Complaint about update site

Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer problems. In
two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp which was ok
with me. We installed both XP's with little or no problems.now I'm for
redundancy when your deleting a file. But someone should take a look at the
windows update site. After installing fresh windows xp in both computers and
then you go to the windows update site your greeted with a message saying
"Windows update is downloading and installing the updated software". You are
asked twice to install the software update. Saying install once wasn't
enough. The your greeted with the Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool
a 433kb file that after installation requires five, yes five interactions
from the user to complete. Those two updates along takes three windows
update scans, two downloads and seven customer interactions to complete.
Then and only then can you get to the 23 or more updates required after SP2.
Why couldn't Microsoft make those processes a little more painless?

[If you think that's bad, wait till you apply for Social Security and
Medicare benefits.]

Yes, you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to get a new install
fully up-to-date. You can thank the millions who are using pirated copies
of Windows for this.

Understand, too, that some updates require a previous update to be installed
and the machine rebooted before these can be installed.
--
~PA Bear

Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer problems. In
> two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp which was
> ok with me. We installed both XP's with little or no problems.now I'm for
> redundancy when your deleting a file. But someone should take a look at
> the windows update site. After installing fresh windows xp in both
> computers and then you go to the windows update site your greeted with a
> message saying "Windows update is downloading and installing the updated
> software". You are asked twice to install the software update. Saying
> install once wasn't enough. The your greeted with the Windows Genuine
> Advantage Validation Tool a 433kb file that after installation requires
> five, yes five interactions from the user to complete. Those two updates
> along takes three windows update scans, two downloads and seven customer
> interactions to complete. Then and only then can you get to the 23 or
> more updates required after SP2. Why couldn't Microsoft make those
> processes a little more painless?

PA Bear

The social security and Medicare thing will be a few years. I just
thought Microsoft wasted an excessive amount of "continue and install"
buttons on two updates. I have a more serious question for you. I've
download the 23 plus files that both of those computers this weekend
required after SP2 was installed (yes I had nothing to do at work today).
Now that I have them is there a way to install them all without having to
double click on each one accept the EULA, click install, and click don't
restart. Can something like WSUS be adapted to a CDROM to install the
updates one after another. I'm not at all familiar with WSUS so I don't know
the in's and outs of the program. Is there a way to do that?

thanks
Rodger


"PA Bear" <> wrote in message
news:...
> [If you think that's bad, wait till you apply for Social Security and
> Medicare benefits.]
>
> Yes, you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to get a new install
> fully up-to-date. You can thank the millions who are using pirated copies
> of Windows for this.
>
> Understand, too, that some updates require a previous update to be
> installed and the machine rebooted before these can be installed.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
>> Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer problems.
>> In
>> two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp which was
>> ok with me. We installed both XP's with little or no problems.now I'm for
>> redundancy when your deleting a file. But someone should take a look at
>> the windows update site. After installing fresh windows xp in both
>> computers and then you go to the windows update site your greeted with a
>> message saying "Windows update is downloading and installing the updated
>> software". You are asked twice to install the software update. Saying
>> install once wasn't enough. The your greeted with the Windows Genuine
>> Advantage Validation Tool a 433kb file that after installation requires
>> five, yes five interactions from the user to complete. Those two updates
>> along takes three windows update scans, two downloads and seven customer
>> interactions to complete. Then and only then can you get to the 23 or
>> more updates required after SP2. Why couldn't Microsoft make those
>> processes a little more painless?
>

If you've downloaded them at work to install manually on your friends'
machines, you must install each one manually, yes. SUS would require the
machines to be connected to the server.

It'd prolly be better to have enabled Automatic Updates on the machines and
let it take care of what updates each machine should have, rather than you
picking & choosing ones you think they may need.

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525

[As you obviously installed WinXP or WinXP SP1 on these machines, you
could've slipstreamed SP2 onto the CD and saved yourself a lot of time &
agita. <wink>]
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP


Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> PA Bear
>
> The social security and Medicare thing will be a few years. I just
> thought Microsoft wasted an excessive amount of "continue and install"
> buttons on two updates. I have a more serious question for you. I've
> download the 23 plus files that both of those computers this weekend
> required after SP2 was installed (yes I had nothing to do at work today).
> Now that I have them is there a way to install them all without having to
> double click on each one accept the EULA, click install, and click don't
> restart. Can something like WSUS be adapted to a CDROM to install the
> updates one after another. I'm not at all familiar with WSUS so I don't
> know the in's and outs of the program. Is there a way to do that?
>
> thanks
> Rodger
>
>
> "PA Bear" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > [If you think that's bad, wait till you apply for Social Security and
> > Medicare benefits.]
> >
> > Yes, you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to get a new
> > install fully up-to-date. You can thank the millions who are using
> > pirated copies of Windows for this.
> >
> > Understand, too, that some updates require a previous update to be
> > installed and the machine rebooted before these can be installed.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> >
> > Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> > > Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer
> > > problems. In
> > > two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp which
> > > was ok with me. We installed both XP's with little or no problems.now
> > > I'm for redundancy when your deleting a file. But someone should take
> > > a look at the windows update site. After installing fresh windows xp
> > > in both computers and then you go to the windows update site your
> > > greeted with a message saying "Windows update is downloading and
> > > installing the updated software". You are asked twice to install the
> > > software update. Saying install once wasn't enough. The your greeted
> > > with the Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool a 433kb file that
> > > after installation requires five, yes five interactions from the user
> > > to complete. Those two updates along takes three windows update
> > > scans, two downloads and seven customer interactions to complete.
> > > Then and only then can you get to the 23 or more updates required
> > > after SP2. Why couldn't Microsoft make those processes a little more
> > > painless?

PA Bear the 23 I downloaded came from a list that I wrote down while
downloading them on both machines. I just wrote down the knowledge base
number and compiled the list. I did fresh installs on both machines, and
both windows xp included sp1. I had previously downloaded SP2 which I have
on a CD along with windows installer update 3.1, dotnet 1.1 sp1, directx
9.0c, windows media player 10, MSN messenger 7.0, and others. These I
immediately applied to the new windows installation. Some don't want the
dotnet update and the installation tells me so. The 23 I downloaded today
and installed this weekend on the two fresh windows xp sp2 are installed on
the three computers I have here in the office and I will check are probably
installed on my home machines as well. I know there have been at least two
dozen updates to windows xp since sp2. I'm just trying save download time.
Especially if I run into a machine like my mother's who doesn't have a high
speed connection. I would be faster to accept the EULA, click install, check
do not restart, then start the process all over again for the next
installation, then it would be to download and install all the updates over
dialup. Wouldn't you agree?



"PA Bear" <> wrote in message
news:...
> If you've downloaded them at work to install manually on your friends'
> machines, you must install each one manually, yes. SUS would require the
> machines to be connected to the server.
>
> It'd prolly be better to have enabled Automatic Updates on the machines
> and let it take care of what updates each machine should have, rather than
> you picking & choosing ones you think they may need.
>
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
>
> [As you obviously installed WinXP or WinXP SP1 on these machines, you
> could've slipstreamed SP2 onto the CD and saved yourself a lot of time &
> agita. <wink>]
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP
>
>
> Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
>> PA Bear
>>
>> The social security and Medicare thing will be a few years. I just
>> thought Microsoft wasted an excessive amount of "continue and install"
>> buttons on two updates. I have a more serious question for you. I've
>> download the 23 plus files that both of those computers this weekend
>> required after SP2 was installed (yes I had nothing to do at work today).
>> Now that I have them is there a way to install them all without having to
>> double click on each one accept the EULA, click install, and click don't
>> restart. Can something like WSUS be adapted to a CDROM to install the
>> updates one after another. I'm not at all familiar with WSUS so I don't
>> know the in's and outs of the program. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>> thanks
>> Rodger
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > [If you think that's bad, wait till you apply for Social Security and
>> > Medicare benefits.]
>> >
>> > Yes, you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to get a new
>> > install fully up-to-date. You can thank the millions who are using
>> > pirated copies of Windows for this.
>> >
>> > Understand, too, that some updates require a previous update to be
>> > installed and the machine rebooted before these can be installed.
>> > --
>> > ~PA Bear
>> >
>> > Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
>> > > Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer
>> > > problems. In
>> > > two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp which
>> > > was ok with me. We installed both XP's with little or no problems.now
>> > > I'm for redundancy when your deleting a file. But someone should take
>> > > a look at the windows update site. After installing fresh windows xp
>> > > in both computers and then you go to the windows update site your
>> > > greeted with a message saying "Windows update is downloading and
>> > > installing the updated software". You are asked twice to install the
>> > > software update. Saying install once wasn't enough. The your greeted
>> > > with the Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool a 433kb file that
>> > > after installation requires five, yes five interactions from the user
>> > > to complete. Those two updates along takes three windows update
>> > > scans, two downloads and seven customer interactions to complete.
>> > > Then and only then can you get to the 23 or more updates required
>> > > after SP2. Why couldn't Microsoft make those processes a little more
>> > > painless?
>

I fully understand what you're doing and why, but WYSIWYG. Yes, installing
updates via dial-up can be slow and time-consuming. Unfortunately, it seems
MS assumes everyone worldwide has broadband access (and has it 24/7).

Note that many post-SP2 updates are cumulative updates so, e.g., you don't
need to install all post-SP2 IE Cumulative Updates, only the most recent
one. Windows/Automatic Update would "know" which ones need to be installed.

You don't have to reboot after installing every update, only when prompted
to do so. Again, Windows/Automatic Update would "know" which ones can be
installed in a batch and whether/when rebooting is called for.

Best of luck.
--
~PA Bear


Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> PA Bear the 23 I downloaded came from a list that I wrote down while
> downloading them on both machines. I just wrote down the knowledge base
> number and compiled the list. I did fresh installs on both machines, and
> both windows xp included sp1. I had previously downloaded SP2 which I have
> on a CD along with windows installer update 3.1, dotnet 1.1 sp1, directx
> 9.0c, windows media player 10, MSN messenger 7.0, and others. These I
> immediately applied to the new windows installation. Some don't want the
> dotnet update and the installation tells me so. The 23 I downloaded today
> and installed this weekend on the two fresh windows xp sp2 are installed
> on the three computers I have here in the office and I will check are
> probably installed on my home machines as well. I know there have been at
> least two dozen updates to windows xp since sp2. I'm just trying save
> download time. Especially if I run into a machine like my mother's who
> doesn't have a high speed connection. I would be faster to accept the
> EULA, click install, check do not restart, then start the process all
> over again for the next installation, then it would be to download and
> install all the updates over dialup. Wouldn't you agree?
>
>
>
> "PA Bear" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > If you've downloaded them at work to install manually on your friends'
> > machines, you must install each one manually, yes. SUS would require
> > the machines to be connected to the server.
> >
> > It'd prolly be better to have enabled Automatic Updates on the machines
> > and let it take care of what updates each machine should have, rather
> > than you picking & choosing ones you think they may need.
> >
> > How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
> >
> > [As you obviously installed WinXP or WinXP SP1 on these machines, you
> > could've slipstreamed SP2 onto the CD and saved yourself a lot of time &
> > agita. <wink>]
> > --
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP
> >
> >
> > Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> > > PA Bear
> > >
> > > The social security and Medicare thing will be a few years. I just
> > > thought Microsoft wasted an excessive amount of "continue and install"
> > > buttons on two updates. I have a more serious question for you. I've
> > > download the 23 plus files that both of those computers this weekend
> > > required after SP2 was installed (yes I had nothing to do at work
> > > today). Now that I have them is there a way to install them all
> > > without having to double click on each one accept the EULA, click
> > > install, and click don't restart. Can something like WSUS be adapted
> > > to a CDROM to install the updates one after another. I'm not at all
> > > familiar with WSUS so I don't know the in's and outs of the program.
> > > Is there a way to do that? thanks
> > > Rodger
> > >
> > >
> > > "PA Bear" <> wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > > [If you think that's bad, wait till you apply for Social Security
> > > > and Medicare benefits.]
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to get a new
> > > > install fully up-to-date. You can thank the millions who are using
> > > > pirated copies of Windows for this.
> > > >
> > > > Understand, too, that some updates require a previous update to be
> > > > installed and the machine rebooted before these can be installed.
> > > > --
> > > > ~PA Bear
> > > >
> > > > Rodger & Tedi MacKendrick wrote:
> > > > > Over the weekend I helped several friends with their computer
> > > > > problems. In
> > > > > two cases they decided they would like to upgrade to windows xp
> > > > > which was ok with me. We installed both XP's with little or no
> > > > > problems.now I'm for redundancy when your deleting a file. But
> > > > > someone should take a look at the windows update site. After
> > > > > installing fresh windows xp in both computers and then you go to
> > > > > the windows update site your greeted with a message saying
> > > > > "Windows update is downloading and installing the updated
> > > > > software". You are asked twice to install the software update.
> > > > > Saying install once wasn't enough. The your greeted with the
> > > > > Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool a 433kb file that after
> > > > > installation requires five, yes five interactions from the user
> > > > > to complete. Those two updates along takes three windows update
> > > > > scans, two downloads and seven customer interactions to complete.
> > > > > Then and only then can you get to the 23 or more updates required
> > > > > after SP2. Why couldn't Microsoft make those processes a little
> > > > > more painless?