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zion
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      11-07-2005

I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?

I'm investigating a move to 64-bit computing. Primarily because I,m
sick of memory limits on 32-bit os'es. I have 4 gig sticks of ram on my
system and it only detects 3.75. I am fully aware that 32 bit apps in
the 64 bit environment dont magically improve performance, but I just
want better memory handling for the system (no more out of mem errors
when working on a file that is 1.6gig active memory in ps7 with nothing
esle substantial running). Does Photoshop 7 use a 16 bit installer?
(version 7 is the snappiest), how do you find out if an app is 16 bit
or 32 bit, or it's installer is 16 or 32 bit. Does an application exist
to reveal that kind of data?

I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?


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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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      11-07-2005
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896456
To determine whether a program requires a 16-bit component, install and run
the program. If the program generates an error message, contact the
manufacturer of the program for an update that is compatible with the
x64-based versions of Windows Server 2003 and of Windows XP Professional x64
Edition.

But I suspect you don't have the operating system to find this out. Why not
give the trial a try?:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/6...ion/trial.mspx
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"zion" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
> I'm investigating a move to 64-bit computing. Primarily because I,m
> sick of memory limits on 32-bit os'es. I have 4 gig sticks of ram on my
> system and it only detects 3.75. I am fully aware that 32 bit apps in
> the 64 bit environment dont magically improve performance, but I just
> want better memory handling for the system (no more out of mem errors
> when working on a file that is 1.6gig active memory in ps7 with nothing
> esle substantial running). Does Photoshop 7 use a 16 bit installer?
> (version 7 is the snappiest), how do you find out if an app is 16 bit
> or 32 bit, or it's installer is 16 or 32 bit. Does an application exist
> to reveal that kind of data?
>
> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
>
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      11-07-2005

I need to determine this on a 32 bit system, I don't have a 64-bit
system as yet.


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Colin Barnhorst
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      11-08-2005
You should email the question to Adobe if no users comment here.

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Mercury
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      11-08-2005
Some ideas to try:

Try dumpbin /headers <path>\program-name.exe
dumpbin /? for help
Use the command prompt window that VS provides in its program group as it
puts the executable in the PATH.

Dumpbin comes with Visual Studio.
There may be a freeware utility that will do a similar thing.
(Perhaps the freeware version of Depends.exe
(http://www.dependencywalker.com/))

The first paragraph of output may tell you... if not the first line of the
second...

I am not at a 64bit machine at the moment so can't check.

Can someone else check?


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "zion" <> wrote in message
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>> I need to determine this on a 32 bit system, I don't have a 64-bit
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Kid at PC Support
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      11-08-2005
Well I know for a fact that if you try and run a 16-bit program on the x64 OS
it will produce an error saying it was a 16-bit program, while for 32-bit
programs if you access your task manager [ctrl+alt+delete] and click on
processes it will have a *32 by all the 32-bit programs.

"zion" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
> I'm investigating a move to 64-bit computing. Primarily because I,m
> sick of memory limits on 32-bit os'es. I have 4 gig sticks of ram on my
> system and it only detects 3.75. I am fully aware that 32 bit apps in
> the 64 bit environment dont magically improve performance, but I just
> want better memory handling for the system (no more out of mem errors
> when working on a file that is 1.6gig active memory in ps7 with nothing
> esle substantial running). Does Photoshop 7 use a 16 bit installer?
> (version 7 is the snappiest), how do you find out if an app is 16 bit
> or 32 bit, or it's installer is 16 or 32 bit. Does an application exist
> to reveal that kind of data?
>
> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
>
> --
> zion
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> zion's Profile: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/member.php?u=1523
> View this thread: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=11426
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Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
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      11-08-2005
Hello,
The support tools on the cd in the cab file contain filever.exe.
You can use this to determine what platform a file or files are.

Filever
Prints file version information.

filever [/S] [/V] [/E] [/X] [/B] [/A] [/D] [[drive:][path][filename]]

/S Displays files in specified directory and all subdirectories.
/V List verbose version information if available.
/E List executables only.
/X Displays short names generated for non-8dot3 file names.
/B Uses bare format (no dir listing).
/A Don't display file attributes.
/D Don't display file date and time.

Thanks,
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Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
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      11-08-2005
Hello,
Found the doc I was looking for:

How To Determine what version/platform files are

Filever.exe is a utility that allows you to determine which platform a file
is.
Filever.exe shows you the attributes of a file.
Filever.exe shows the file versions of each file.

Filever.exe ships in the support.cab on the Windows CD.
<cd-rom-drive letter>\support\tools\support.cab

Filever is 32-bit on 32-bit Windows and filever is 64-bit on the Windows
X64 cds.
Switches
filever [/S] [/V] [/E] [/X] [/B] [/A] [/D] [[drive:][path][filename]]

/S Displays files in specified directory and all subdirectories.
/V List verbose version information if available.
/E List executables only.
/X Displays short names generated for non-8dot3 file names.
/B Uses bare format (no dir listing).
/A Don't display file attributes.
/D Don't display file date and time.

The output shown for example: from running filever *.* /B
-rash W32i64 DLL - 5.2.3790.0 shp 9,728 03-25-2003
c:\windows\kbdhept.dll

The first section -rash shows the file attributes: (-rash )There are 5
positions for attributes ( Directory,read-only,archive,system,hidden) They
are always in the same position and multiple attributes can be shown.

The output is virtually the same for the 32-bit and for the 64-bit filever.
The 32-bit filever however is not aware of X64 files so the header is
displayed differently.
32-bit filever.exe will run on 64-bit Windows since it will run in WOW64.
64-bit Filever will not run on 32-bit Windows.

These are the headers in the second position: (W32i64)
Itanium File - W32i64 ( reported the same with 32-it and 64-bit filever)
X64 File - Wx64 (64-bit Filever reports the x64 file header as Wx64
X64 File - W32 (32-bit filever reports x64 file headers as W32 without the
i)
X86 (32-bit) File - W32i ( reported the same with 32-it and 64-bit filever)
16 bit file - W16 ( reported the same with 32-it and 64-bit filever)
MS-DOS - DOS

Type of file: (DLL)

Then there is the language section: (ENU)

The next section is the version of the file: (5.2.3790.0)

The next section shp(shipping) in this example is the shipping version of
the file as opposed to the dbg( debug version). This will be blank on
directories and text files for example.

File Size (9,728)

File Date (03-25-2003)
File Location (c:\windows\kbdhept.dll)


Examples of the various platforms for Windows files.
Both of these files are for the x64 platform files

32-bit filever.exe output for an x64 file
--a-- W32 APP ENU 5.2.3790.1830 shp 88,064 03-24-2005
c:\windows\notepad.exe

64-bit Filever.exe output for an x64 file
--a-- Wx64 APP ENU 5.2.3790.1830 shp 22,016 03-24-2005
C:\windows\rsdiag.exe

Directory, not a file so it's platform idependent.
d---- - - - - - 0 08-31-2005
[c:\Windows\inf]

Text based file so it's platform independent. Note this has the read-only
and archive attributes on as well.
-ra-- - - - - - 7,895 08-23-2001
c:\Windows\inf\1394.inf

This is an Itanium file. Note the file has the read-only, archive, system
and hidden attributes enabled
-rash W32i64 DLL - 5.2.3790.0 shp 9,728 03-25-2003
c:\x64ver\kbdhept.dll

This is a 16-bit Windows file.
--a-- W16 DLL ENU 1.7.0.0 shp 94,784 03-24-2005
c:\x64ver\twain.dll

This is an MS-DOS file:
--a-- DOS - - - - 39,274 8/23/2001 c:\windows\system32\mem.exe

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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Ted
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      11-09-2005
Right click Setup.exe and select Properties,
if it has a Version tab then it is 32 bit.
If it has Compatibility tab then it 16 bit.


"zion" <> wrote in message
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> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
> I'm investigating a move to 64-bit computing. Primarily because I,m
> sick of memory limits on 32-bit os'es. I have 4 gig sticks of ram on my
> system and it only detects 3.75. I am fully aware that 32 bit apps in
> the 64 bit environment dont magically improve performance, but I just
> want better memory handling for the system (no more out of mem errors
> when working on a file that is 1.6gig active memory in ps7 with nothing
> esle substantial running). Does Photoshop 7 use a 16 bit installer?
> (version 7 is the snappiest), how do you find out if an app is 16 bit
> or 32 bit, or it's installer is 16 or 32 bit. Does an application exist
> to reveal that kind of data?
>
> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>
>
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Mercury
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      11-09-2005
Ted,

Programmers can choose not to include version information regardless of
target - a 32 or 64 bit setup program may or may not include version
information regardless.

I would stick with Darrel's answer.




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> if it has a Version tab then it is 32 bit.
> If it has Compatibility tab then it 16 bit.
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> "zion" <> wrote in message
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>> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>>
>> I'm investigating a move to 64-bit computing. Primarily because I,m
>> sick of memory limits on 32-bit os'es. I have 4 gig sticks of ram on my
>> system and it only detects 3.75. I am fully aware that 32 bit apps in
>> the 64 bit environment dont magically improve performance, but I just
>> want better memory handling for the system (no more out of mem errors
>> when working on a file that is 1.6gig active memory in ps7 with nothing
>> esle substantial running). Does Photoshop 7 use a 16 bit installer?
>> (version 7 is the snappiest), how do you find out if an app is 16 bit
>> or 32 bit, or it's installer is 16 or 32 bit. Does an application exist
>> to reveal that kind of data?
>>
>> I just want to use PS7 in 64bit. Is it possible?
>>
>>
>> --
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