installed on the licensed device, than I can also use the same Vista license in the VM also. It is not excluded anywhere in the EULA and no wording states we need a separate license as you do for WinXP. That is exactly was what Ed Bott was pointing out - the wording has changed - to allow this. Otherwise - they would have left the wording the same.

Maybe you can contact the licensing guru's again and ask them to furnish the reference where it's stated we cannot use the same OS license on the host and VM - I certainly can't find it. It is confusing and if what "MS meant to say" is not explicity stated in a contract, then it's not enforceable. I and others are not twisting words - I'm reading the words exactly and not inferring anything such as "they meant to say" or "this must mean".

But then again, more Scotch may clear this whole thing up.....

Bob S.



"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message news:...
> Hi Bob,
>
> I'm sorry, but Ed's wrong. He is doing the same thing and misinterpreting
> that line as permission to create two installations. It isn't, it merely
> means that you can install your retail license in a virtual machine. It
> doesn't mean in addition to the physical one. It means either/or.
>
> As to Home Basic and Home Premium, they can be run in a virtual environment
> with an MSDN license, but not a retail. This was done to allow software
> developers a means of testing their applications on these versions within a
> virtual environment.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Rick,
>>
>> Exactly the words and they are not confusing at Ed Bott points out when
>> you compare the licensing for WinXP and how it was changed for Vista
>> (version specific).
>>
>> Thanks for your responses but I think that anyone wishing to use the
>> versions allowed by the EULA in a virtual environment will not be in
>> violation. Read what Ed Bott and others reported on this exact issue.
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=157
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> news:e63$%...
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> I am thinking this line is what is confusing: " You may use the software
>>> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
>>> hardware system on the licensed device". It seems to imply that you have
>>> the right to install it to a virtual machine that exists on the system
>>> that is running Vista, but that is not correct.
>>>
>>> That line does not mean you can install it in a virtual environment in
>>> addition to the physical one. It means you can install it to a virtual
>>> environment that exists in the system that contains the licensed device.
>>> "Licensed device" does not mean the installation, but rather the
>>> hardware. The license for Ultimate allow for only one installation to a
>>> licensed device. That install can be to the system containing the device,
>>> or to a virtual environment that exists on the system containing that
>>> device, not to both.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I can explain it any better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>
>>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> I do not believe I am misinterpreting and the exact language used states
>>> the same software (OS) can be used with virtual technologies. Please read
>>> below.
>>>
>>> The EULA states:
>>>
>>> "Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that
>>> license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the
>>> "licensed device."
>>>
>>> So we have a one physical PC with one license assigned to it....
>>> It further states terms which expand the users license rights:
>>>
>>> "Edition Specific Rights. See the Additional License Terms sections at
>>> the end of this agreement for license terms that apply to specific
>>> editions of the software."
>>>
>>> Additional licensing terms are assigned to Vista Ultimate beyond the main
>>> license terms - with one being:
>>>
>>> USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
>>> on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
>>> system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access
>>> content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital,
>>> information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft
>>> rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or
>>> accessing content or using applications protected by other digital,
>>> information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights
>>> management services or using full volume disk drive encryption
>>>
>>> Please note that the above paragraph states "You may use the software
>>> installed {Vista is software} on the licensed device within...."
>>>
>>> It explicitly allows the same software to be used within a virtual
>>> environment on that physical device and does not state or even imply a
>>> second license is required.
>>>
>>> Why else would they state it this way? If they wanted to insure that use
>>> of Vista in a virtual environment required another license, they could
>>> have stated "Use of Vista in a virtual environment requires a separate
>>> license." Or words to that effect - they do not.
>>>
>>> So if I'm wrong, then please have the license guru's tell us which words
>>> explicitly require the virtual Vista OS installation to have a separate
>>> license.
>>>
>>> Their words (not mine) allow this use without another license required.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>
>>>> You're misinterpreting that phrase. Actually, much earlier in the
>>>> license is
>>>> this "You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"
>>>> under
>>>> installation rights. Regardless if emulated or real, you can only use
>>>> the
>>>> license for one installation.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the paste you posted, it states that you can use your license
>>>> in
>>>> a virtual environment (some versions, like Basic and Home Premium,
>>>> cannot be
>>>> used in this fashion). The purpose of that section of the license is to
>>>> acknowledge that the license can be used in that environment. Nowhere
>>>> does
>>>> it state that you can use your license to install to both the host and
>>>> the
>>>> virtual environment simultaneously.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, and if you check around you'll
>>>> see
>>>> that I do. In this case, having spoken directly with the licensing team
>>>> manager just over a week ago, I'm quite confident that I am accurate
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best of Luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>>
>>>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> The Vista Ultimate EULA states in part under Additional License Terms,
>>>> paragraph 6 ...:
>>>>
>>>> "USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software
>>>> installed on
>>>> the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
>>>> system
>>>> on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content
>>>> or
>>>> use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or
>>>> enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights
>>>> management
>>>> services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing
>>>> content or
>>>> using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
>>>> rights management technology or other rights management services or
>>>> using
>>>> full volume disk drive encryption."
>>>>
>>>> Please not it states " software installed on the licensed device within
>>>> a
>>>> virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device"
>>>> It
>>>> does not require it's own license.
>>>>
>>>> Not to hassle any MVP's - certainly not my intention but I would expect
>>>> the
>>>> MVP's here to have a better understanding of the EULA's than what I've
>>>> been
>>>> reading lately. And when they're corrected, the MVP's don't even
>>>> acknowledge they were in error - or point out with facts that someone
>>>> else
>>>> was in error.
>>>>
>>>> Bob S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> A virtual instance requires its own license. If you set it up and don't
>>>>> activate it (best to just install without the product key), you'll be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to use it as a test environment for 30 days.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best of Luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>>>
>>>>> "theshepherds" <> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:76A36062-4F49-4808-B9E1-...
>>>>>>I have a legit copy of Vista Ultimate and I wish to create a test Vista
>>>>>> Ultimate environment/machine/instance using Virtual PC 2007 on the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> machine that I have Vista Installed. Can I reuse the host license key
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Virtual machine or will it invalidate the host license ? There seems
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> many conflicting reports on the web and I wish to remain legal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>