Complaints about Windows Live

Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so bleeping
complicated??? I have . I tried to create
, but Live doesn't like passport.com. I tried creating
& was told that I already have a Live account. I'm trying
to set up Messenger so I can use my webcam, but Live is being a major pain in
the ***!!! I just want to start all over again. How do I delete the
& start all over again? The window told me that a
confirmation e-mail was sent to , but I don't know how to
receive the e-mail. I want to try out my webcam, but I can't because Live is
being a major pain in the ***.

You can use any email address AFAIK with WLM. I personally use my gmail
account. There are other IM's that support video too such as Skype and
YIM.


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"pcnerd" <> wrote in message
news:15C59ADA-B5BD-4364-9B96-...
> Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so
> bleeping
> complicated??? I have . I tried to create
> , but Live doesn't like passport.com. I tried
> creating
> & was told that I already have a Live account. I'm
> trying
> to set up Messenger so I can use my webcam, but Live is being a major
> pain in
> the ***!!! I just want to start all over again. How do I delete the
> & start all over again? The window told me that a
> confirmation e-mail was sent to , but I don't know
> how to
> receive the e-mail. I want to try out my webcam, but I can't because
> Live is
> being a major pain in the ***.


You won't need to create a new account, if you have an EXISTING email
account of any of the following types:


or
or .

If you don't have an email account with one of these types, you should
visit http://get.live.com/mail/options and sign up for a new one - opt
for the Windows Live Services (including Hotmail) option.

Then open Messenger.
If Messenger signs in automatically to a passport identity, click on
File, followed by Sign Out.
This will take you back to a sign-in screen.
Type your email account details & password. (If you have an existing
msn, hotmail or live email account, type that email address. Otherwise,
enter details for the account you have just created.)
Tick the boxes to "Remember me", "Remember my password" and "Sign me in
automatically".
Then click on log-in.

This should enable you to use all features of Windows Live Messenger.

The next step will be to abandon the address.
Simply stop using it.

I don't have a web-cam, so I can't advise how to set up or use your
webcam.

I tried my e-mail address - & Live didn't like it. I
tried & Live didn't like it. I finally figured out how
to cancel my (notice the single "s"). I created a new
hotmail account & Live actually liked it! I still don't know if I've set up
the webcam & Messenger correctly.

"locoeng" wrote:

>
> You can use any email address AFAIK with WLM. I personally use my gmail
> account. There are other IM's that support video too such as Skype and
> YIM.
>
>
> --
> locoeng
>
> vista ultimate 32/64 bit dual boot
> gigabyte ep35 ds3r/xfx geforce 8600gt/corsair 520hx
> g.skill ddr ii 800 x2 gigs
> seagate 120gb (ide) x2/wd 750 (sata)
> samsung sh203b sbo3 patched codeking
> pioneer 215l patched mcse
> nec/optiarc 7200s 1.06bt liggy&dee
> lite-on 20a1l bl06 -fb fbl eos eoht 6-
>

> The next step will be to abandon the address.
> Simply stop using it.

I finally figured out how to cancel the . Don't ask me
how. Live sure doesn't make it very easy to close an account.

> Then open Messenger.
> If Messenger signs in automatically to a passport identity, click on
> File, followed by Sign Out.
> This will take you back to a sign-in screen.
> Type your email account details & password. (If you have an existing
> msn, hotmail or live email account, type that email address. Otherwise,
> enter details for the account you have just created.)
> Tick the boxes to "Remember me", "Remember my password" and "Sign me in
> automatically".
> Then click on log-in.

I tried it & it worked!

I still don't know if I have set up Messenger correctly or not. My sister
wants to try Messenger. I hope that she doesn't have the aggravation that I
had.

"Bob Lucas" wrote:

> "pcnerd" <> wrote in message
> news:15C59ADA-B5BD-4364-9B96-...
> > Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so
> > bleeping
> > complicated??? I have . I tried to create
> > , but Live doesn't like passport.com. I tried
> > creating
> > & was told that I already have a Live account. I'm
> > trying
> > to set up Messenger so I can use my webcam, but Live is being a major
> > pain in
> > the ***!!! I just want to start all over again. How do I delete the
> > & start all over again? The window told me that a
> > confirmation e-mail was sent to , but I don't know
> > how to
> > receive the e-mail. I want to try out my webcam, but I can't because
> > Live is
> > being a major pain in the ***.
>
>
> You won't need to create a new account, if you have an EXISTING email
> account of any of the following types:
>
>
> or
> or .
>
> If you don't have an email account with one of these types, you should
> visit http://get.live.com/mail/options and sign up for a new one - opt
> for the Windows Live Services (including Hotmail) option.
>
> Then open Messenger.
> If Messenger signs in automatically to a passport identity, click on
> File, followed by Sign Out.
> This will take you back to a sign-in screen.
> Type your email account details & password. (If you have an existing
> msn, hotmail or live email account, type that email address. Otherwise,
> enter details for the account you have just created.)
> Tick the boxes to "Remember me", "Remember my password" and "Sign me in
> automatically".
> Then click on log-in.
>
> This should enable you to use all features of Windows Live Messenger.
>
> The next step will be to abandon the address.
> Simply stop using it.
>
> I don't have a web-cam, so I can't advise how to set up or use your
> webcam.
>
>

Setting up a webcam w/WLM ~ 'How to set up a webcam'
(http://www.which.co.uk/advice/how-to...bcam/index.jsp)


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gigabyte ep35 ds3r/xfx geforce 8600gt/corsair 520hx
g.skill ddr ii 800 x2 gigs
seagate 120gb (ide) x2/wd 750 (sata)
samsung sh203b sbo3 patched codeking
pioneer 215l patched mcse
nec/optiarc 7200s 1.06bt liggy&dee
lite-on 20a1l bl06 -fb fbl eos eoht 6-

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:17:01 -0700, pcnerd wrote:

> Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so bleeping
> complicated???

I have several accounts registered with Windows Live Messenger. Some are in
the Windwos Live domains; 'hotmail.com', 'live.com', or 'msn.com'. A couple
are not; 'aosake.net'. The latter is more difficult because Windows Live
wants to verify that you are authorized to create an account on a third
party domain; they will send an email to the email address you give, and
only activate the account on receipt of an activation request from that
account.

> I have .

Do you? Really? A 'Whois' lookup on that domain show:

| Registrant:
| PASport
| 307 Bridgeway
| Sausalito, CA 94966
| US
|
| Domain Name: PASPORT.COM

So the domain exists. If you have no email account with them, the Windows
Live activation email will hit their server; may "bounce" (account doesn't
exist), or not (somebody else actually has that account with them, or they
have a "catchall" mailbox which collects email with typographical errors).

> I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.

Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts

> How do I delete the & start all over again?

If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.

> The window told me that a confirmation e-mail was sent to
> , but I don't know how to receive the e-mail.

If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

> I have several accounts registered with Windows Live Messenger. Some are in
> the Windwos Live domains; 'hotmail.com', 'live.com', or 'msn.com'. A couple
> are not; 'aosake.net'. The latter is more difficult because Windows Live
> wants to verify that you are authorized to create an account on a third
> party domain; they will send an email to the email address you give, and
> only activate the account on receipt of an activation request from that
> account.

I don't understand it, but I wasn't able to use & I
wasn't able to use . Somehow, I found out how to close
. Don't ask me how. I got lucky. I don't know if I could
reproduce what I did to cancel the account. I sent an e-mail to my sister &
told her that I created a hotmail account. This morning, when I started my
PC, I got an e-mail from her on my hotmail account! So, something must be
working right.

> > I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.
>
> Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts

Then why is passport.com listed on the signup/registration page, along with
msn.com, hotmail.com & live.com?

I still think that Messenger is very difficult to set up. It should be
simplified.

"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:17:01 -0700, pcnerd wrote:
>
> > Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so bleeping
> > complicated???
>
> I have several accounts registered with Windows Live Messenger. Some are in
> the Windwos Live domains; 'hotmail.com', 'live.com', or 'msn.com'. A couple
> are not; 'aosake.net'. The latter is more difficult because Windows Live
> wants to verify that you are authorized to create an account on a third
> party domain; they will send an email to the email address you give, and
> only activate the account on receipt of an activation request from that
> account.
>
> > I have .
>
> Do you? Really? A 'Whois' lookup on that domain show:
>
> | Registrant:
> | PASport
> | 307 Bridgeway
> | Sausalito, CA 94966
> | US
> |
> | Domain Name: PASPORT.COM
>
> So the domain exists. If you have no email account with them, the Windows
> Live activation email will hit their server; may "bounce" (account doesn't
> exist), or not (somebody else actually has that account with them, or they
> have a "catchall" mailbox which collects email with typographical errors).
>
> > I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.
>
> Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts
>
> > How do I delete the & start all over again?
>
> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.
>
> > The window told me that a confirmation e-mail was sent to
> > , but I don't know how to receive the e-mail.
>
> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
>

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:08:00 -0700, pcnerd wrote:

> "N. Miller" wrote:

>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:17:01 -0700, pcnerd wrote:

>>> Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so bleeping
>>> complicated???

>> I have several accounts registered with Windows Live Messenger. Some are in
>> the Windwos Live domains; 'hotmail.com', 'live.com', or 'msn.com'. A couple
>> are not; 'aosake.net'. The latter is more difficult because Windows Live
>> wants to verify that you are authorized to create an account on a third
>> party domain; they will send an email to the email address you give, and
>> only activate the account on receipt of an activation request from that
>> account.

> I don't understand it, but I wasn't able to use ...

Verizon partners with MSN. I don't know if that has an impact, or not.

> ... & I wasn't able to use .

I can't find the place to sign up for even an 'msn.com' account, now.

>>> I have .

>> Do you? Really? A 'Whois' lookup on that domain show:

>>| Registrant:
>>| PASport
>>| 307 Bridgeway
>>| Sausalito, CA 94966
>>| US
>>|
>>| Domain Name: PASPORT.COM

>> So the domain exists. If you have no email account with them, the Windows
>> Live activation email will hit their server; may "bounce" (account doesn't
>> exist), or not (somebody else actually has that account with them, or they
>> have a "catchall" mailbox which collects email with typographical errors).

> Somehow, I found out how to close . Don't ask me how.
> I got lucky. I don't know if I could reproduce what I did to cancel the
> account.

You probably didn't do a blessed thing. If you never *had* a 'pasport.com'
account in the first place, MSN never got an account activation
confirmation, because the confirmation information was sent into the
'ether'; nobody at 'pasport.com', which is in Sausalito, California, likely
even looked at it. So MSN killed it, for lack of an activation response.
Prevents malicious actors from signing people up for MSN Passport account
with their knowledge.

> I sent an e-mail to my sister & told her that I created a hotmail account.
> This morning, when I started my PC, I got an e-mail from her on my hotmail
> account! So, something must be working right.

You are just one lucky fella.

>>> I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.

>> Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts

> Then why is passport.com listed on the signup/registration page, along with
> msn.com, hotmail.com & live.com?

Really. When I go here:

https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?rollrs=12&lic=1

....all that they offer is either, 'live.com', or 'hotmail.com'. I don't
recall how I got my 'msn.com' email address, but it wasn't straight off of
the normal sign-up site. And even when I found the 'msn.com' domain,
'passport.com' was not offered.

>>> How do I delete the & start all over again?

>> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.

>>> The window told me that a confirmation e-mail was sent to
>>> , but I don't know how to receive the e-mail.

>> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.

> I still think that Messenger is very difficult to set up. It should be
> simplified.

They can't make it any simpler than it is. If you start at this site:

http://get.live.com/mail/options

You have the choice of signing up for a Hotmail account (you will be offered
either 'hotmail.com', or 'live.com'; no other), or signing up for "Windows
Live services". The latter leads you to download an application installer.

Or you can start here:

https://accountservices.passport.net...vv=600&lc=1033

You can take to options, other than sign up for a Hotmail account:

| Use an e-mail address you already have
| You can use any existing e-mail address from any e-mail provider when you
| create your credentials for Windows Live ID. Then you can use those
| credentials to sign in to any Windows Live ID site.
|
|
| To access e-mail at www.hotmail.com, you must use an MSN or Hotmail e-mail
| address, or an address associated with an MSN Personal Address.
|
| Get started now
|

Where "Get started now" links you to a page to sign up using an existing
email address.

| Sign up for a limited account
| If you don't want to use an e-mail account to access Windows Live ID, you
| can sign up for a limited account. Learn more about limited accounts
|
| Get started now
|

Where "Get started now" links you to a page to sign up for; hmmm. *There* it
is. I'll have to eat some crow, now. This is where the "@passport.com" sign
up is. But it is *not* a functional email address:

| Create credentials
| Enter the e-mail address and password you want to use when you sign in to
| Windows Live ID sites. You can't send or receive e-mail using the address
| below: It's only for use when you sign in. If you forget the password,
| you'll need to sign up for a new account.

Please read that caveat carefully. A 'passport.com' account ***IS NOT*** an
email account! It's only function is to sign in for Windows Live services.

FWIW, I just signed up a new 'passport.com' account, and logged in to
Windows Live Messenger with it. I am just awaiting the result of trying to
send it an email...

So far, no bounce. But trying to sign in to the Hotmail site gets me:

| The e-mail address or password is incorrect. Please try again.

So have at it! <> is the account ID.

Sign up was easy as pie.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

I got this off the Live website:

Have an MSN Hotmail, MSN Messenger, or Passport account? It's your Windows
Live ID.

> I can't find the place to sign up for even an 'msn.com' account, now.

> I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.
>
> Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts.

> Where "Get started now" links you to a page to sign up for; hmmm. *There* it
> is. I'll have to eat some crow, now. This is where the "@passport.com" sign
> up is. But it is *not* a functional email address:

If passport.com is not a functional address, then why is it on the website???

> Please read that caveat carefully. A 'passport.com' account ***IS NOT*** an
> email account! It's only function is to sign in for Windows Live services.
>
> FWIW, I just signed up a new 'passport.com' account, and logged in to
> Windows Live Messenger with it. I am just awaiting the result of trying to
> send it an email...
>
> So far, no bounce. But trying to sign in to the Hotmail site gets me:
>
> | The e-mail address or password is incorrect. Please try again.
>
> So have at it! <> is the account ID.
>
> Sign up was easy as pie.

See what I mean? A person that wants to sign up for a Live account would
think he has 3 choices - MSN Hotmail, MSN Messenger or Passport. I think that
the webmaster should completely redo the Live website. I'm not a PC newbie,
but I got very angry & frustrated when I tried to set up a Live account.

And you say that it couldn't be any simpler.

"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:08:00 -0700, pcnerd wrote:
>
> > "N. Miller" wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:17:01 -0700, pcnerd wrote:
>
> >>> Why does Microsoft have to make creating a Messenger account so bleeping
> >>> complicated???
>
> >> I have several accounts registered with Windows Live Messenger. Some are in
> >> the Windwos Live domains; 'hotmail.com', 'live.com', or 'msn.com'. A couple
> >> are not; 'aosake.net'. The latter is more difficult because Windows Live
> >> wants to verify that you are authorized to create an account on a third
> >> party domain; they will send an email to the email address you give, and
> >> only activate the account on receipt of an activation request from that
> >> account.
>
> > I don't understand it, but I wasn't able to use ...
>
> Verizon partners with MSN. I don't know if that has an impact, or not.
>
> > ... & I wasn't able to use .
>
> I can't find the place to sign up for even an 'msn.com' account, now.
>
> >>> I have .
>
> >> Do you? Really? A 'Whois' lookup on that domain show:
>
> >>| Registrant:
> >>| PASport
> >>| 307 Bridgeway
> >>| Sausalito, CA 94966
> >>| US
> >>|
> >>| Domain Name: PASPORT.COM
>
> >> So the domain exists. If you have no email account with them, the Windows
> >> Live activation email will hit their server; may "bounce" (account doesn't
> >> exist), or not (somebody else actually has that account with them, or they
> >> have a "catchall" mailbox which collects email with typographical errors).
>
> > Somehow, I found out how to close . Don't ask me how.
> > I got lucky. I don't know if I could reproduce what I did to cancel the
> > account.
>
> You probably didn't do a blessed thing. If you never *had* a 'pasport.com'
> account in the first place, MSN never got an account activation
> confirmation, because the confirmation information was sent into the
> 'ether'; nobody at 'pasport.com', which is in Sausalito, California, likely
> even looked at it. So MSN killed it, for lack of an activation response.
> Prevents malicious actors from signing people up for MSN Passport account
> with their knowledge.
>
> > I sent an e-mail to my sister & told her that I created a hotmail account.
> > This morning, when I started my PC, I got an e-mail from her on my hotmail
> > account! So, something must be working right.
>
> You are just one lucky fella.
>
> >>> I tried to create , but Live doesn't like passport.com.
>
> >> Probably because 'passport.com' is not offered for such accounts
>
> > Then why is passport.com listed on the signup/registration page, along with
> > msn.com, hotmail.com & live.com?
>
> Really. When I go here:
>
> https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?rollrs=12&lic=1
>
> ....all that they offer is either, 'live.com', or 'hotmail.com'. I don't
> recall how I got my 'msn.com' email address, but it wasn't straight off of
> the normal sign-up site. And even when I found the 'msn.com' domain,
> 'passport.com' was not offered.
>
> >>> How do I delete the & start all over again?
>
> >> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.
>
> >>> The window told me that a confirmation e-mail was sent to
> >>> , but I don't know how to receive the e-mail.
>
> >> If you don't have an email account with 'pasport.com', you can't.
>
> > I still think that Messenger is very difficult to set up. It should be
> > simplified.
>
> They can't make it any simpler than it is. If you start at this site:
>
> http://get.live.com/mail/options
>
> You have the choice of signing up for a Hotmail account (you will be offered
> either 'hotmail.com', or 'live.com'; no other), or signing up for "Windows
> Live services". The latter leads you to download an application installer.
>
> Or you can start here:
>
> https://accountservices.passport.net...vv=600&lc=1033
>
> You can take to options, other than sign up for a Hotmail account:
>
> | Use an e-mail address you already have
> | You can use any existing e-mail address from any e-mail provider when you
> | create your credentials for Windows Live ID. Then you can use those
> | credentials to sign in to any Windows Live ID site.
> |
> |
> | To access e-mail at www.hotmail.com, you must use an MSN or Hotmail e-mail
> | address, or an address associated with an MSN Personal Address.
> |
> | Get started now
> |
>
> Where "Get started now" links you to a page to sign up using an existing
> email address.
>
> | Sign up for a limited account
> | If you don't want to use an e-mail account to access Windows Live ID, you
> | can sign up for a limited account. Learn more about limited accounts
> |
> | Get started now
> |
>
> Where "Get started now" links you to a page to sign up for; hmmm. *There* it
> is. I'll have to eat some crow, now. This is where the "@passport.com" sign
> up is. But it is *not* a functional email address:
>
> | Create credentials
> | Enter the e-mail address and password you want to use when you sign in to
> | Windows Live ID sites. You can't send or receive e-mail using the address
> | below: It's only for use when you sign in. If you forget the password,
> | you'll need to sign up for a new account.
>
> Please read that caveat carefully. A 'passport.com' account ***IS NOT*** an
> email account! It's only function is to sign in for Windows Live services.
>
> FWIW, I just signed up a new 'passport.com' account, and logged in to
> Windows Live Messenger with it. I am just awaiting the result of trying to
> send it an email...
>
> So far, no bounce. But trying to sign in to the Hotmail site gets me:
>
> | The e-mail address or password is incorrect. Please try again.
>
> So have at it! <> is the account ID.
>
> Sign up was easy as pie.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
>