Cant access updates

Hi -
I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is still
hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can try through
control panel or by going directly to the site. Always says page cannot be
displayed.

This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with Malwarebytes
and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything that seemed
suspicious. This is the second system this has happened to me on. The last
one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the OS. Has anyone else
experienced the same problem and found a solution?

Thank you!!!!!

I should add to the note that I have tried system restore and it won't work.
Acts like it is going to restore then after the system restarts it says it
could not restore. Have tried it with multiple restore dates and none work.

I've also run everything in Safe Mode and same results.

Thanks again

"Michael" <> wrote in message
news:BTrXn.11174$...
> Hi -
> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is still
> hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can try
> through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always says page
> cannot be displayed.
>
> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything that
> seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened to me on.
> The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the OS. Has anyone
> else experienced the same problem and found a solution?
>
> Thank you!!!!!
>

Was the computer fully-patched at Windows Update when the computer got
infected?

Was Avira AntiVir installed before or after the computer got infected?

Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the computer
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?

The above notwithstanding...

NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription had
expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription has
since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at Windows
Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!

Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including unwanted
software), and adware.
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...prid=7552&st=1

Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/

Otherwise...

1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/ma...e/default.mspx

NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.

2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan (only!)
in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm

2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm

3. Now post the requested logs in an appropriate forum for assistance by an
expert in such matters. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!

I can recommend the expert assistance offered in these forums:
http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachi...php?board=10.0,
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php, and
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30

If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.

NB: This newsgroup was scheduled to be removed from the MS newsserver on 01
July. How long it'll still be available (via the MS newsserver) is anyone's
guess.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


Michael wrote:
> I should add to the note that I have tried system restore and it won't
> work.
> Acts like it is going to restore then after the system restarts it says it
> could not restore. Have tried it with multiple restore dates and none
> work.
>
> I've also run everything in Safe Mode and same results.
>
>> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
>> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is still
>> hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can try
>> through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always says page
>> cannot be displayed.
>>
>> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
>> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything that
>> seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened to me on.
>> The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the OS. Has anyone
>> else experienced the same problem and found a solution?

Michael wrote:
> Hi -
> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is
> still hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can
> try through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always
> says page cannot be displayed.
>
> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything
> that seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened
> to me on. The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the
> OS. Has anyone else experienced the same problem and found a
> solution?
> Thank you!!!!!

Since you already have HijackThis, you might as well post to one of the
many Web forums for guidance. Here is a list:

(courtesy of David H. Lipman)

Suggested primary:
http://www.thespykiller.co.uk/index.php?board=3.0

Suggested secondary:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/i...hp?showforum=7

Suggested tertiary:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This is two
now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both subscriptions
were up to date, all windows updates were current. The browswer gets
hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY microsoft page. If I try any
type of spyware removal/antivirus page I get redirected to fake pages. This
is the most frustrating piece of malware I've ever dealt with. I've posted
the HijackThis log but nothing too helpful came from it. None of the AV
programs detect anything so I can't even tell where my problem is. I've
manually scanned every registry entry looking for anything out of the
ordinary and removed anything I though could possibly be related - still no
success. We are an office with about 60 pc's. This has already happened to
two systems. I'd like to find a resolution before it happens to another.
Reformatting 60 systems and preserving everyones data does not sound like a
fun job!

Thanks for the advice


"Daave" <> wrote in message
news:i0vchc$m92$...
> Michael wrote:
>> Hi -
>> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
>> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is
>> still hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can
>> try through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always
>> says page cannot be displayed.
>>
>> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
>> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything
>> that seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened
>> to me on. The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the
>> OS. Has anyone else experienced the same problem and found a
>> solution?
>> Thank you!!!!!
>
> Since you already have HijackThis, you might as well post to one of the
> many Web forums for guidance. Here is a list:
>
> (courtesy of David H. Lipman)
>
> Suggested primary:
> http://www.thespykiller.co.uk/index.php?board=3.0
>
> Suggested secondary:
> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/i...hp?showforum=7
>
> Suggested tertiary:
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
> http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
> http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
> http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
> http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
> http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
> http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
> http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
> http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
> http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
> http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
> http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
> http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
> http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13
>

A recommendation I found at the Internet Explorer newsgroup is Combo-Fix,
which you can download at Bleeping Computer. I believe the procedure is to
disconnect the affected computer from the network, download the program to a
flash drive or a clean computer, copy it to the affected computer, and run
it.

For details, go to the microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general newsgroup.
The header for the posts is "Re: Single-clicking _sometimes_ produces
double-click in IE8," and the first post, by PA Bear, is dated 6/20/10. Look
for the posts by Dan.

Jo-Anne

"Michael" <> wrote in message
news:OYIYn.11156$3%...
> Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This is
> two now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both
> subscriptions were up to date, all windows updates were current. The
> browswer gets hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY microsoft
> page. If I try any type of spyware removal/antivirus page I get
> redirected to fake pages. This is the most frustrating piece of malware
> I've ever dealt with. I've posted the HijackThis log but nothing too
> helpful came from it. None of the AV programs detect anything so I can't
> even tell where my problem is. I've manually scanned every registry entry
> looking for anything out of the ordinary and removed anything I though
> could possibly be related - still no success. We are an office with about
> 60 pc's. This has already happened to two systems. I'd like to find a
> resolution before it happens to another. Reformatting 60 systems and
> preserving everyones data does not sound like a fun job!
>
> Thanks for the advice
>
>
> "Daave" <> wrote in message
> news:i0vchc$m92$...
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Hi -
>>> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
>>> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is
>>> still hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can
>>> try through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always
>>> says page cannot be displayed.
>>>
>>> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
>>> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything
>>> that seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened
>>> to me on. The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the
>>> OS. Has anyone else experienced the same problem and found a
>>> solution?
>>> Thank you!!!!!
>>
>> Since you already have HijackThis, you might as well post to one of the
>> many Web forums for guidance. Here is a list:
>>
>> (courtesy of David H. Lipman)
>>
>> Suggested primary:
>> http://www.thespykiller.co.uk/index.php?board=3.0
>>
>> Suggested secondary:
>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/i...hp?showforum=7
>>
>> Suggested tertiary:
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
>> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
>> http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
>> http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
>> http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
>> http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
>> http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
>> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
>> http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
>> http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
>> http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
>> http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
>> http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
>> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
>> http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
>> http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
>> http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13
>>
>
>

I've never tried ComboFix. I'll do some research on it. When a system is
so far gone that you cant really do anything else, what do I have to lose!!
Thanks for the suggestion


"Jo-Anne" <Jo-> wrote in message
news:i0vrqi$880$...
>A recommendation I found at the Internet Explorer newsgroup is Combo-Fix,
>which you can download at Bleeping Computer. I believe the procedure is to
>disconnect the affected computer from the network, download the program to
>a flash drive or a clean computer, copy it to the affected computer, and
>run it.
>
> For details, go to the microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
> newsgroup. The header for the posts is "Re: Single-clicking _sometimes_
> produces double-click in IE8," and the first post, by PA Bear, is dated
> 6/20/10. Look for the posts by Dan.
>
> Jo-Anne
>
> "Michael" <> wrote in message
> news:OYIYn.11156$3%...
>> Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This is
>> two now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both
>> subscriptions were up to date, all windows updates were current. The
>> browswer gets hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY microsoft
>> page. If I try any type of spyware removal/antivirus page I get
>> redirected to fake pages. This is the most frustrating piece of malware
>> I've ever dealt with. I've posted the HijackThis log but nothing too
>> helpful came from it. None of the AV programs detect anything so I can't
>> even tell where my problem is. I've manually scanned every registry
>> entry looking for anything out of the ordinary and removed anything I
>> though could possibly be related - still no success. We are an office
>> with about 60 pc's. This has already happened to two systems. I'd like
>> to find a resolution before it happens to another. Reformatting 60
>> systems and preserving everyones data does not sound like a fun job!
>>
>> Thanks for the advice
>>
>>
>> "Daave" <> wrote in message
>> news:i0vchc$m92$...
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> Hi -
>>>> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
>>>> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is
>>>> still hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I can
>>>> try through control panel or by going directly to the site. Always
>>>> says page cannot be displayed.
>>>>
>>>> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
>>>> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything
>>>> that seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened
>>>> to me on. The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the
>>>> OS. Has anyone else experienced the same problem and found a
>>>> solution?
>>>> Thank you!!!!!
>>>
>>> Since you already have HijackThis, you might as well post to one of the
>>> many Web forums for guidance. Here is a list:
>>>
>>> (courtesy of David H. Lipman)
>>>
>>> Suggested primary:
>>> http://www.thespykiller.co.uk/index.php?board=3.0
>>>
>>> Suggested secondary:
>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/i...hp?showforum=7
>>>
>>> Suggested tertiary:
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
>>> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
>>> http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
>>> http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
>>> http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
>>> http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
>>> http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
>>> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
>>> http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
>>> http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
>>> http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
>>> http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
>>> http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
>>> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
>>> http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
>>> http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
>>> http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Thank you PA Bear. It definitely appears to be a pretty dangerous bit of
software. I'm our office IT guy or I might not have wanted to attempt it.

Just wanted to give an update to everyone in case they see the situation
sometime. I was pretty leary of ComboFix because couldn't find a lot of
details about it. Was going to reinstall the OS anyway so figured I had
nothing to lose. ComboFix ran, found a rootkit and seems to have completely
fixed the problem. I'm pretty amazed actually. As long as ComboFix didn't
open up some back doors to let in more malware, I'd have to say I will use
it again - but only as a last resort!!!

Thanks for all the help!!!


"PA Bear [MS-MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:e84857ae-e6bf-4f60-b867-...
> I'd like to find a resolution before it happens to another.

Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/dat...lesharing.aspx
http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archiv...-software.aspx

Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx

Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx

Avoid Rogue Security Software!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx


On Jul 6, 12:37 pm, "Michael" <m...@charterinternet.com> wrote:
> Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This is two
> now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both subscriptions
> were up to date, all windows updates were current. The browswer gets
> hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY microsoft page. If I try
> any
> type of spyware removal/antivirus page I get redirected to fake pages.
> This
> is the most frustrating piece of malware I've ever dealt with. I've posted
> the HijackThis log but nothing too helpful came from it. None of the AV
> programs detect anything so I can't even tell where my problem is. I've
> manually scanned every registry entry looking for anything out of the
> ordinary and removed anything I though could possibly be related - still
> no
> success. We are an office with about 60 pc's. This has already happened to
> two systems. I'd like to find a resolution before it happens to another.
> Reformatting 60 systems and preserving everyones data does not sound like
> a
> fun job!
>
> Thanks for the advice

I'm glad it worked for you, Michael!

Jo-Anne

"Michael" <> wrote in message
news:kp5Zn.7704$...
> Thank you PA Bear. It definitely appears to be a pretty dangerous bit of
> software. I'm our office IT guy or I might not have wanted to attempt it.
>
> Just wanted to give an update to everyone in case they see the situation
> sometime. I was pretty leary of ComboFix because couldn't find a lot of
> details about it. Was going to reinstall the OS anyway so figured I had
> nothing to lose. ComboFix ran, found a rootkit and seems to have
> completely fixed the problem. I'm pretty amazed actually. As long as
> ComboFix didn't open up some back doors to let in more malware, I'd have
> to say I will use it again - but only as a last resort!!!
>
> Thanks for all the help!!!
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS-MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:e84857ae-e6bf-4f60-b867-...
>> I'd like to find a resolution before it happens to another.
>
> Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx
>
> Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/dat...lesharing.aspx
> http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archiv...-software.aspx
>
> Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx
>
> Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx
>
> Avoid Rogue Security Software!
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx
>
>
> On Jul 6, 12:37 pm, "Michael" <m...@charterinternet.com> wrote:
>> Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This is two
>> now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both subscriptions
>> were up to date, all windows updates were current. The browswer gets
>> hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY microsoft page. If I try
>> any
>> type of spyware removal/antivirus page I get redirected to fake pages.
>> This
>> is the most frustrating piece of malware I've ever dealt with. I've
>> posted
>> the HijackThis log but nothing too helpful came from it. None of the AV
>> programs detect anything so I can't even tell where my problem is. I've
>> manually scanned every registry entry looking for anything out of the
>> ordinary and removed anything I though could possibly be related - still
>> no
>> success. We are an office with about 60 pc's. This has already happened
>> to
>> two systems. I'd like to find a resolution before it happens to another.
>> Reformatting 60 systems and preserving everyones data does not sound like
>> a
>> fun job!
>>
>> Thanks for the advice
>
>

YW.

It sounds like someone in your office is visiting high-risk Web sites.
If so, it really doesn't matter how many security programs you run.

Michael wrote:
> Thanks. I have given up and reformatted this machine as well. This
> is two now. One was running Avira and the other running AVG. Both
> subscriptions were up to date, all windows updates were current. The
> browswer gets hijacked to the point that I cannot access ANY
> microsoft page. If I try any type of spyware removal/antivirus page
> I get redirected to fake pages. This is the most frustrating piece
> of malware I've ever dealt with. I've posted the HijackThis log but
> nothing too helpful came from it. None of the AV programs detect
> anything so I can't even tell where my problem is. I've manually
> scanned every registry entry looking for anything out of the ordinary
> and removed anything I though could possibly be related - still no
> success. We are an office with about 60 pc's. This has already
> happened to two systems. I'd like to find a resolution before it
> happens to another. Reformatting 60 systems and preserving everyones
> data does not sound like a fun job!
> Thanks for the advice
>
>
> "Daave" <> wrote in message
> news:i0vchc$m92$...
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Hi -
>>> I have a system that I know has some sort of virus or is in some way
>>> hijacked but I can't find the problem. The only way I know it is
>>> still hijacked is that I can no longer access Windows updates. I
>>> can try through control panel or by going directly to the site.
>>> Always says page cannot be displayed.
>>>
>>> This is a Windows XP Pro SP3 system. I've run full scans with
>>> Malwarebytes and Avira. Have also run HijackThis and fixed anything
>>> that seemed suspicious. This is the second system this has happened
>>> to me on. The last one I gave up finally and just reinstalled the
>>> OS. Has anyone else experienced the same problem and found a
>>> solution?
>>> Thank you!!!!!
>>
>> Since you already have HijackThis, you might as well post to one of
>> the many Web forums for guidance. Here is a list:
>>
>> (courtesy of David H. Lipman)
>>
>> Suggested primary:
>> http://www.thespykiller.co.uk/index.php?board=3.0
>>
>> Suggested secondary:
>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/i...hp?showforum=7
>>
>> Suggested tertiary:
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
>> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
>> http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
>> http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
>> http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
>> http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
>> http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
>> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
>> http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
>> http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
>> http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
>> http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
>> http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
>> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
>> http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
>> http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
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