Correct group for WDM development??

Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?

Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
useful?

Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??

Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
VC++ 5 do?

Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?

Thanks,
Lou.

This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second edition
of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers is
included with the DDK.

You may want to look at
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the paper
explains much of what is needed to get started.



--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
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> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>
> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
> useful?
>
> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>
> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
> VC++ 5 do?
>
> Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou.

Thank you, Don. Still, some seem to recommend the book and others
don't. I'm an experienced programmer, but never written a Windows
driver. and I'm short on money. Is Walter's book necessary?
Lou.

On , "Don Burn" <> wrote:

>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:14 MST
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:53:20 -0400
>Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.development.device.drivers:63677
>
>This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second edition
>of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
>"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
>Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
>drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers is
>included with the DDK.
>
>You may want to look at
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the paper
>explains much of what is needed to get started.
>
>
>
>--
>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
>
>"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
>news: ogers.com...
>> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
>> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>>
>> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
>> useful?
>>
>> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
>> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>>
>> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
>> VC++ 5 do?
>>
>> Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lou.
>
>

Lou,

Walter's book is an excellent introduction to driver development.
Windows drivers are a new programming model, with their own set of API's and
rules, so the learning curve can be high. What is your goal in jumping into
Windows drivers? Do you need to control a specific device? Do you want to
learn this in general? or what?

At a minimum get the DDK, ask questions here and at the newgroups at
http://www.osronline.com, also start reading the papers and materials off
of http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/default.mspx


--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
news: gers.com...
> Thank you, Don. Still, some seem to recommend the book and others
> don't. I'm an experienced programmer, but never written a Windows
> driver. and I'm short on money. Is Walter's book necessary?
> Lou.
>
> On , "Don Burn" <> wrote:
>
>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:14 MST
>>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:53:20 -0400
>>Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com
>>microsoft.public.development.device.drivers:6367 7
>>
>>This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second
>>edition
>>of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
>>"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
>>Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
>>drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers
>>is
>>included with the DDK.
>>
>>You may want to look at
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the
>>paper
>>explains much of what is needed to get started.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>
>>
>>
>>"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
>>news:. rogers.com...
>>> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
>>> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>>>
>>> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
>>> useful?
>>>
>>> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
>>> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>>>
>>> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
>>> VC++ 5 do?
>>>
>>> Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lou.
>>
>>
>

Lou Arnold wrote:
> Thank you, Don. Still, some seem to recommend the book and others
> don't. I'm an experienced programmer, but never written a Windows
> driver. and I'm short on money. Is Walter's book necessary?
> Lou.
>

Yes. But VS6 is not. The ddk is available at a nominal cost and Walter's
book is priced typically for this sort of book. Your startup costs are
under $100. That is pretty damn reasonable.

Without VS you will need some sort of decent program editor that is
cheap(free).

> On , "Don Burn" <> wrote:
>
>
>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:14 MST
>>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:53:20 -0400
>>Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.development.device.drivers:63677
>>
>>This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second edition
>>of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
>>"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
>>Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
>>drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers is
>>included with the DDK.
>>
>>You may want to look at
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the paper
>>explains much of what is needed to get started.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>
>>
>>
>>"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
>>news:. rogers.com...
>>
>>>Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
>>>Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>>>
>>>Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
>>>useful?
>>>
>>>Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
>>>and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>>>
>>>Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
>>>VC++ 5 do?
>>>
>>>Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Lou.
>>
>>
>

> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?

This one is correct.

> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
> useful?

Yes, surely. Very good book.

> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??

It is included in all MSDN Subscriptions.

> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
> VC++ 5 do?

Ask Walter about it. I think 6 is needed.

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation

http://www.storagecraft.com

Hi,

i am also an experienced programmer who is learning to write WDM drivers
for the fun of it, in my own free time.

I tried learning from the windows DDK, but that sucks bigtime. 1000's and
1000's
of pages of dry-as-dust documentation without much storyline.

Walter Oney's book is excellent and really gives you a step by step overview
about
development of WDM drivers.

i use VC60 myself, because i have it available at work, but any editor 'll
do because the
compiler is supplied with the DDK.
there are free editors enough. for linux, unix and BeOS i am addicted to
VIM, which is in
my opinion the best editor ever.

also you might want to register (for free) at www.osronline.com they have
great WDM articles.
they also sell PCI and USB development boards that you can use for learning
how to write
WDM drivers. they are no that expensive either (70-120$)

kind regards,
Bruno.
"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
news: gers.com...
> Thank you, Don. Still, some seem to recommend the book and others
> don't. I'm an experienced programmer, but never written a Windows
> driver. and I'm short on money. Is Walter's book necessary?
> Lou.
>
> On , "Don Burn" <> wrote:
>
>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:14 MST
>>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:53:20 -0400
>>Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com
>>microsoft.public.development.device.drivers:6367 7
>>
>>This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second
>>edition
>>of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
>>"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
>>Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
>>drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers
>>is
>>included with the DDK.
>>
>>You may want to look at
>>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the
>>paper
>>explains much of what is needed to get started.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>
>>
>>
>>"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
>>news:. rogers.com...
>>> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
>>> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>>>
>>> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
>>> useful?
>>>
>>> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
>>> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>>>
>>> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
>>> VC++ 5 do?
>>>
>>> Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lou.
>>
>>
>

Hey Bruno,
Are you sure the dev boards are available for 70$? That
is cheap, I would like to purchase one.
What all places do they ship the board(I meant outside United States)?

Thanks
Vipin

"Bruno van Dooren" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Hi,
>
> i am also an experienced programmer who is learning to write WDM drivers
> for the fun of it, in my own free time.
>
> I tried learning from the windows DDK, but that sucks bigtime. 1000's and
> 1000's
> of pages of dry-as-dust documentation without much storyline.
>
> Walter Oney's book is excellent and really gives you a step by step
overview
> about
> development of WDM drivers.
>
> i use VC60 myself, because i have it available at work, but any editor 'll
> do because the
> compiler is supplied with the DDK.
> there are free editors enough. for linux, unix and BeOS i am addicted to
> VIM, which is in
> my opinion the best editor ever.
>
> also you might want to register (for free) at www.osronline.com they have
> great WDM articles.
> they also sell PCI and USB development boards that you can use for
learning
> how to write
> WDM drivers. they are no that expensive either (70-120$)
>
> kind regards,
> Bruno.
> "Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
> news: gers.com...
> > Thank you, Don. Still, some seem to recommend the book and others
> > don't. I'm an experienced programmer, but never written a Windows
> > driver. and I'm short on money. Is Walter's book necessary?
> > Lou.
> >
> > On , "Don Burn" <> wrote:
> >
> >>NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:54:14 MST
> >>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:53:20 -0400
> >>Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com
> >>microsoft.public.development.device.drivers:6367 7
> >>
> >>This is the discussion group for WDM device drivers. Get the second
> >>edition
> >>of Walter's book, there have been improvements. The DDK you need is the
> >>"Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK", see
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...rderddkcd.mspx for ordering.
> >>Microsoft charges shipping costs only for this DDK. This DDK will build
> >>drivers for 2000, XP and 2003. The compiler needed to build the drivers
> >>is
> >>included with the DDK.
> >>
> >>You may want to look at
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...Dev_Intro.mspx the
> >>paper
> >>explains much of what is needed to get started.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> >>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> >>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Lou Arnold" <> wrote in message
> >>news:. rogers.com...
> >>> Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
> >>> Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
> >>>
> >>> Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
> >>> useful?
> >>>
> >>> Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
> >>> and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
> >>>
> >>> Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
> >>> VC++ 5 do?
> >>>
> >>> Q4: Is there another less expensive way to develop Windows drivers?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Lou.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Undoubtedly great book is walter's. I think the bad part which Walter has
done is, he has used a expensive USB kit to teach.
I tried to get one here and it costs really lot, so all I could do was read
and enjoy till I get into a multinational which would do some
real USB development. What a bad way to do something given his art of
teaching. He should have been more considerate by picking a
cheaper kit which the reader can afford.

My 2 cents of feedback.

Thanks
Vipin

"Maxim S. Shatskih" <> wrote in message
news:...
> > Just wanted to know if this was the right group to discuss Windows
> > Driver Model (WDM) type drivers?? Particularly for Win2K?
>
> This one is correct.
>
> > Q1: Is the book "Programming the Windows Driver Model" by Walter Oney
> > useful?
>
> Yes, surely. Very good book.
>
> > Q2: The MS Windows .Net DDK. IS that still available from Microsoft,
> > and does anyone know the cost? I assume that's necessary??
>
> It is included in all MSDN Subscriptions.
>
> > Q3: Is Visual Studio 6 still required for the book's examples, or will
> > VC++ 5 do?
>
> Ask Walter about it. I think 6 is needed.
>
> --
> Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
> StorageCraft Corporation
>
> http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>

Actually I think he chose what he could find. I know others who have tried
to track down cheaper USB stuff and couldn't. OSR is the first company that
has been successful on this.


--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply



"Vipin" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Undoubtedly great book is walter's. I think the bad part which Walter has
> done is, he has used a expensive USB kit to teach.
> I tried to get one here and it costs really lot, so all I could do was
> read
> and enjoy till I get into a multinational which would do some
> real USB development. What a bad way to do something given his art of
> teaching. He should have been more considerate by picking a
> cheaper kit which the reader can afford.
>
> My 2 cents of feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Vipin
>