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Roland Schweiger
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      09-26-2010
?i use Windows Live Mail Beta 2001
Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)

Everything works relatively ok but did anyone of you have problems
with corrupted folders?

Recently i moved a newly arrived message from my inbox to a privat
sub-folder of the store folder.

Next time i opened WLM, ALL MESSAGES OF THE SUB-FOLDER had the same
content, no matter which one i wanted to use.

After having moved the last message out of the subfolder, no message
of that folder was readable.
I still can see all the titles but then WLM (the german version)
tells me freely translated, that the message could not be found,
the content of the mail could not be found.

I set the compact-folder-option to every 10th time (when closing WLM).

I am surprised that such folder corruptions still orrur.
is there anything one can do about it?

By the way, my os is Windows7 Ultimate 64bit, i have 6GB RAM and an
intel i7 quad-core processor and an asus deluxe p6t mainboard,
so i suppose the hardware is good enough for WLM ;-)
;-))

greetings

Roland Schweiger

 
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Peter.R.
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      10-10-2010
?Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under 'Storage folders'?

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"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare

"Roland Schweiger" <> wrote in message news:i7o75i$t0k$...

> i use Windows Live Mail Beta 2001 Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)
>
> Everything works relatively ok but did anyone of you have problems with corrupted folders?
>
> Recently i moved a newly arrived message from my inbox to a private sub-folder of the store folder.
>
> Next time i opened WLM, ALL MESSAGES OF THE SUB-FOLDER had the same content, no matter which one i wanted to use.
>
> After having moved the last message out of the subfolder, no message of that folder was readable.
> I still can see all the titles but then WLM (the german version) tells me freely translated, that the message could not be found, the content of the mail could not be found.
>
> I set the compact-folder-option to every 10th time (when closing WLM).
>
> I am surprised that such folder corruptions still orrur. is there anything one can do about it?
>
> By the way, my os is Windows7 Ultimate 64bit, i have 6GB RAM and an intel i7 quad-core processor and an asus deluxe p6t mainboard, so i suppose the hardware is good enough for WLM ;-)
> ;-))
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger

 
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Roland Schweiger
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      10-12-2010
?"Peter.R."
?Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under
'Storage folders'?

No they are not.
The corrupt folder was a "normal" subfolder of the storage folder.
The phonomenon was that all messages it that folder suddenly had the
same content.

By the way, what actually does the "recovered items" folder do? What
does it recover?

Im am just wondering if the problem of corrupt folders occurs
frequently
or if i just was unlucky?

I thought that after OutlookExpress they had changed from the .dbx
folder system
in order to overcome these troubles ...

greetings

Roland Schweiger

 
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Magnus
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      10-12-2010
AFAIK, It isn't that that the message or folder corruption is repaired, but
that the message index corruption is repaired. It's akin to the relationship
between a corrupted File Allocation Table (FAT) and the file it points to.

If you were to delete the message index, your messages still remain
retrievable/readable.

"Roland Schweiger" <> wrote in message
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> ?"Peter.R."
> ?Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under
> 'Storage folders'?
>
> No they are not.
> The corrupt folder was a "normal" subfolder of the storage folder.
> The phonomenon was that all messages it that folder suddenly had the same
> content.
>
> By the way, what actually does the "recovered items" folder do? What does
> it recover?
>
> Im am just wondering if the problem of corrupt folders occurs frequently
> or if i just was unlucky?
>
> I thought that after OutlookExpress they had changed from the .dbx folder
> system
> in order to overcome these troubles ...
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger
>
>


 
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Peter.R.
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      10-14-2010
When WLMail finds a message in its Message Store that is not correctly indexed in the database, it 'recovers' it into the 'Recovered items' folder.

This could happen due to corruption of part of the database.

Thus, I was wondering if those messages had been 'recovered' into the 'Recovered items' folder, with the corrupted index still pointing to those messages in the old location...

Look in the WLMail Message Store* for the 'corrupted' messages and open the directly from there. If they open correctly, it is the database that is corrupted, not the message.

If you do find them in the Message Store you can drag them onto the WLMail interface into a new folder. If this works out ok, you can then delete the folder within WLMail that contains the 'corrupted' messages.

*The default Message Store location for Win7 is:

%localappdata%\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail
(C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail)

I think that the database is reindexed when WLMail is first upgraded to v.15x. If there are a lot of messages, it is under quite a bit of stress at that time. Possibly doing too much with WLMail at that time, or shutting it down, might have caused some confusion in the database.

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"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
"Roland Schweiger" <> wrote in message news:i92ctd$5mm$...

> "Peter.R."


>> Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under 'Storage folders'?

>
> No they are not.
> The corrupt folder was a "normal" subfolder of the storage folder.
> The phenomenon was that all messages it that folder suddenly had the same content.
>
> By the way, what actually does the "recovered items" folder do? What does it recover?
>
> I am just wondering if the problem of corrupt folders occurs frequently or if i just was unlucky?
>
> I thought that after OutlookExpress they had changed from the .dbx folder system in order to overcome these troubles ...
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger

 
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Roland Schweiger
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      10-14-2010
?"Peter.R."

>Look in the WLMail Message Store* for the 'corrupted' messages and
>open the directly from there. If they open correctly, it is the
>database that is corrupted, not the message.


>If you do find them in the Message Store you can drag them onto the
>WLMail interface into a new folder. If this works out ok, you can
>then delete the folder within WLMail that contains the 'corrupted'
>messages.




This actually did work, thanks for the information.
As a matter of fact i can drag the messages into any windows folder,
not just the interface of WLM.

So there definately was a problem with the index,
in the store folder there still were many 'imported folders' of
imported folders of imported folders .....
that are a remain of WindowsMail and even OutlookExpress

greetings

Roland Schweiger

 
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Peter.R.
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      10-14-2010
You're welcome Roland.

Something to note about imported folders, it is best not to move folders from one place to another in WLMail, because the folder is not actually moved within the Message Store - it is just re-indexed for the new location. This results in a kind of ordered chaos in the Message Store, which can lead to corruption of the database.

So instead of moving folders out of the 'Imported items' folder, it is best to create new folders and only move the messages into them.

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Peter.R
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"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare

"Roland Schweiger" <> wrote in message news:i976va$tob$...

> "Peter.R."
>
>>Look in the WLMail Message Store* for the 'corrupted' messages and open the directly from there. If they open correctly, it is the database that is corrupted, not the message.
>>
>>If you do find them in the Message Store you can drag them onto the WLMail interface into a new folder. If this works out ok, you can then delete the folder within WLMail that contains the 'corrupted' messages.

>
>
> This actually did work, thanks for the information.
> As a matter of fact i can drag the messages into any windows folder, not just the interface of WLM.
>
> So there definately was a problem with the index, in the store folder there still were many 'imported folders' of imported folders of imported folders ..... that are a remain of WindowsMail and even OutlookExpress
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger

 
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Roland Schweiger
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      10-14-2010
?"Peter.R."
>Something to note about imported folders, it is best not to move
>folders from one place to another in WLMail, because the folder is
>not actually moved within the Message Store - it is just re-indexed
>for the new location. This results in a kind of ordered chaos in the
> >Message Store, which can lead to corruption of the database.


>So instead of moving folders out of the 'Imported items' folder, it
>is best to create new folders and only move the messages into them.



Very true and by looking deeper into the message store folder, i
understood ...
It is definately a good step forward from MS to omitt the old .dbx
database system
and rely more on the NTFS file system mechanism as each eMail (and
news) message
appears to be a single file.

So i was slightly disappointed that indexing problems still occur.

Indeed i have moved many folders out of the "imported messages"
folders and inside the store folder,
i still see the old structure.

Well however it would take me days to create new folders and move all
the messages out and into the new folders,
maybe some work for the cold winter days to come, here in Vienna in
Austria. :-))

:-)

Greetings

Roland Schweiger

 
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Roland Schweiger
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      10-15-2010
?"Al Dunbar"

> If you are manipulating your message store with windows explorer, I
> think you are asking for trouble.




No i certainly did not manipulate the message store folder -
i just looked deeper into it and copied some messages out of it
(the messages that appeared to be lost)
but i did not delete or move one single file in the store folder,
as i believe to understand its fragility :-)

greetings

Roland Schweiger

 
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francesca cosi
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      03-04-2011
Thank you so much, Peter,
I had the same problem and your answer was very useful!
Francesca

> On Sunday, September 26, 2010 3:33 PM Roland Schweiger wrote:


> ?i use Windows Live Mail Beta 2001
> Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)
>
> Everything works relatively ok but did anyone of you have problems
> with corrupted folders?
>
> Recently i moved a newly arrived message from my inbox to a privat
> sub-folder of the store folder.
>
> Next time i opened WLM, ALL MESSAGES OF THE SUB-FOLDER had the same
> content, no matter which one i wanted to use.
>
> After having moved the last message out of the subfolder, no message
> of that folder was readable.
> I still can see all the titles but then WLM (the german version)
> tells me freely translated, that the message could not be found,
> the content of the mail could not be found.
>
> I set the compact-folder-option to every 10th time (when closing WLM).
>
> I am surprised that such folder corruptions still orrur.
> is there anything one can do about it?
>
> By the way, my os is Windows7 Ultimate 64bit, i have 6GB RAM and an
> intel i7 quad-core processor and an asus deluxe p6t mainboard,
> so i suppose the hardware is good enough for WLM ;-)
> ;-))
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger



>> On Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:14 AM Peter.R. wrote:


>> ?Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under 'Storage folders'?
>>
>> --
>> Peter.R
>> (Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8117.416 on Windows 7 Home Premium)
>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare



>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:28 PM Roland Schweiger wrote:


>>> ?"Peter.R."
>>> ?Are the messages within a sub-folder of the 'Recovered items' under
>>> 'Storage folders'?
>>>
>>> No they are not.
>>> The corrupt folder was a "normal" subfolder of the storage folder.
>>> The phonomenon was that all messages it that folder suddenly had the
>>> same content.
>>>
>>> By the way, what actually does the "recovered items" folder do? What
>>> does it recover?
>>>
>>> Im am just wondering if the problem of corrupt folders occurs
>>> frequently
>>> or if i just was unlucky?
>>>
>>> I thought that after OutlookExpress they had changed from the .dbx
>>> folder system
>>> in order to overcome these troubles ...
>>>
>>> greetings
>>>
>>> Roland Schweiger



>>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:00 PM Magnus wrote:


>>>> AFAIK, It is not that that the message or folder corruption is repaired, but
>>>> that the message index corruption is repaired. it is akin to the relationship
>>>> between a corrupted File Allocation Table (FAT) and the file it points to.
>>>>
>>>> If you were to delete the message index, your messages still remain
>>>> retrievable/readable.



>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:21 AM Peter.R. wrote:


>>>>> When WLMail finds a message in its Message Store that is not correctly indexed in the database, it 'recovers' it into the 'Recovered items' folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> This could happen due to corruption of part of the database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, I was wondering if those messages had been 'recovered' into the 'Recovered items' folder, with the corrupted index still pointing to those messages in the old location...
>>>>>
>>>>> Look in the WLMail Message Store* for the 'corrupted' messages and open the directly from there. If they open correctly, it is the database that is corrupted, not the message.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you do find them in the Message Store you can drag them onto the WLMail interface into a new folder. If this works out ok, you can then delete the folder within WLMail that contains the 'corrupted' messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> *The default Message Store location for Win7 is:
>>>>>
>>>>> %localappdata%\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail
>>>>> (C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the database is reindexed when WLMail is first upgraded to v.15x. If there are a lot of messages, it is under quite a bit of stress at that time. Possibly doing too much with WLMail at that time, or shutting it down, might have caused some confusion in the database.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter.R
>>>>> (Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8117.416 on Windows 7 Home Premium)
>>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare



>>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:18 AM Roland Schweiger wrote:


>>>>>> ?"Peter.R."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This actually did work, thanks for the information.
>>>>>> As a matter of fact i can drag the messages into any windows folder,
>>>>>> not just the interface of WLM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there definately was a problem with the index,
>>>>>> in the store folder there istill were many 'imported folders' of
>>>>>> imported folders of imported folders .....
>>>>>> that are a remain of WindowsMail and even OutlookExpress
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roland Schweiger



>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:56 PM Peter.R. wrote:


>>>>>>> You're welcome Roland.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something to note about imported folders, it is best not to move folders from one place to another in WLMail, because the folder is not actually moved within the Message Store - it is just re-indexed for the new location. This results in a kind of ordered chaos in the Message Store, which can lead to corruption of the database.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So instead of moving folders out of the 'Imported items' folder, it is best to create new folders and only move the messages into them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Peter.R
>>>>>>> (Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8117.416 on Windows 7 Home Premium)
>>>>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare



>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:08 PM Roland Schweiger wrote:


>>>>>>>> ?"Peter.R."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very true and by looking deeper into the message store folder, i
>>>>>>>> understood ...
>>>>>>>> It is definately a good step forward from MS to omitt the old .dbx
>>>>>>>> database system
>>>>>>>> and rely more on the NTFS file system mechanism as each eMail (and
>>>>>>>> news) message
>>>>>>>> appears to be a single file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So i was slightly disappointed that indexing problems still occur.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed i have moved many folders out of the "imported messages"
>>>>>>>> folders and inside the store folder,
>>>>>>>> i still see the old structure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well however it would take me days to create new folders and move all
>>>>>>>> the messages out and into the new folders,
>>>>>>>> maybe some work for the cold winter days to come, here in Vienna in
>>>>>>>> Austria. :-))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roland Schweiger



>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:02 PM Al Dunbar wrote:


>>>>>>>>> That is certainly an interesting comment. We once relied on an email system
>>>>>>>>> that worked that way (teamlinks/A1Mail/Storageworks on a DEC Pathworks file
>>>>>>>>> server). People said the same thing: hey, if the email system gets confused,
>>>>>>>>> at least I have all these files here containing messages. Unfortunately,
>>>>>>>>> people would open these in a word processor and damage the internal format,
>>>>>>>>> and/or delete the files whose functions they did not understand, but which
>>>>>>>>> were used by the email system to keep track of the messages...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand the concern about relying on a lightweight database system to
>>>>>>>>> store messages in, but that is how Microsoft Exchange works, and it works
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are manipulating your message store with windows explorer, I think
>>>>>>>>> you are asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Al



>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2010 6:06 AM Roland Schweiger wrote:


>>>>>>>>>> ?"Al Dunbar"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No i certainly did not manipulate the message store folder -
>>>>>>>>>> i just looked deeper into it and copied some messages out of it
>>>>>>>>>> (the messages that appeared to be lost)
>>>>>>>>>> but i did not delete or move one single file in the store folder,
>>>>>>>>>> as i believe to understand its fragility :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roland Schweiger



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