Cannot run ATI Catalyst setup on SBS2003R2SP2

I don't like ATI drivers.

As Charlie said, and you even said that the last time you installed that
driver early on this server is now a DC. ATI drivers want to install
..net stuff. The less of that interference with the .net that SBS wants
and needs, the better.

NLS wrote:
> Thank you all for replying.
>
> From the top, after my last reply...
>
> Susan:
>
> The DC is not going to shud down in two weeks, as it will be activated and
> will "serve" as DC for two more PC (home lab).
>
> The driver was downloaded from Internet and had no problem "allowing" that
> content.
>
> I need SBS on a live machine (for various reason). Maybe IT will host some
> VM, not the other way around.
>
> Russ:
>
> The card doesn't mention Server 2003 specifically (as 99% of cards don't
> mention that anyway). We both know that 2003 and XP have the exact same
> driver model.
>
> Yes I've used the card before in SBS, I already said so.
>
> Install didn't go well, because after choosing the first basic options, it
> didn't even go on, giving me a WINDOWS message (not a driver specific mesage)
> as I mention above.
>
> We also both know that the manufacturer of the card won't even EVER bother
> to reply (been there, done that with other hardware).
>
> "Hands-on support software" since it needs explanation (if this has smth to
> do with the thread, which I doubt), means it is one of the machines I use to
> troubleshoot others by seeing an ACTUAL machine with the ACTUAL OS. Why it is
> not a VM as many suggested? Because it is also used as my home server (as
> extreme as it may look), since... its there. It has a legit license so why
> not.
>
> I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system, but I am
> willing to "overlook" that, since I only have a finite number of machines at
> home (which is my company's lab "extension" - as happens with many). In fact
> a server system has served me (no pun intended) as a desktop for the last 4
> years, doing a VERY good job with it. (though it was plain Server 2003, no
> SP, no R2, no SBS)
>
> Dave:
>
> I have a good driver. I've used the same download on other machines. The
> thing I have already tried (I think I mention it in my other post) is that
> indeed I tried installing the driver by "updating" the normal VGA driver. No
> it did not enable dual-head, in fact this is what killed even the clone
> display I had up to then.
>
> ATI is VERY commonly used in Servers (much more common than nVidia, although
> I cannot give statistics). It is up there with on-board intel and (old) S3
> solutions.
>
> In I *am* surprised that Catalyst won't work. All the prerequisites are
> fulfilled and it just gives me some security error (that I *am* willing to
> ignore if it let me).
>
> Russ (again):
>
> No this server is not only used for business. It is not used as gaming
> machine either.
>
> If you read below, you will see that I (in some way) followed your advice on
> swapping the card.
>
> Yes I will be using SBS also as a workstation. Except the extra services it
> runs I don't see a reason why I shouldn't. We are not talking about a company
> domain, just my home lab. As I write above, done that with success for years
> (in fact the last server never game me even a bit of disturbance "because it
> is a server").
>
> I don't see how this parallels with a live grenade in my mouth. Will an ATI
> driver mess Exchange service? Will it mess domain schema. I very much doubt
> it.
>
> Charlie:
>
> I agree, mentioning SBS will mess things up "on paper" like in fact
> happened... in here. When it actually has nothing to do with the problem.
>
> The workaround you mention, is what I (accidentally) did in my first
> install. I should have followed... myself and do it again. Can't go back now.
>
> Indeed I know what it means to use a local account (let alone an
> administrator) on a DC. Not a problem in my case though as I've explained
> above. I am willing to take the (very low in my case) risks.
>
> Anyway thank you all for the replies.
>
> Issue was solved differently: I installed an nVidia card. nVidia drivers
> (FULL PACKAGE as available in their site) installed fine. In fact even the
> latest beta.
>
> Of course ATI hasn't replied to the ticket at all (and would be 100 times
> worse if I in fact contacted the actual card manufacturer).
>
> So consider this issue "closed but not really".
>
>

RE: I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system.

You are hitting an issue right now about the very basic setup of the server,
and ignoring it in order to do what you want despite 'best advice'.

You're going to use the server as a workstation so I expect you will want
Outlook installed on it _despite_ MS recommendations that O not be installed
on an Exchange Server.

IE browsing from the server with 'IE Enhanced security' enabled is also
gonna tick you off, that's gonna be disabled real soon.

and in order to allow yourself to log on to the server locally you have
raised permissions for the account you use on a daily basis.

Your server is TOAST. Don't ask us what to do with it, you already know what
you want to do. By the time we reply you will have already broken it anyway.

I wish to 'temper' this post with apology. I am not half as hard a'd as I
sound, or maybe I am but just don't wish to appear so :-)

"NLS" <> wrote in message
news:7D3D3CE9-C7DE-4B9A-AE9F-...
> Thank you all for replying.
>
> From the top, after my last reply...
>
> Susan:
>
> The DC is not going to shud down in two weeks, as it will be activated and
> will "serve" as DC for two more PC (home lab).
>
> The driver was downloaded from Internet and had no problem "allowing" that
> content.
>
> I need SBS on a live machine (for various reason). Maybe IT will host some
> VM, not the other way around.
>
> Russ:
>
> The card doesn't mention Server 2003 specifically (as 99% of cards don't
> mention that anyway). We both know that 2003 and XP have the exact same
> driver model.
>
> Yes I've used the card before in SBS, I already said so.
>
> Install didn't go well, because after choosing the first basic options, it
> didn't even go on, giving me a WINDOWS message (not a driver specific
> mesage)
> as I mention above.
>
> We also both know that the manufacturer of the card won't even EVER bother
> to reply (been there, done that with other hardware).
>
> "Hands-on support software" since it needs explanation (if this has smth
> to
> do with the thread, which I doubt), means it is one of the machines I use
> to
> troubleshoot others by seeing an ACTUAL machine with the ACTUAL OS. Why it
> is
> not a VM as many suggested? Because it is also used as my home server (as
> extreme as it may look), since... its there. It has a legit license so why
> not.
>
> I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system, but I
> am
> willing to "overlook" that, since I only have a finite number of machines
> at
> home (which is my company's lab "extension" - as happens with many). In
> fact
> a server system has served me (no pun intended) as a desktop for the last
> 4
> years, doing a VERY good job with it. (though it was plain Server 2003, no
> SP, no R2, no SBS)
>
> Dave:
>
> I have a good driver. I've used the same download on other machines. The
> thing I have already tried (I think I mention it in my other post) is that
> indeed I tried installing the driver by "updating" the normal VGA driver.
> No
> it did not enable dual-head, in fact this is what killed even the clone
> display I had up to then.
>
> ATI is VERY commonly used in Servers (much more common than nVidia,
> although
> I cannot give statistics). It is up there with on-board intel and (old) S3
> solutions.
>
> In I *am* surprised that Catalyst won't work. All the prerequisites are
> fulfilled and it just gives me some security error (that I *am* willing to
> ignore if it let me).
>
> Russ (again):
>
> No this server is not only used for business. It is not used as gaming
> machine either.
>
> If you read below, you will see that I (in some way) followed your advice
> on
> swapping the card.
>
> Yes I will be using SBS also as a workstation. Except the extra services
> it
> runs I don't see a reason why I shouldn't. We are not talking about a
> company
> domain, just my home lab. As I write above, done that with success for
> years
> (in fact the last server never game me even a bit of disturbance "because
> it
> is a server").
>
> I don't see how this parallels with a live grenade in my mouth. Will an
> ATI
> driver mess Exchange service? Will it mess domain schema. I very much
> doubt
> it.
>
> Charlie:
>
> I agree, mentioning SBS will mess things up "on paper" like in fact
> happened... in here. When it actually has nothing to do with the problem.
>
> The workaround you mention, is what I (accidentally) did in my first
> install. I should have followed... myself and do it again. Can't go back
> now.
>
> Indeed I know what it means to use a local account (let alone an
> administrator) on a DC. Not a problem in my case though as I've explained
> above. I am willing to take the (very low in my case) risks.
>
> Anyway thank you all for the replies.
>
> Issue was solved differently: I installed an nVidia card. nVidia drivers
> (FULL PACKAGE as available in their site) installed fine. In fact even the
> latest beta.
>
> Of course ATI hasn't replied to the ticket at all (and would be 100 times
> worse if I in fact contacted the actual card manufacturer).
>
> So consider this issue "closed but not really".
>
>

What Gumby is saying is:

You put a live grenade in your mouth with the pin pulled, it's duct taped in
your mouth
and you have your hands tied behind your back.

Our posts are just trying to prevent you from putting the grenade in your
mouth to begin with..

Russ

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"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> RE: I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system.
>
> You are hitting an issue right now about the very basic setup of the
> server, and ignoring it in order to do what you want despite 'best
> advice'.
>
> You're going to use the server as a workstation so I expect you will want
> Outlook installed on it _despite_ MS recommendations that O not be
> installed on an Exchange Server.
>
> IE browsing from the server with 'IE Enhanced security' enabled is also
> gonna tick you off, that's gonna be disabled real soon.
>
> and in order to allow yourself to log on to the server locally you have
> raised permissions for the account you use on a daily basis.
>
> Your server is TOAST. Don't ask us what to do with it, you already know
> what you want to do. By the time we reply you will have already broken it
> anyway.
>
> I wish to 'temper' this post with apology. I am not half as hard a'd as I
> sound, or maybe I am but just don't wish to appear so :-)
>
> "NLS" <> wrote in message
> news:7D3D3CE9-C7DE-4B9A-AE9F-...
>> Thank you all for replying.
>>
>> From the top, after my last reply...
>>
>> Susan:
>>
>> The DC is not going to shud down in two weeks, as it will be activated
>> and
>> will "serve" as DC for two more PC (home lab).
>>
>> The driver was downloaded from Internet and had no problem "allowing"
>> that
>> content.
>>
>> I need SBS on a live machine (for various reason). Maybe IT will host
>> some
>> VM, not the other way around.
>>
>> Russ:
>>
>> The card doesn't mention Server 2003 specifically (as 99% of cards don't
>> mention that anyway). We both know that 2003 and XP have the exact same
>> driver model.
>>
>> Yes I've used the card before in SBS, I already said so.
>>
>> Install didn't go well, because after choosing the first basic options,
>> it
>> didn't even go on, giving me a WINDOWS message (not a driver specific
>> mesage)
>> as I mention above.
>>
>> We also both know that the manufacturer of the card won't even EVER
>> bother
>> to reply (been there, done that with other hardware).
>>
>> "Hands-on support software" since it needs explanation (if this has smth
>> to
>> do with the thread, which I doubt), means it is one of the machines I use
>> to
>> troubleshoot others by seeing an ACTUAL machine with the ACTUAL OS. Why
>> it is
>> not a VM as many suggested? Because it is also used as my home server (as
>> extreme as it may look), since... its there. It has a legit license so
>> why
>> not.
>>
>> I know very well that a server is not intended as a desktop system, but I
>> am
>> willing to "overlook" that, since I only have a finite number of machines
>> at
>> home (which is my company's lab "extension" - as happens with many). In
>> fact
>> a server system has served me (no pun intended) as a desktop for the last
>> 4
>> years, doing a VERY good job with it. (though it was plain Server 2003,
>> no
>> SP, no R2, no SBS)
>>
>> Dave:
>>
>> I have a good driver. I've used the same download on other machines. The
>> thing I have already tried (I think I mention it in my other post) is
>> that
>> indeed I tried installing the driver by "updating" the normal VGA driver.
>> No
>> it did not enable dual-head, in fact this is what killed even the clone
>> display I had up to then.
>>
>> ATI is VERY commonly used in Servers (much more common than nVidia,
>> although
>> I cannot give statistics). It is up there with on-board intel and (old)
>> S3
>> solutions.
>>
>> In I *am* surprised that Catalyst won't work. All the prerequisites are
>> fulfilled and it just gives me some security error (that I *am* willing
>> to
>> ignore if it let me).
>>
>> Russ (again):
>>
>> No this server is not only used for business. It is not used as gaming
>> machine either.
>>
>> If you read below, you will see that I (in some way) followed your advice
>> on
>> swapping the card.
>>
>> Yes I will be using SBS also as a workstation. Except the extra services
>> it
>> runs I don't see a reason why I shouldn't. We are not talking about a
>> company
>> domain, just my home lab. As I write above, done that with success for
>> years
>> (in fact the last server never game me even a bit of disturbance "because
>> it
>> is a server").
>>
>> I don't see how this parallels with a live grenade in my mouth. Will an
>> ATI
>> driver mess Exchange service? Will it mess domain schema. I very much
>> doubt
>> it.
>>
>> Charlie:
>>
>> I agree, mentioning SBS will mess things up "on paper" like in fact
>> happened... in here. When it actually has nothing to do with the problem.
>>
>> The workaround you mention, is what I (accidentally) did in my first
>> install. I should have followed... myself and do it again. Can't go back
>> now.
>>
>> Indeed I know what it means to use a local account (let alone an
>> administrator) on a DC. Not a problem in my case though as I've explained
>> above. I am willing to take the (very low in my case) risks.
>>
>> Anyway thank you all for the replies.
>>
>> Issue was solved differently: I installed an nVidia card. nVidia drivers
>> (FULL PACKAGE as available in their site) installed fine. In fact even
>> the
>> latest beta.
>>
>> Of course ATI hasn't replied to the ticket at all (and would be 100 times
>> worse if I in fact contacted the actual card manufacturer).
>>
>> So consider this issue "closed but not really".
>>
>>
>
>

Susan Bradley wrote on 04/06/2008 16:35 ET
> SBS has to be a domain controller otherwise it will shut down in two weeks
>
> If the driver was downloaded from the internet, click on properties, an
> then on the tab that allows content from the Internet
>
> I know I'm not answering your question, but you'd be better off wit
> workstation OS and then loading up SBS in a vmware/vpc
>
> NLS wrote
>> Thank you for your reply Susan
>>
>> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help
>>
>> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard VG
>> driver
>> The standard VGA driver is very limited
>>
>> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh)
>> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine
>>
>> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually use
>> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It server
>> as hands-on support software
>>
>> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was
>> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past)
>>
>> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver t
>> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an AT
>> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VG
>> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it again
>>
>> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What prohibit
>> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run th
>> driver normally
>>
>> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message pop
up
>>
>> "Susan Bradley" wrote
>>
>>> NLS wrote
>>>> I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SB
issue
>>>> because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup SBS
>>>>
>>>> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run setu
>>>> with the following error
>>>>
>>>> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting.
>>>>
>>>> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even trie
>>>> "ru
>>>> as" and NOT restricting execution
>>>>
>>>> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setu
succeeded)
>>>> I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installin
>>>> components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after al
Window
>>>> Updates AND SP2 install
>>>>
>>>> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting o
something
>>>>
>>>> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will reinstallin
>>>> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI drive
>>>> update
>>>>
>>>> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs
>>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net
>>>
>>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does fin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
FIGURED IT OUT

So here is what I have done
- Download x64.zip file fro
ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/VGA/ATI/RageXL/x64.zi
- Run/Expand the zip to same director
- DO NOT run the setup file or you will get the error message
"Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting
- Launch Device Mg
- Expand the Video Driver and update Standard Video Drive. Point to director
x64
- The server will need to reboo
- Display settings can be raised from 1024x786(16bit) to 1280x1024(32bit

Note: 1600x1200 (16bit) is available but does not work on mine. If you set i
t
this setting and the video does not come back, connect up a higher resolutio
monitor and set it back.

Good grief. Resurrecting a thread from 2008 on a dead newsgroup? Spare us.

--
Charlie.
http://blogs.msmvps.com/russel


"jonny-law" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Susan Bradley wrote on 04/06/2008 16:35 ET :
>> SBS has to be a domain controller otherwise it will shut down in two
>> weeks.
>>
>> If the driver was downloaded from the internet, click on properties, and
>> then on the tab that allows content from the Internet.
>>
>> I know I'm not answering your question, but you'd be better off with
>> workstation OS and then loading up SBS in a vmware/vpc.
>>
>> NLS wrote:
>>> Thank you for your reply Susan.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately your reply doesn't help.
>>>
>>> The system could not find any specific to ATI driver and used standard
>>> VGA
>>> driver.
>>> The standard VGA driver is very limited:
>>>
>>> - It is VERY slow (2D refresh).
>>> - Doesn't allow for dual monitors that I use on this machine.
>>>
>>> Even though it is an SBS, it is a partner license so it is not actually
>>> used
>>> as a domain controller for a domain or in fact an actual server. It
>>> servers
>>> as hands-on support software.
>>>
>>> The system already has all .net updates and Catalyst software never was
>>> a
>>> problem with any .net updates (on other machines in the past).
>>>
>>> To be honest things are now even worse, since I forced the VGA driver to
>>> update from the Catalyst driver's source folder. Now it KNOWS it is an
>>> ATI
>>> card not generic VGA, but this disabled my second monitor (with the VGA
>>> driver the two monitors mirrored) and I have no option to enable it
>>> again.
>>>
>>> In any case, I need to find the actual source of the problem; What
>>> prohibits
>>> this from running (after the latest updates and SP2) and I need to run
>>> the
>>> driver normally.
>>>
>>> I didn't see any related event in the event viewer. Just this message
>>> pops
> up.
>>>
>>> "Susan Bradley" wrote:
>>>
>>>> NLS wrote:
>>>>> I have also opened a ticket in AMD, but most probably this is an SBS
> issue,
>>>>> because I DID run this same setup earlier today, when I first setup
>>>>> SBS.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my second install on same machine (don't ask why) I couldn't run
>>>>> setup
>>>>> with the following error:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting."
>>>>>
>>>>> I run this setup logged in as the domain administrator. I even tried
>>>>> "run
>>>>> as" and NOT restricting execution.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference is that in the first SBS install (where ATI setup
> succeeded),
>>>>> I run Catalyst setup very early (before even SBS finished installing
>>>>> components), where in this install I tried to run it last, after all
> Windows
>>>>> Updates AND SP2 install.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect it has to do with SP2 and some new security setting or
> something.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is SP2, removing SP2 will take a looooong time as will
>>>>> reinstalling
>>>>> it. After all, it is not something I will have to do with EVERY ATI
>>>>> driver
>>>>> update!
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to setup my VGA card. Please help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If the video card is working, don't install that. Catalyst installs a
>>>> ..net based driver and it causes issues with patching .net.
>>>>
>>>> A server does not need a high quality video driver. Normal VGA does
>>>> fine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> FIGURED IT OUT!
>
> So here is what I have done.
> - Download x64.zip file from
> ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/VGA/ATI/RageXL/x64.zip
> - Run/Expand the zip to same directory
> - DO NOT run the setup file or you will get the error message,
> "Setup will only run in Administrator mode. Setup is aborting"
> - Launch Device Mgr
> - Expand the Video Driver and update Standard Video Drive. Point to
> directory
> x64.
> - The server will need to reboot
> - Display settings can be raised from 1024x786(16bit) to 1280x1024(32bit)
>
> Note: 1600x1200 (16bit) is available but does not work on mine. If you set
> it
> to
> this setting and the video does not come back, connect up a higher
> resolution
> monitor and set it back.

Charlie Russel-MVP wrote:

> Good grief. Resurrecting a thread from 2008 on a dead newsgroup?
> Spare us.

All it shows is that some folks are quicker than others... <eg>

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<grin>

--
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"Steve Foster" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Charlie Russel-MVP wrote:
>
>> Good grief. Resurrecting a thread from 2008 on a dead newsgroup?
>> Spare us.
>
> All it shows is that some folks are quicker than others... <eg>
>
> --
> Steve Foster
> For SSL Certificates, Domains, etc, visit.:
> https://netshop.virtual-isp.net