Cannot run ATI Catalyst setup on SBS2003R2SP2

I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS issue,
because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS.

In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
with the following error:

"Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."

I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
as" and NOT restricting execution.

The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup succeeded),
I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all Windows
Updates AND SP2 install.

I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or something.

If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI driver
update!

I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.

NLS wrote:
> I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS issue,
> because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS.
>
> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
> with the following error:
>
> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>
> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
> as" and NOT restricting execution.
>
> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup succeeded),
> I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
> components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all Windows
> Updates AND SP2 install.
>
> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or something.
>
> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI driver
> update!
>
> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>
If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.

A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine

Assuming this is a server used for business.

Agreed, a $15.00 graphics card works great
not worth your time to make something work when you don't need to.
http://www.pricewatch.com/range/video_cards/37-1.htm

If you are trying to use the SBS server as a workstation?
UH? Why and Don't do it.

Unless you like to run around with a live grenade duct taped in your mouth,
and your hands tied behind your back?

Russ



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"Susan Bradley" <> wrote in message
news:...
> NLS wrote:
>> I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS
>> issue, because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first
>> setup SBS.
>>
>> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
>> with the following error:
>>
>> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>>
>> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
>> as" and NOT restricting execution.
>>
>> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
>> succeeded), I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished
>> installing components), where in this install I tried to run it last,
>> after all Windows Updates AND SP2 install.
>>
>> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
>> something.
>>
>> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
>> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI
>> driver update!
>>
>> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>>
> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
> .net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>
> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine

Thank you for your reply Susan.

Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.

The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard VGA
driver.
The standard VGA driver is very limited:

- It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
- Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.

Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually used
as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It servers
as hands-on support software.

The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was a
problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).

To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an ATI
card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it again.

In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What prohibits
this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run the
driver normally.

I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message pops up.

"Susan Bradley" wrote:

> NLS wrote:
> > I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS issue,
> > because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS.
> >
> > In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
> > with the following error:
> >
> > "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
> >
> > I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
> > as" and NOT restricting execution.
> >
> > The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup succeeded),
> > I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
> > components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all Windows
> > Updates AND SP2 install.
> >
> > I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or something.
> >
> > If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
> > it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI driver
> > update!
> >
> > I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
> >
> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>
> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine
>

SBS has to be a domain controller otherwise it will shut down in two weeks.

If the driver was downloaded from the internet, click on properties, and
then on the tab that allows content from the Internet.

I know I'm not answering your question, but you'd be better off with
workstation OS and then loading up SBS in a vmware/vpc.

NLS wrote:
> Thank you for your reply Susan.
>
> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.
>
> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard VGA
> driver.
> The standard VGA driver is very limited:
>
> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.
>
> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually used
> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It servers
> as hands-on support software.
>
> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was a
> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).
>
> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an ATI
> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it again.
>
> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What prohibits
> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run the
> driver normally.
>
> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message pops up.
>
> "Susan Bradley" wrote:
>
>> NLS wrote:
>>> I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS issue,
>>> because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS.
>>>
>>> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
>>> with the following error:
>>>
>>> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>>>
>>> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
>>> as" and NOT restricting execution.
>>>
>>> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup succeeded),
>>> I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
>>> components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all Windows
>>> Updates AND SP2 install.
>>>
>>> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or something.
>>>
>>> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
>>> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI driver
>>> update!
>>>
>>> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>>>
>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>>
>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine
>>

You say you are trying to find the source of this problem
Does the card say it's Server 2003 compatible?

Have you used this card before in SBS?

Check with who makes they card.

If they don't write drivers for Server 2003
You are at a hit/miss

Assuming everything went well during the install.
From the sounds of it, you got lucky on the first install
and the second install the card drivers said uh? what's up? this isn't a PC.

If the install / SBS is suspect, you probably need to reinstall SBS.

Personally Contact the Manufacture of the Card and see if they have drivers.

As a work around you say
"It servers as hands-on support software."

I don't know exactly what this means?

However a SBS server is not intended to be a desktop system.
However you can use up to two Administrative Connections to it.
(Then you won't care about what card that is in it.)

Russ

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"NLS" <> wrote in message
news:39BAAAF2-FD5F-42A6-9316-...
> Thank you for your reply Susan.
>
> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.
>
> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard VGA
> driver.
> The standard VGA driver is very limited:
>
> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.
>
> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually
> used
> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It
> servers
> as hands-on support software.
>
> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was a
> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).
>
> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an ATI
> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it again.
>
> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What
> prohibits
> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run the
> driver normally.
>
> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message pops
> up.
>
> "Susan Bradley" wrote:
>
>> NLS wrote:
>> > I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS
>> > issue,
>> > because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup
>> > SBS.
>> >
>> > In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run
>> > setup
>> > with the following error:
>> >
>> > "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>> >
>> > I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried
>> > "run
>> > as" and NOT restricting execution.
>> >
>> > The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
>> > succeeded),
>> > I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
>> > components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all
>> > Windows
>> > Updates AND SP2 install.
>> >
>> > I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
>> > something.
>> >
>> > If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will
>> > reinstalling
>> > it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI
>> > driver
>> > update!
>> >
>> > I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>> >
>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>>
>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine
>>

As everyone has pointed out, running real graphics on a server isn't an
ideal situation. And I'd agree that a better solution is to run it in a VM.
However, all that being said, when dealing with ATI, I'd strongly suggest
that you simply state that you're trying to update the drivers on your
Server 2003 SP2 domain controller. Throwing in SBS to the mix will guarantee
that they say "it's not supported". When, in fact, it has nothing to do with
SBS, and everything to do with installation on a Domain Controller, I
strongly suspect.

The best workaround for something like this is to get the drivers installed
during the initial install, before SBS is fully installed and before the
machine is an actual DC. Then leave them there. There should be no need to
update the drivers later.

The issue, of course, is that there is no such thing as a local
administrator account on a domain controller. Or any local account. All
accounts on a DC must be domain accounts.

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"NLS" <> wrote in message
news:BC849DBF-E70E-4C82-8ACF-...
>I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS issue,
> because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS.
>
> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setup
> with the following error:
>
> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>
> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried "run
> as" and NOT restricting execution.
>
> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
> succeeded),
> I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
> components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all
> Windows
> Updates AND SP2 install.
>
> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
> something.
>
> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstalling
> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI driver
> update!
>
> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>

I'm not an ATI guru, but it seems to me that if you have a good driver,
you'll be able to use the dual monitor configuration without the whole
Catalyst package. Can you just download the XP version of the ATI app and,
instead of installing it, just do a simple driver update? What you have to
do to get around the issue of it only trying to install the specific (wrong)
driver: in Device Manager, r-click the card and choose to update the
driver. Say no to searching on Windows Update (although that might be
another way to get the appropriate driver). Choose the option to install
from a specific location, then click Don't Search, then Have Disk. Browse
directly to the driver file you want to install. Hopefully that'll work.

I can't find any Server drivers on the ATI site, but I have a Radeon on the
motherboard of my SBS, and it's using an ATI driver. I'm not surprised that
Catalyst won't work, but it seems like there must be a simple way to install
the driver alone without the rest of the package.

If only I'd bought nVidia stock back in the day. I'd be writing this from
the beach.


"NLS" <> wrote in message
news:39BAAAF2-FD5F-42A6-9316-...
> Thank you for your reply Susan.
>
> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.
>
> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard VGA
> driver.
> The standard VGA driver is very limited:
>
> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.
>
> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually
> used
> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It
> servers
> as hands-on support software.
>
> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was a
> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).
>
> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an ATI
> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it again.
>
> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What
> prohibits
> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run the
> driver normally.
>
> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message pops
> up.
>
> "Susan Bradley" wrote:
>
>> NLS wrote:
>> > I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS
>> > issue,
>> > because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup
>> > SBS.
>> >
>> > In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run
>> > setup
>> > with the following error:
>> >
>> > "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>> >
>> > I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried
>> > "run
>> > as" and NOT restricting execution.
>> >
>> > The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
>> > succeeded),
>> > I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
>> > components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all
>> > Windows
>> > Updates AND SP2 install.
>> >
>> > I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
>> > something.
>> >
>> > If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will
>> > reinstalling
>> > it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI
>> > driver
>> > update!
>> >
>> > I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>> >
>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>>
>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fine
>>

I have some Enron Groceries.com and WebVan Stock if you want?

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"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:FB0CFCEB-F713-4E88-8773-...
> I'm not an ATI guru, but it seems to me that if you have a good driver,
> you'll be able to use the dual monitor configuration without the whole
> Catalyst package. Can you just download the XP version of the ATI app
> and, instead of installing it, just do a simple driver update? What you
> have to do to get around the issue of it only trying to install the
> specific (wrong) driver: in Device Manager, r-click the card and choose
> to update the driver. Say no to searching on Windows Update (although
> that might be another way to get the appropriate driver). Choose the
> option to install from a specific location, then click Don't Search, then
> Have Disk. Browse directly to the driver file you want to install.
> Hopefully that'll work.
>
> I can't find any Server drivers on the ATI site, but I have a Radeon on
> the motherboard of my SBS, and it's using an ATI driver. I'm not
> surprised that Catalyst won't work, but it seems like there must be a
> simple way to install the driver alone without the rest of the package.
>
> If only I'd bought nVidia stock back in the day. I'd be writing this from
> the beach.
>
>
> "NLS" <> wrote in message
> news:39BAAAF2-FD5F-42A6-9316-...
>> Thank you for your reply Susan.
>>
>> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.
>>
>> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard
>> VGA
>> driver.
>> The standard VGA driver is very limited:
>>
>> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
>> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.
>>
>> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually
>> used
>> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It
>> servers
>> as hands-on support software.
>>
>> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was a
>> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).
>>
>> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
>> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an
>> ATI
>> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
>> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it
>> again.
>>
>> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What
>> prohibits
>> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run
>> the
>> driver normally.
>>
>> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message
>> pops up.
>>
>> "Susan Bradley" wrote:
>>
>>> NLS wrote:
>>> > I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS
>>> > issue,
>>> > because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup
>>> > SBS.
>>> >
>>> > In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run
>>> > setup
>>> > with the following error:
>>> >
>>> > "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>>> >
>>> > I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried
>>> > "run
>>> > as" and NOT restricting execution.
>>> >
>>> > The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
>>> > succeeded),
>>> > I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
>>> > components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all
>>> > Windows
>>> > Updates AND SP2 install.
>>> >
>>> > I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
>>> > something.
>>> >
>>> > If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will
>>> > reinstalling
>>> > it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI
>>> > driver
>>> > update!
>>> >
>>> > I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>>> >
>>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
>>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>>>
>>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does
>>> fine
>>>
>

Thank you all for replying.

From the top, after my last reply...

Susan:

The DC is not going to shud down in two weeks, as it will be activated and
will "serve" as DC for two more PC (home lab).

The driver was downloaded from Internet and had no problem "allowing" that
content.

I need SBS on a live machine (for various reason). Maybe IT will host some
VM, not the other way around.

Russ:

The card doesn't mention Server 2003 specifically (as 99% of cards don't
mention that anyway). We both know that 2003 and XP have the exact same
driver model.

Yes I've used the card before in SBS, I already said so.

Install didn't go well, because after choosing the first basic options, it
didn't even go on, giving me a WINDOWS message (not a driver specific mesage)
as I mention above.

We also both know that the manufacturer of the card won't even EVER bother
to reply (been there, done that with other hardware).

"Hands-on support software" since it needs explanation (if this has smth to
do with the thread, which I doubt), means it is one of the machines I use to
troubleshoot others by seeing an ACTUAL machine with the ACTUAL OS. Why it is
not a VM as many suggested? Because it is also used as my home server (as
extreme as it may look), since... its there. It has a legit license so why
not.

I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system, but I am
willing to "overlook" that, since I only have a finite number of machines at
home (which is my company's lab "extension" - as happens with many). In fact
a server system has served me (no pun intended) as a desktop for the last 4
years, doing a VERY good job with it. (though it was plain Server 2003, no
SP, no R2, no SBS)

Dave:

I have a good driver. I've used the same download on other machines. The
thing I have already tried (I think I mention it in my other post) is that
indeed I tried installing the driver by "updating" the normal VGA driver. No
it did not enable dual-head, in fact this is what killed even the clone
display I had up to then.

ATI is VERY commonly used in Servers (much more common than nVidia, although
I cannot give statistics). It is up there with on-board intel and (old) S3
solutions.

In I *am* surprised that Catalyst won't work. All the prerequisites are
fulfilled and it just gives me some security error (that I *am* willing to
ignore if it let me).

Russ (again):

No this server is not only used for business. It is not used as gaming
machine either.

If you read below, you will see that I (in some way) followed your advice on
swapping the card.

Yes I will be using SBS also as a workstation. Except the extra services it
runs I don't see a reason why I shouldn't. We are not talking about a company
domain, just my home lab. As I write above, done that with success for years
(in fact the last server never game me even a bit of disturbance "because it
is a server").

I don't see how this parallels with a live grenade in my mouth. Will an ATI
driver mess Exchange service? Will it mess domain schema. I very much doubt
it.

Charlie:

I agree, mentioning SBS will mess things up "on paper" like in fact
happened... in here. When it actually has nothing to do with the problem.

The workaround you mention, is what I (accidentally) did in my first
install. I should have followed... myself and do it again. Can't go back now.

Indeed I know what it means to use a local account (let alone an
administrator) on a DC. Not a problem in my case though as I've explained
above. I am willing to take the (very low in my case) risks.

Anyway thank you all for the replies.

Issue was solved differently: I installed an nVidia card. nVidia drivers
(FULL PACKAGE as available in their site) installed fine. In fact even the
latest beta.

Of course ATI hasn't replied to the ticket at all (and would be 100 times
worse if I in fact contacted the actual card manufacturer).

So consider this issue "closed but not really".