Delete Service Packs?

I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I have
both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I need to
keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.

Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
functionality?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

x360joyce wrote:
> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
> have
> both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I need to
> keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.

XP (Home Edition) The System Info says I'm using System Pack 3. But I still
have Pack 2 on my HD and it's huge. Not sure what you mean by Update
functionality...

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
> functionality?
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> x360joyce wrote:
> > I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
> > have
> > both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I need to
> > keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.
>
>

This really has nothing to do with Windows Update. That being said...

Windows Service Packs (e.g., WinXP SP2 and SP3) are not the same as .NET
Framework Service Packs (e.g., .NET Framework 2.0 SP1).

Leave .NET Framework SPs alone but you might wanna checkout
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm.
--
~PA Bear

x360joyce wrote:
> XP (Home Edition) The System Info says I'm using System Pack 3. But I
> still have Pack 2 on my HD and it's huge. Not sure what you mean by
> Update
> functionality...
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
>> functionality?
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> x360joyce wrote:
>>> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
>>> have
>>> both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I need
>>> to
>>> keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.

oh i see. i'm in a windows update forum. you can see i'm new to this. so
you think i have to keep both of the files? it's a new computer and i'm
running office 2007 professional and now i'm out of room. Is there a better
forum to find out if i can delete the older .NET framework service packs?


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> This really has nothing to do with Windows Update. That being said...
>
> Windows Service Packs (e.g., WinXP SP2 and SP3) are not the same as .NET
> Framework Service Packs (e.g., .NET Framework 2.0 SP1).
>
> Leave .NET Framework SPs alone but you might wanna checkout
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> x360joyce wrote:
> > XP (Home Edition) The System Info says I'm using System Pack 3. But I
> > still have Pack 2 on my HD and it's huge. Not sure what you mean by
> > Update
> > functionality...
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
> >> functionality?
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >> x360joyce wrote:
> >>> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
> >>> have
> >>> both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I need
> >>> to
> >>> keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.
>
>

x360joyce wrote:
> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I
> notice I have both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on
> my HD. Do I need to keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both
> say Service Pack 1.

Not the same service packs.
You are thinking of Windows XP service packs when you have specifically
stated the products these service packs are for.

You need these service packs if you have the product installed (and you
would not have the service packs if you did not have the product(s)
installed.) In other words - the simple answer to your question is that you
should not go uninstalling those things.

You need space on your Windows XP Home Edition system - almost guaranteed
the lack of space is more *your* stuff and not the system stuff - unless you
just have an unusually small drive/partition... (Like 8GB or smaller...)

What that means is that you need to do some housekeeping, start storing
stuff on external media, etc.

This will help you clear up what you can.

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
likely you need to copy *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
it.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have "a lot" of stuff to
get rid of. Mostly programs. I got rid of Mozilla today and just run
Explorer and I'm running office 2007 and that's big. I have itunes (but only
a few downloads), and a few other small prgms. My HD IS small. 8GB. I may
have to get a larger one. This sucks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> x360joyce wrote:
> > I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I
> > notice I have both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on
> > my HD. Do I need to keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both
> > say Service Pack 1.
>
> Not the same service packs.
> You are thinking of Windows XP service packs when you have specifically
> stated the products these service packs are for.
>
> You need these service packs if you have the product installed (and you
> would not have the service packs if you did not have the product(s)
> installed.) In other words - the simple answer to your question is that you
> should not go uninstalling those things.
>
> You need space on your Windows XP Home Edition system - almost guaranteed
> the lack of space is more *your* stuff and not the system stuff - unless you
> just have an unusually small drive/partition... (Like 8GB or smaller...)
>
> What that means is that you need to do some housekeeping, start storing
> stuff on external media, etc.
>
> This will help you clear up what you can.
>
> If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
> uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
> ( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
> ( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )
>
> You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
> latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..
>
> How to use Disk Cleanup
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312
>
> You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..
>
> When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
> memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
> file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
> don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
> uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:
>
> - Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
> Control Panel, and click Power Options).
> - Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
> click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
> "System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
> hiberfil.sys file.
> - Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
> tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.
>
> You can control how much space your System Restore can use...
>
> 1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
> 2. Click the System Restore tab.
> 3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
> the "Settings" button.
> 4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
> the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
> 5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.
>
> You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...
>
> Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
> size between 64MB and 128MB..
>
> - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
> - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
> - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
> following:
> - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
> - Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
> something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
> now.)
> - Click OK.
> - Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
> (the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
> minutes or more.)
> - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
> Explorer.
>
> You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
> temporary files and use that to get rid of those:
>
> Ccleaner (Free!)
> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>
> Other ways to free up space..
>
> SequoiaView
> http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/
>
> JDiskReport
> http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html
>
> Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.
>
> In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
> will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
> than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
> likely you need to copy *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
> it.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

Repeat: Don't delete anything having to do with .NET Framework versions.
--
WinXP-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...dowsxp.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

x360joyce wrote:
> oh i see. i'm in a windows update forum. you can see i'm new to this.
> so
> you think i have to keep both of the files? it's a new computer and i'm
> running office 2007 professional and now i'm out of room. Is there a
> better
> forum to find out if i can delete the older .NET framework service packs?
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> This really has nothing to do with Windows Update. That being said...
>>
>> Windows Service Packs (e.g., WinXP SP2 and SP3) are not the same as .NET
>> Framework Service Packs (e.g., .NET Framework 2.0 SP1).
>>
>> Leave .NET Framework SPs alone but you might wanna checkout
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm.
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>> x360joyce wrote:
>>> XP (Home Edition) The System Info says I'm using System Pack 3. But I
>>> still have Pack 2 on my HD and it's huge. Not sure what you mean by
>>> Update
>>> functionality...
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
>>>> functionality?
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>> x360joyce wrote:
>>>>> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
>>>>> have
>>>>> both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I
>>>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.

"x360joyce" <> wrote in message
news:78C764F4-6B0B-48CB-B70E-...
> Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have "a lot" of stuff
> to
> get rid of. Mostly programs. I got rid of Mozilla today and just run
> Explorer and I'm running office 2007 and that's big. I have itunes (but
> only
> a few downloads), and a few other small prgms. My HD IS small. 8GB. I
> may
> have to get a larger one. This sucks.
>

If you don't use all the components of office you could uninstall the bits
you don't need. If you've done a complete install you'll probably have
downloaded templates and spare office assistants you don't use. It can all
be added from disk if you find you need it after all. If you go to control
panel - programs and features you can uninstall parts from there. You'll
need the office disk . Should free up a bit of room for you.

Thanks. Will [not] do.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Repeat: Don't delete anything having to do with .NET Framework versions.
> --
> WinXP-specific newsgroup:
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...dowsxp.general
>
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>
> x360joyce wrote:
> > oh i see. i'm in a windows update forum. you can see i'm new to this.
> > so
> > you think i have to keep both of the files? it's a new computer and i'm
> > running office 2007 professional and now i'm out of room. Is there a
> > better
> > forum to find out if i can delete the older .NET framework service packs?
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> This really has nothing to do with Windows Update. That being said...
> >>
> >> Windows Service Packs (e.g., WinXP SP2 and SP3) are not the same as .NET
> >> Framework Service Packs (e.g., .NET Framework 2.0 SP1).
> >>
> >> Leave .NET Framework SPs alone but you might wanna checkout
> >> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm.
> >> --
> >> ~PA Bear
> >>
> >> x360joyce wrote:
> >>> XP (Home Edition) The System Info says I'm using System Pack 3. But I
> >>> still have Pack 2 on my HD and it's huge. Not sure what you mean by
> >>> Update
> >>> functionality...
> >>>
> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Windows version? How does your question pertain to Windows Update
> >>>> functionality?
> >>>> --
> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>>>
> >>>> x360joyce wrote:
> >>>>> I have a new mini-computer and am running out of HD space. I notice I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> both the MS NETFramework 2.0 AND 3.0 service packs on my HD. Do I
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> keep both of them resident on the HD??? Both say Service Pack 1.
>
>