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John A
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      04-08-2009
I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
with WLM:
c:\documents and settings\john ....
\contacts
It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here

\local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
for each hotmail address

\local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
log in to WL)

Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.

I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
contact lists?

Thank you
 
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...winston
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      04-09-2009
If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore that
contains a file called contacts.edb.
- your contacts are stored in that file.

The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.

E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by earlier
versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.

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"John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
> I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
> I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
> with WLM:
> c:\documents and settings\john ....
> \contacts
> It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
>
> \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
> Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
> for each hotmail address
>
> \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
> Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
> contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
> log in to WL)
>
> Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
> Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
>
> I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
> have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
> contact lists?
>
> Thank you


 
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John A
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      04-09-2009
Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
- if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
so which one?

John

"...winston" wrote:

> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore that
> contains a file called contacts.edb.
> - your contacts are stored in that file.
>
> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
>
> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by earlier
> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
> > with WLM:
> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
> > \contacts
> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
> >
> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
> > for each hotmail address
> >
> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
> > log in to WL)
> >
> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
> >
> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
> > contact lists?
> >
> > Thank you

>
>

 
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...winston
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      04-09-2009
John..
If you sign in to Windows Live in WLM, the program will create two new folders for that Live ID. The registry key will be updated
and those folder names added. The two folders are necessary due to synchronization(one primary folder and one 'shadow' folder).

The default account will still be accessible by not signing in to Windows Live as will its contacts.

Once you create contacts in Windows Live manually in WLM, or in the web interface(contacts.live.com) or import the contact file
*.csv (in WLM or the web interface) synchronization is then possible among WLM, WLMsgr and the web interface.
- its best to approach adding contacts from one interface at a time(In WLM or the web interface)
- if one adds contacts in WLM(while signed in with that Live ID), they will sync 'up' to the server. The easiest method to
force the sync is ensure WLM is in Mail mode, press Control F5 or close WLM and open WLM. Depending upon the quantity of contacts
it may take some time for everything to be written to both locations(the web and local stored contacts.edb files(primary and
shadow).
- if one adds contacts via the web interface, it should be done with WLM closed. Next open of WLM(with that Live ID used for
sign in to Windows Live), a downward sync from the web to WLM will occur. As noted before, depending upon the quantity of contacts
it takes some time to update all files.


- Note: If importing, I suggest using the web interface since it is more robust than the WLM import engine. E.g. One has the
ability to enter multiple email address in a given contact(personal email, other e-mail, work e-mail, and IM address). The WLM
import and export engine can only do **one** email address(personal by design) unlike the web interface which can export and import
all email fields. ! [Maybe/Hopefully the Live Team will fix this imo extremely significant variation/discrepancy in the next
version]

The above WLM limitation thus raises an important issue if your Default contacts contain data in **some or all of those email
fields** and you wish to export that **all those email fields data** to a csv file for import into a Live ID in WLM or the web
interface.
- you can't....but you can copy the contacts.edb file from the default contact folder to the Live ID DBStore primary folder,
replacing the Live ID's contacts.edb file. If following this approach then its best done with zero contacts in the Live ID's web
interface and zero contacts in WLM. To do so, ensure the web interface is closed(ie. close IE), close WLM then copy/replace the
contacts.edb files. The next open of WLM will start the sync upward. Once again, depending upon the quantity, it could take some
time to sync.
Note: The opposite is also possible...one can copy the contacts.edb file from a Live ID DBStore folder to the Default account's
DBStore folder. On next open WLM will load the replaced data.

I should mention, since some folks have difficulty with contacts being stored on a remote server(using a Live ID) one has to choose
what's best for them....ie.. use WLM in the default only mode, a Live ID mode, or both. Other options, as an example, if business
critical contacts are involved is the potential to use a multiple email clients(e.g. Outlook for business and WLM only for Hotmail
type accounts[hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com].

As you should be able to see...there are some benefits in either mode of operation(the Default account or using a Live ID).

Feel free to ask any question on the above if not clear.


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...winston
ms-mvp mail

"John A" <> wrote in message news:FCD413C4-A45A-46BB-B334-...
> Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
> - if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
> so which one?
>
> John
>
> "...winston" wrote:
>
>> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
>> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore
>> that
>> contains a file called contacts.edb.
>> - your contacts are stored in that file.
>>
>> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
>> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
>>
>> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by
>> earlier
>> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
>> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
>> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
>> > with WLM:
>> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
>> > \contacts
>> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
>> >
>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
>> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
>> > for each hotmail address
>> >
>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
>> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
>> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
>> > log in to WL)
>> >
>> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
>> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
>> >
>> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
>> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
>> > contact lists?
>> >
>> > Thank you

>>
>>

 
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John A
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      04-09-2009
Thank you winston

That clears up all my queries about the contact list and how it works. It
is all quite confusing and I am surprised that these differences are not
explained when the program is initially setting up.

Thanks again

John

"...winston" wrote:

> John..
> If you sign in to Windows Live in WLM, the program will create two new folders for that Live ID. The registry key will be updated
> and those folder names added. The two folders are necessary due to synchronization(one primary folder and one 'shadow' folder).
>
> The default account will still be accessible by not signing in to Windows Live as will its contacts.
>
> Once you create contacts in Windows Live manually in WLM, or in the web interface(contacts.live.com) or import the contact file
> *.csv (in WLM or the web interface) synchronization is then possible among WLM, WLMsgr and the web interface.
> - its best to approach adding contacts from one interface at a time(In WLM or the web interface)
> - if one adds contacts in WLM(while signed in with that Live ID), they will sync 'up' to the server. The easiest method to
> force the sync is ensure WLM is in Mail mode, press Control F5 or close WLM and open WLM. Depending upon the quantity of contacts
> it may take some time for everything to be written to both locations(the web and local stored contacts.edb files(primary and
> shadow).
> - if one adds contacts via the web interface, it should be done with WLM closed. Next open of WLM(with that Live ID used for
> sign in to Windows Live), a downward sync from the web to WLM will occur. As noted before, depending upon the quantity of contacts
> it takes some time to update all files.
>
>
> - Note: If importing, I suggest using the web interface since it is more robust than the WLM import engine. E.g. One has the
> ability to enter multiple email address in a given contact(personal email, other e-mail, work e-mail, and IM address). The WLM
> import and export engine can only do **one** email address(personal by design) unlike the web interface which can export and import
> all email fields. ! [Maybe/Hopefully the Live Team will fix this imo extremely significant variation/discrepancy in the next
> version]
>
> The above WLM limitation thus raises an important issue if your Default contacts contain data in **some or all of those email
> fields** and you wish to export that **all those email fields data** to a csv file for import into a Live ID in WLM or the web
> interface.
> - you can't....but you can copy the contacts.edb file from the default contact folder to the Live ID DBStore primary folder,
> replacing the Live ID's contacts.edb file. If following this approach then its best done with zero contacts in the Live ID's web
> interface and zero contacts in WLM. To do so, ensure the web interface is closed(ie. close IE), close WLM then copy/replace the
> contacts.edb files. The next open of WLM will start the sync upward. Once again, depending upon the quantity, it could take some
> time to sync.
> Note: The opposite is also possible...one can copy the contacts.edb file from a Live ID DBStore folder to the Default account's
> DBStore folder. On next open WLM will load the replaced data.
>
> I should mention, since some folks have difficulty with contacts being stored on a remote server(using a Live ID) one has to choose
> what's best for them....ie.. use WLM in the default only mode, a Live ID mode, or both. Other options, as an example, if business
> critical contacts are involved is the potential to use a multiple email clients(e.g. Outlook for business and WLM only for Hotmail
> type accounts[hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com].
>
> As you should be able to see...there are some benefits in either mode of operation(the Default account or using a Live ID).
>
> Feel free to ask any question on the above if not clear.
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "John A" <> wrote in message news:FCD413C4-A45A-46BB-B334-...
> > Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
> > - if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
> > so which one?
> >
> > John
> >
> > "...winston" wrote:
> >
> >> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
> >> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore
> >> that
> >> contains a file called contacts.edb.
> >> - your contacts are stored in that file.
> >>
> >> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
> >> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
> >>
> >> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by
> >> earlier
> >> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ...winston
> >> ms-mvp mail
> >>
> >> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
> >> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
> >> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
> >> > with WLM:
> >> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
> >> > \contacts
> >> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
> >> >
> >> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
> >> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
> >> > for each hotmail address
> >> >
> >> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
> >> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
> >> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
> >> > log in to WL)
> >> >
> >> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
> >> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
> >> >
> >> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
> >> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
> >> > contact lists?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you
> >>
> >>

>

 
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      04-09-2009
P.s.
I almost forgot to mention one important item.
If creating a Live ID...do it via IE, not WLM.
Go to Home.live.com
Click Sign up
Enter the required information
Once done
Logon with the Live ID at mail.live.com or hotmail.live.com
- doing so will ensure your mailbox is setup and all the Hotmail folders
Once done, create the Live ID account in WLM(Tools/Accounts/Add etc)
WLM will prompt to download and sync the account folders(if new they should be blank)

Then you can choose to sign in to Windows Live with that Live ID or continue operating in the default account(all email accounts
will still be accessible either way).
- to access your default accounts contacts, don't sign in
- to access your Live contacts(once you’ve imported, entered, or copied the contacts.edb file) use it to sign in


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"...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
> John..
> If you sign in to Windows Live in WLM, the program will create two new folders for that Live ID. The registry key will be
> updated and those folder names added. The two folders are necessary due to synchronization(one primary folder and one 'shadow'
> folder).
>
> The default account will still be accessible by not signing in to Windows Live as will its contacts.
>
> Once you create contacts in Windows Live manually in WLM, or in the web interface(contacts.live.com) or import the contact file
> *.csv (in WLM or the web interface) synchronization is then possible among WLM, WLMsgr and the web interface.
> - its best to approach adding contacts from one interface at a time(In WLM or the web interface)
> - if one adds contacts in WLM(while signed in with that Live ID), they will sync 'up' to the server. The easiest method to
> force the sync is ensure WLM is in Mail mode, press Control F5 or close WLM and open WLM. Depending upon the quantity of
> contacts it may take some time for everything to be written to both locations(the web and local stored contacts.edb files(primary
> and shadow).
> - if one adds contacts via the web interface, it should be done with WLM closed. Next open of WLM(with that Live ID used for
> sign in to Windows Live), a downward sync from the web to WLM will occur. As noted before, depending upon the quantity of
> contacts it takes some time to update all files.
>
>
> - Note: If importing, I suggest using the web interface since it is more robust than the WLM import engine. E.g. One has the
> ability to enter multiple email address in a given contact(personal email, other e-mail, work e-mail, and IM address). The WLM
> import and export engine can only do **one** email address(personal by design) unlike the web interface which can export and
> import all email fields. ! [Maybe/Hopefully the Live Team will fix this imo extremely significant variation/discrepancy in
> the next version]
>
> The above WLM limitation thus raises an important issue if your Default contacts contain data in **some or all of those email
> fields** and you wish to export that **all those email fields data** to a csv file for import into a Live ID in WLM or the web
> interface.
> - you can't....but you can copy the contacts.edb file from the default contact folder to the Live ID DBStore primary folder,
> replacing the Live ID's contacts.edb file. If following this approach then its best done with zero contacts in the Live ID's web
> interface and zero contacts in WLM. To do so, ensure the web interface is closed(ie. close IE), close WLM then copy/replace the
> contacts.edb files. The next open of WLM will start the sync upward. Once again, depending upon the quantity, it could take some
> time to sync.
> Note: The opposite is also possible...one can copy the contacts.edb file from a Live ID DBStore folder to the Default
> account's DBStore folder. On next open WLM will load the replaced data.
>
> I should mention, since some folks have difficulty with contacts being stored on a remote server(using a Live ID) one has to
> choose what's best for them....ie.. use WLM in the default only mode, a Live ID mode, or both. Other options, as an example, if
> business critical contacts are involved is the potential to use a multiple email clients(e.g. Outlook for business and WLM only
> for Hotmail type accounts[hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com].
>
> As you should be able to see...there are some benefits in either mode of operation(the Default account or using a Live ID).
>
> Feel free to ask any question on the above if not clear.
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "John A" <> wrote in message news:FCD413C4-A45A-46BB-B334-...
>> Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
>> - if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
>> so which one?
>>
>> John
>>
>> "...winston" wrote:
>>
>>> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
>>> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore
>>> that
>>> contains a file called contacts.edb.
>>> - your contacts are stored in that file.
>>>
>>> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
>>> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
>>>
>>> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by
>>> earlier
>>> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ...winston
>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>
>>> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
>>> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
>>> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
>>> > with WLM:
>>> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
>>> > \contacts
>>> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
>>> >
>>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
>>> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
>>> > for each hotmail address
>>> >
>>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
>>> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
>>> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
>>> > log in to WL)
>>> >
>>> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
>>> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
>>> >
>>> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
>>> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
>>> > contact lists?
>>> >
>>> > Thank you
>>>
>>>

 
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      04-09-2009
OK Thanks
John

"...winston" wrote:

> P.s.
> I almost forgot to mention one important item.
> If creating a Live ID...do it via IE, not WLM.
> Go to Home.live.com
> Click Sign up
> Enter the required information
> Once done
> Logon with the Live ID at mail.live.com or hotmail.live.com
> - doing so will ensure your mailbox is setup and all the Hotmail folders
> Once done, create the Live ID account in WLM(Tools/Accounts/Add etc)
> WLM will prompt to download and sync the account folders(if new they should be blank)
>
> Then you can choose to sign in to Windows Live with that Live ID or continue operating in the default account(all email accounts
> will still be accessible either way).
> - to access your default accounts contacts, don't sign in
> - to access your Live contacts(once you’ve imported, entered, or copied the contacts.edb file) use it to sign in
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
> > John..
> > If you sign in to Windows Live in WLM, the program will create two new folders for that Live ID. The registry key will be
> > updated and those folder names added. The two folders are necessary due to synchronization(one primary folder and one 'shadow'
> > folder).
> >
> > The default account will still be accessible by not signing in to Windows Live as will its contacts.
> >
> > Once you create contacts in Windows Live manually in WLM, or in the web interface(contacts.live.com) or import the contact file
> > *.csv (in WLM or the web interface) synchronization is then possible among WLM, WLMsgr and the web interface.
> > - its best to approach adding contacts from one interface at a time(In WLM or the web interface)
> > - if one adds contacts in WLM(while signed in with that Live ID), they will sync 'up' to the server. The easiest method to
> > force the sync is ensure WLM is in Mail mode, press Control F5 or close WLM and open WLM. Depending upon the quantity of
> > contacts it may take some time for everything to be written to both locations(the web and local stored contacts.edb files(primary
> > and shadow).
> > - if one adds contacts via the web interface, it should be done with WLM closed. Next open of WLM(with that Live ID used for
> > sign in to Windows Live), a downward sync from the web to WLM will occur. As noted before, depending upon the quantity of
> > contacts it takes some time to update all files.
> >
> >
> > - Note: If importing, I suggest using the web interface since it is more robust than the WLM import engine. E.g. One has the
> > ability to enter multiple email address in a given contact(personal email, other e-mail, work e-mail, and IM address). The WLM
> > import and export engine can only do **one** email address(personal by design) unlike the web interface which can export and
> > import all email fields. ! [Maybe/Hopefully the Live Team will fix this imo extremely significant variation/discrepancy in
> > the next version]
> >
> > The above WLM limitation thus raises an important issue if your Default contacts contain data in **some or all of those email
> > fields** and you wish to export that **all those email fields data** to a csv file for import into a Live ID in WLM or the web
> > interface.
> > - you can't....but you can copy the contacts.edb file from the default contact folder to the Live ID DBStore primary folder,
> > replacing the Live ID's contacts.edb file. If following this approach then its best done with zero contacts in the Live ID's web
> > interface and zero contacts in WLM. To do so, ensure the web interface is closed(ie. close IE), close WLM then copy/replace the
> > contacts.edb files. The next open of WLM will start the sync upward. Once again, depending upon the quantity, it could take some
> > time to sync.
> > Note: The opposite is also possible...one can copy the contacts.edb file from a Live ID DBStore folder to the Default
> > account's DBStore folder. On next open WLM will load the replaced data.
> >
> > I should mention, since some folks have difficulty with contacts being stored on a remote server(using a Live ID) one has to
> > choose what's best for them....ie.. use WLM in the default only mode, a Live ID mode, or both. Other options, as an example, if
> > business critical contacts are involved is the potential to use a multiple email clients(e.g. Outlook for business and WLM only
> > for Hotmail type accounts[hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com].
> >
> > As you should be able to see...there are some benefits in either mode of operation(the Default account or using a Live ID).
> >
> > Feel free to ask any question on the above if not clear.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ...winston
> > ms-mvp mail
> >
> > "John A" <> wrote in message news:FCD413C4-A45A-46BB-B334-...
> >> Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
> >> - if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
> >> so which one?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> "...winston" wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
> >>> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore
> >>> that
> >>> contains a file called contacts.edb.
> >>> - your contacts are stored in that file.
> >>>
> >>> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
> >>> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
> >>>
> >>> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by
> >>> earlier
> >>> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ...winston
> >>> ms-mvp mail
> >>>
> >>> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
> >>> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
> >>> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
> >>> > with WLM:
> >>> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
> >>> > \contacts
> >>> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
> >>> >
> >>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
> >>> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
> >>> > for each hotmail address
> >>> >
> >>> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
> >>> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
> >>> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
> >>> > log in to WL)
> >>> >
> >>> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
> >>> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
> >>> >
> >>> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
> >>> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
> >>> > contact lists?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you
> >>>
> >>>

>

 
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That would be a challenge!

It might even be more confusing, since the word 'Default' as it pertains to not signing in and its associated contacts is not the
same relative to an email account setup in WLM. Any email account can be the 'default' email account regardless if it’s a Live ID
or not.

To take one step more toward further confusion. The default email account will use either the Default contacts(no Live ID sign) or
the signed-in Live ID contacts.



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"John A" <> wrote in message news:93C153AE-54B6-493D-84E5-...
> Thank you winston
>
> That clears up all my queries about the contact list and how it works. It
> is all quite confusing and I am surprised that these differences are not
> explained when the program is initially setting up.
>
> Thanks again
>
> John
>
> "...winston" wrote:
>
>> John..
>> If you sign in to Windows Live in WLM, the program will create two new folders for that Live ID. The registry key will be
>> updated
>> and those folder names added. The two folders are necessary due to synchronization(one primary folder and one 'shadow' folder).
>>
>> The default account will still be accessible by not signing in to Windows Live as will its contacts.
>>
>> Once you create contacts in Windows Live manually in WLM, or in the web interface(contacts.live.com) or import the contact file
>> *.csv (in WLM or the web interface) synchronization is then possible among WLM, WLMsgr and the web interface.
>> - its best to approach adding contacts from one interface at a time(In WLM or the web interface)
>> - if one adds contacts in WLM(while signed in with that Live ID), they will sync 'up' to the server. The easiest method to
>> force the sync is ensure WLM is in Mail mode, press Control F5 or close WLM and open WLM. Depending upon the quantity of
>> contacts
>> it may take some time for everything to be written to both locations(the web and local stored contacts.edb files(primary and
>> shadow).
>> - if one adds contacts via the web interface, it should be done with WLM closed. Next open of WLM(with that Live ID used for
>> sign in to Windows Live), a downward sync from the web to WLM will occur. As noted before, depending upon the quantity of
>> contacts
>> it takes some time to update all files.
>>
>>
>> - Note: If importing, I suggest using the web interface since it is more robust than the WLM import engine. E.g. One has the
>> ability to enter multiple email address in a given contact(personal email, other e-mail, work e-mail, and IM address). The WLM
>> import and export engine can only do **one** email address(personal by design) unlike the web interface which can export and
>> import
>> all email fields. ! [Maybe/Hopefully the Live Team will fix this imo extremely significant variation/discrepancy in the next
>> version]
>>
>> The above WLM limitation thus raises an important issue if your Default contacts contain data in **some or all of those email
>> fields** and you wish to export that **all those email fields data** to a csv file for import into a Live ID in WLM or the web
>> interface.
>> - you can't....but you can copy the contacts.edb file from the default contact folder to the Live ID DBStore primary folder,
>> replacing the Live ID's contacts.edb file. If following this approach then its best done with zero contacts in the Live ID's
>> web
>> interface and zero contacts in WLM. To do so, ensure the web interface is closed(ie. close IE), close WLM then copy/replace the
>> contacts.edb files. The next open of WLM will start the sync upward. Once again, depending upon the quantity, it could take
>> some
>> time to sync.
>> Note: The opposite is also possible...one can copy the contacts.edb file from a Live ID DBStore folder to the Default
>> account's
>> DBStore folder. On next open WLM will load the replaced data.
>>
>> I should mention, since some folks have difficulty with contacts being stored on a remote server(using a Live ID) one has to
>> choose
>> what's best for them....ie.. use WLM in the default only mode, a Live ID mode, or both. Other options, as an example, if
>> business
>> critical contacts are involved is the potential to use a multiple email clients(e.g. Outlook for business and WLM only for
>> Hotmail
>> type accounts[hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com].
>>
>> As you should be able to see...there are some benefits in either mode of operation(the Default account or using a Live ID).
>>
>> Feel free to ask any question on the above if not clear.
>>
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "John A" <> wrote in message news:FCD413C4-A45A-46BB-B334-...
>> > Thanks winston. That helps me sort it all out! Another associated question
>> > - if I do sign in to WL are the contacts synchronised to a local folder? If
>> > so which one?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > "...winston" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you do not sign in with a Windows Live ID, then you are using the Default contacts.
>> >> That registry key points to the name of the folder for the default contacts. Within that folder is a subfolder called DBstore
>> >> that
>> >> contains a file called contacts.edb.
>> >> - your contacts are stored in that file.
>> >>
>> >> The only contact folder in use for Windows Live Mail and shared with Windows Live Messenger is in your \user
>> >> profile\Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts folder.
>> >>
>> >> E.g. I'm in Vista at this moment. The only other contact folder remaining(I deleted all earlier contact folders created by
>> >> earlier
>> >> versions of WLM and WLMsgr) is the one created by Vista Windows Mail.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ...winston
>> >> ms-mvp mail
>> >>
>> >> "John A" <> wrote in message news:68FDDDBA-CC7A-4788-9621-...
>> >> > I am running WLM 14.0.8064.0206 on XP, and I do not log on to Windows Live.
>> >> > I have the following folders that look like they contain contacts associated
>> >> > with WLM:
>> >> > c:\documents and settings\john ....
>> >> > \contacts
>> >> > It seems that only some hotmail contacts are stored here
>> >> >
>> >> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live contacts
>> >> > Contains three folders referenced in the registry (see below) and a folder
>> >> > for each hotmail address
>> >> >
>> >> > \local settings\applcation data\microsoft\windows live mail\contacts
>> >> > Contains a folders called default and hotmail, which have old individual
>> >> > contact files - maybe these are from when I originally installed WLM and did
>> >> > log in to WL)
>> >> >
>> >> > Registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live
>> >> > Contacts\Database points to folders that are in ...\windows live contacts.
>> >> >
>> >> > I want to back up the contact list and I am not sure which of these folders
>> >> > have to be included. Also why are there so many different locations for
>> >> > contact lists?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you
>> >>
>> >>

>>

 
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you're welcome.

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"John A" <> wrote in message news:8D246BF2-27C0-4CB4-9663-...
> OK Thanks
> John
>
> "...winston" wrote:
>
>> P.s.
>> I almost forgot to mention one important item.
>> If creating a Live ID...do it via IE, not WLM.
>> Go to Home.live.com
>> Click Sign up
>> Enter the required information
>> Once done
>> Logon with the Live ID at mail.live.com or hotmail.live.com
>> - doing so will ensure your mailbox is setup and all the Hotmail folders
>> Once done, create the Live ID account in WLM(Tools/Accounts/Add etc)
>> WLM will prompt to download and sync the account folders(if new they should be blank)
>>
>> Then you can choose to sign in to Windows Live with that Live ID or continue operating in the default account(all email accounts
>> will still be accessible either way).
>> - to access your default accounts contacts, don't sign in
>> - to access your Live contacts(once you’ve imported, entered, or copied the contacts.edb file) use it to sign in



 
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      04-20-2009
Don't change the registry path.
Windows, WLM, and WLMsgr are smart enough to know the registry data and actual location(while they appear differnent) are one and
the same.
Think of the former as a pointer rather than the actual path.

If you create a Live Id and import those contacts into WLM or via the web interface(preferred) are they present in WLM after a Live
sychronization ?
- If so, then you will have the ability to copy that Live ID's contacts.edb file to the Default contacts(no Live ID used for sign
in) DBStore folder and replace the existing Default contacts.edb.

And please, if at all possible, refrain from duplicate posts on the same topic. If responses don't resolve the issue, then contact
support, though its best to have a Windows Live ID to do so..
WLM Support
1. Logon to http://account.live.com using your Windows Live ID, the cut and paste one the following urls to your browsers address
bar, the press the enter key
https://support.live.com/default.asp...=wlmaildesktop
or
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...top&ct=eformts

2. Click on the first item in the left hand pane FAQ List(e.g. click on How do I install and run WLM for the first time) then allow
that item to load in the right hand pane
3. Look in lower right, click on 'Get more Help', allow that page to load
4. Click on 'Get Support', the e-form will load.

Note..Logging one with your Live ID in step 1 at account.live.com should also ensure that your account's Full name and email
address fields are automatically filled in on the e-form


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>
>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> You seems to know a lot about WLM and contact folders for it cause I
> saw your posts all over the net (few forums)
>
> I have upgraded my old Windows Live Mail today to the newest version
> 14.0.8064.0206
>
> All my contacts are gone but thats not a big problem cause I found
> them as well as I have a backup.
>
> The problem is that if a add a new contact or import an old one its
> not being held in WLM
>
> All the contacts keeps deleting on program close.
>
> I use WLM wihout Live ID. Its always logged of. I just liked it for my
> email till today.
>
> I have tried to remove all the contacts folders, restore them as well
> as play with them.
>
> I can add contacts fine and use them till I close the WLM. When I
> close it everything gets deleted.
>
>
> Another funny thing is REGISTRY
>
> Windows Live Contacts/Database still shows
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\Contacts\Default\ with
> the name {a714e847-261a-4c9e-adee-d55a544d4702}
>
> The software really creates this folder in
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\local Settings\Application Data
> \Microsoft\Windows Live Contacts {a714e847-261a-4c9e-adee-
> d55a544d4702}
>
>
> I have tried changing the registry key to point to right folder as
> well as copy the folder content to "old" path shown in the registry.
>
> Either of those ways doesnt show my contacts. I can add them and use
> them unless I close the WLM. Everything gets deleted when I close the
> program.
>
> I have tried deleting the storage folder and the registry keys Windows
> Live Contacts . Everything gets recreated like it was before ;(
>
> Please advise and help.
>
> Michael
>
>

 
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