dear microsoft

*irrelevant*


"xfile" <> wrote in message
news:...
> All in all, the mistake is mine.
>
> I thought you and Charlie Tame are MVPs since some MVPs don't put title in
> their sig lines and the fact that both of you provided helps.
>
> So, I thought you two are MVPs.
>
> And my mistake makes the whole post irreverent and I also apologize for
> jumping in.
>
> Gee, I should keep my promise for leaving here.
>
> Sorry again.
>
>
> "dzomlija" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> Technically savvy doesn't mean one has to know how to install or play
>>> with PC OS. I know too many technically savvy engineers and consultants
>>> who don't do OS level things but they know how to use Enterprise
>>> Applications such as SAP ERP for reengineering and BI (business
>>> intelligence) for strategy planning.
>>
>> You're taking that statement I made about technically savvy out of
>> context. Someone of your own expertise should have been able to realize
>> that I was speaking in terms of people who are -Computer Savvy-. I make
>> a correction to my statement, in order to minimize confusion:
>>
>> "If someone isn't _computer_savvy_ enough to realise that Vista is
>> better than XP in many ways, then they are not _computer_savvy_ enough
>> to be able to install another OS correctly.
>>
>> And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but
>> then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very
>> claim of being savvy. "
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> And when I was in consulting and IT industry, I didn't deal with PC OS
>>> or systems. We dealt with multimillion US dollar projects using SCM
>>> (supply chain management) and ERP (enterprise resources planning).
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> So who says technically savvy has to be on low-level PC technologies?
>>> People say that because they have never been exposed to other areas.
>>> Speaking of changes, that's a change many are over due.
>>
>> Again, I say my staement was meant to be read as Computer Savvy.
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> That is exactly the problem that I am having with you and a few other
>>> MVPs. You set the WRONG benchmark - My God.
>>>
>>> If you are using them for your benchmark, you are downgrading yourself
>>> (nothing personal, really). I and lots of others have much higher
>>> expectations to you guys as a professional. How can you not expect
>>> yourself to behave like one?
>>
>> In case you have not noticed - I am not an MVP. I am nothing more than
>> a 20 year "veteran" of Microsoft software that seems to be often
>> misquoted and taken out of context. Oh, well. Win some, lose some. I
>> can't keep everyone hapyy, now can I?
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> Charlie Tame is one of the very few who can see the big picture AND has
>>> the courage to speak out for the best interests of all stakeholders -
>>> Microsoft, customers, and its partners - system builders in this case.
>>
>> I defend Microsoft because they produce quality software, that suits my
>> needs. And I defend the customers who are more often than not being
>> misled by the system builders into purchasing hardware that does not
>> meet the required criteria. And more often than not, Microsoft get the
>> bad rep, because a system builder is a "flawless entity than cannot do
>> any wrong"!
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> The way that some of you are using for treating users and customers will
>>> accomplish nothing but creating even more frustrated users and even
>>> enemies.
>>
>> The only way that I can envisage making enemies by looking out for the
>> best interests of users and customers is when I protect them against the
>> all too common shams that system builders try to shake off on them in
>> order to get rid of old stock.
>>
>> I've been unsuccessfully sued on more than one occasion by a system
>> builder for "loss of profitable revenue" because I spoke out against
>> their practices of selling rubbish to unsuspecting customers. The truth
>> is that system builders do not like technically savvy (oops, Computer
>> Savvy) people walking into their stores, because it means they cannot
>> take advantage of a customer lack of knowledge.
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> In fact, Alias and Linux advocates are not your BIGGEST enemy. People
>>> like Frank consistently insulting frustrated and dissatisfied customers
>>> and users ARE your biggest enemy.
>>>
>>> The put salt on the wound, don't you realize that?
>>
>> You're right, Alias, Tiberious and Frank (amoungst other) are not my
>> bigest enemies. In fact, I don't even know them, let alone what they
>> look like. But are they not the ones spreading frustration by clogging
>> the newsgroups with useless, derogotory, drivel? While my own words are
>> often taken out of context, I at least make an attempt at trying to
>> resolve a problem that someone may be having.
>>
>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>> Those people who really care about you may say things that you don't
>>> want to hear. And people say things that you want to hear may very well
>>> be your biggest enemy!
>>
>> I don't need a philosophy lesson. I know the drill, and it's one I'm
>> all too familiar with:
>>
>> "Keep your enemies close, but keep your friends even closer, because
>> they are the ones who can betray you!" - Unknown Speaker
>>
>>
>> --
>> dzomlija
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
>> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? -And as
>> you die, so shall I be Reborn-...
>>
>> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
>> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
>> - 4GB DDR400
>> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600 PCI-Express
>> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
>> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
>> - Vista Ultimate x64
>> - CodeGear Delphi 2007'http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/'
>> (http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/)
>
>

The mistake made on irreverent which should be *irrelevant* also
demonstrated a perfect example of UAC for not being useful.

As a user, I took the spelling check for granted, and when it pop up, I just
click Yes. Oops, mistake but too late



"xfile" <> wrote in message
news:OdF$...
> *irrelevant*
>
>
> "xfile" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> All in all, the mistake is mine.
>>
>> I thought you and Charlie Tame are MVPs since some MVPs don't put title
>> in their sig lines and the fact that both of you provided helps.
>>
>> So, I thought you two are MVPs.
>>
>> And my mistake makes the whole post irreverent and I also apologize for
>> jumping in.
>>
>> Gee, I should keep my promise for leaving here.
>>
>> Sorry again.
>>
>>
>> "dzomlija" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> Technically savvy doesn't mean one has to know how to install or play
>>>> with PC OS. I know too many technically savvy engineers and consultants
>>>> who don't do OS level things but they know how to use Enterprise
>>>> Applications such as SAP ERP for reengineering and BI (business
>>>> intelligence) for strategy planning.
>>>
>>> You're taking that statement I made about technically savvy out of
>>> context. Someone of your own expertise should have been able to realize
>>> that I was speaking in terms of people who are -Computer Savvy-. I make
>>> a correction to my statement, in order to minimize confusion:
>>>
>>> "If someone isn't _computer_savvy_ enough to realise that Vista is
>>> better than XP in many ways, then they are not _computer_savvy_ enough
>>> to be able to install another OS correctly.
>>>
>>> And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but
>>> then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very
>>> claim of being savvy. "
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> And when I was in consulting and IT industry, I didn't deal with PC OS
>>>> or systems. We dealt with multimillion US dollar projects using SCM
>>>> (supply chain management) and ERP (enterprise resources planning).
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> So who says technically savvy has to be on low-level PC technologies?
>>>> People say that because they have never been exposed to other areas.
>>>> Speaking of changes, that's a change many are over due.
>>>
>>> Again, I say my staement was meant to be read as Computer Savvy.
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> That is exactly the problem that I am having with you and a few other
>>>> MVPs. You set the WRONG benchmark - My God.
>>>>
>>>> If you are using them for your benchmark, you are downgrading yourself
>>>> (nothing personal, really). I and lots of others have much higher
>>>> expectations to you guys as a professional. How can you not expect
>>>> yourself to behave like one?
>>>
>>> In case you have not noticed - I am not an MVP. I am nothing more than
>>> a 20 year "veteran" of Microsoft software that seems to be often
>>> misquoted and taken out of context. Oh, well. Win some, lose some. I
>>> can't keep everyone hapyy, now can I?
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> Charlie Tame is one of the very few who can see the big picture AND has
>>>> the courage to speak out for the best interests of all stakeholders -
>>>> Microsoft, customers, and its partners - system builders in this case.
>>>
>>> I defend Microsoft because they produce quality software, that suits my
>>> needs. And I defend the customers who are more often than not being
>>> misled by the system builders into purchasing hardware that does not
>>> meet the required criteria. And more often than not, Microsoft get the
>>> bad rep, because a system builder is a "flawless entity than cannot do
>>> any wrong"!
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> The way that some of you are using for treating users and customers
>>>> will
>>>> accomplish nothing but creating even more frustrated users and even
>>>> enemies.
>>>
>>> The only way that I can envisage making enemies by looking out for the
>>> best interests of users and customers is when I protect them against the
>>> all too common shams that system builders try to shake off on them in
>>> order to get rid of old stock.
>>>
>>> I've been unsuccessfully sued on more than one occasion by a system
>>> builder for "loss of profitable revenue" because I spoke out against
>>> their practices of selling rubbish to unsuspecting customers. The truth
>>> is that system builders do not like technically savvy (oops, Computer
>>> Savvy) people walking into their stores, because it means they cannot
>>> take advantage of a customer lack of knowledge.
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> In fact, Alias and Linux advocates are not your BIGGEST enemy. People
>>>> like Frank consistently insulting frustrated and dissatisfied customers
>>>> and users ARE your biggest enemy.
>>>>
>>>> The put salt on the wound, don't you realize that?
>>>
>>> You're right, Alias, Tiberious and Frank (amoungst other) are not my
>>> bigest enemies. In fact, I don't even know them, let alone what they
>>> look like. But are they not the ones spreading frustration by clogging
>>> the newsgroups with useless, derogotory, drivel? While my own words are
>>> often taken out of context, I at least make an attempt at trying to
>>> resolve a problem that someone may be having.
>>>
>>> xfile;531099 Wrote:
>>>> Those people who really care about you may say things that you don't
>>>> want to hear. And people say things that you want to hear may very well
>>>> be your biggest enemy!
>>>
>>> I don't need a philosophy lesson. I know the drill, and it's one I'm
>>> all too familiar with:
>>>
>>> "Keep your enemies close, but keep your friends even closer, because
>>> they are the ones who can betray you!" - Unknown Speaker
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> dzomlija
>>>
>>> ____________________________________
>>> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
>>> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? -And as
>>> you die, so shall I be Reborn-...
>>>
>>> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
>>> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
>>> - 4GB DDR400
>>> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600 PCI-Express
>>> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
>>> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
>>> - Vista Ultimate x64
>>> - CodeGear Delphi 2007'http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/'
>>> (http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/)
>>
>>
>
>

"ahok" <> wrote in message
news:2088DD67-16B2-49C4-AD3A-...
> the biggest mistake in my life: migrate from mac to pc !!
>
> I was a mac user. My mac was already obsolute, (after 10 years) and I saw
> the nice ad from microsoft and thought, why don't I give microsoft a
> chance.
> so I bought a new SONY Laptop delievered with VISTA of course and .....
> BANG
> every day crashed, crashed and crashed!!!
>
> So I beg you, Microsoft. DO SOMETHING!!!! your competitor (Mac) can
> deliever
> a nice and stable operating system. what are your ingenieur doing
> everyday?
>
> I will install ubuntu on this damned PC, and enjoy it, until I'll get the
> money to get a NEW MAC again.

I wouldn't,
Sony aren't stupid enough to sell a machine where they all crash every day
so yours is broken.
You need to take it back for repair/replacement and they won't like ubuntu
on there as they won't be able to test it.
By all means try it if you want, but you will probably have to put windows
back.

dzomlija wrote:


Thanks for the support Xfile I do try to see a bigger picture and yes,
will argue with anybody, having re read this thread I don't think any
deliberate insult was intended. I did think so at first so I reacted
pretty harshly, but we all say things differently and interpret things
differently and prolonging this doesn't help the OP.

As for the reference to Visual Studio I know Delphi had been mentioned
but thought VS was also included, if I am mistaken about that I apologize.

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you here mr pig? The pig pen is where you belong...you
>>>>>>>> are stinking up this ng...LOL!
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious, do you really think you're being cute and clever
>>>>>>> with these insulting posts? Do you think anyone laughs out loud
>>>>>>> when they read them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that I'm beginning to own your stupid dumbass in addition to
>>>>>> all the others.
>>>>>> Quite a little corral of losers...LOL!
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank, you're the poster boy for the concept of a "leap in logic".
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not the arrogantly stupid linux lying troll who can't accept the
>>>> fact of what he is...just a lying linux troll.
>>>> Do us all a favor and leave...and this time don't come back.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You're also the poster boy for Usenet posters with no class.
>>
>>
>> You call trolling and openly lying class?
>
>
> I'm not trolling. You're the troll. You have yet to help *one* single
> poster with Vista problems.
>
>> You are really mentally sick aren't you.
>
>
> No, that would be you, as is evidenced by your sick posts.
>
>>>
>>> I already told you that I will be here long after you've crashed and
>>> burned. Having memory problems?
>>
>>
>> I'll live to **** on your grave you fukkin lyin linux loser troll.
>> Frank
>
>
> Charming. How classy.
>
> Alias

Having a problem with the truth? Try more of your "charming" lies ok?
How classy of you.
You're sick and we all know it.
Go fukk yourself you ignorant POS lyin loser.
Frank

dzomlija wrote:
> Roger Van Loon;530548 Wrote:
>
>> dzomlija wrote:
>> Dzomlija,
>> Are you serious or just pulling my leg?
>> Didn't you read my post? Yes, I have a legit XP Pro disk. And, you say
>> you are savvy?
>> I may not be a PC genius, but I'm pretty sure that I have been working
>> with Windows longer than you have (I did use Dos in the old days days).
>> I think you are confusing the VW beetle and the Ferrari.
>> May I quote from a post from someone else (exactly my situation):
>> """"""I would really like to roll back to XP. However, this is not
>> possible unless I format the disk and reinstall everything - this is
>> just not an option...
>> I am therefore seemingly stuck with Vista and its problems.
>> """"""
>> Unless someone savvy cames up with a solution.
>> Roger.
>>
>
> Apologies. I should have said "Purchase a legit XP Home/XP Pro Disk, or
> use the license from one you already have".
>
> I've been up since about 5:30 this morning, and it's now just past
> midnight. I've had a long day. Sorry...
>
> Actually, I was serious. Because to date, I have not seen a solution
> for rolling back from Vista to XP that did not require a reformat of the
> hard disk. Even the major OEMs that provide this option end up telling
> you to format the drive on which Vista was installed. There are
> techniques for doing this IF Vista was originally installed over XP
> using the Upgrade option, but so far these techniques don't work all
> that well, and usually end up with a re-format anyway.
>
> So for now, I'll just say backup your data to DVD, reformat and reload
> Windows XP, and restore your data from the DVDs.
>
> Or continue to use Vista.
>
> OT: And just so you know, I've been using x86 computers since DOS 3.3,
> which came pre-loaded on my first 386SX25. And before that, I was fairly
> good at assembler programming Z80 based computers and devices.
>
>

Sorry, I realize I was somewhat rude myself.
I guess I will have to stick with Vista unless something better (more
user friendly) comes along.

Well maybe they do, but problem is when you want to buy high end or some
special build you are often stuck with default system they give you and its
even worse with Notebooks.
For example on my desktop i have Vista (and it took a lot of patience not
just take whole PC and throw it from window because of UAC and many other
hide things)
For example i do not understand why UAC is even defautly on for
administrator account (clicking OK every 10 seconds was quite annoing).
Other thing i dont like is that wista is accesiing drive for defrag building
indexes and many other things and its usualy doing in not friendly times (at
2AM at night it can do a lot of noice with HDD heads seeking especialy with
several 15k rpm sas drives) i would prefer have easy setings when system
should do all this stuff instead of going thru tens of settings in diferent
parts of system.
Another thing is Vista is limiting my Adaptec Raid performance to
123-125MB/s (gues maybe limiting by controler cache 128Mb ? ) instead of
260-489MB/s it do under older system.
I am not saying Vista is only bad, but there is still many things to work
out in it.

And why its lately so painfull find system without OS so i dont pay for os i
will not use (As SAP administrator i need to work on both unix/linux and
windows to get experience and to be able pass SAP sertification) From 50
diferent notebooks passed my HW requirements only 3 was posible to get
without OS and 2 of them was too much expensive.

There is still one catch i was unable to manage in Vista, how to get acces
to shared folders from other computers and other systems ?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> "Please oh please allow us to get XP on our newer PCs"
> Nothing to allow since people continue to be able to purchase
> computers with windows XP.
> If your computer supplier does not sell computers with windows XP,
> find another that meets your needs.
> Many sell computers with Windows XP including dell, Toshiba and a
> nearly countless number of local shops.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org