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DevilsPGD
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      09-03-2008
We're currently planning an office move, as part of this process we're
expecting our AD and DFS-R file servers to be offline for an unknown
period of time.

My understanding from an AD and DNS point of view is that I need to
bring everything up within the tombstone lifetime, so we'll ensure that
this is done to avoid complications.

Are there any limitations on the DFS-R side of things that may cause
problems if one or more servers are unavailable for an extended period
of time?

The expected outage is anywhere from 1-6 weeks, although we're aiming to
have the last of our servers moved in just under 3 weeks from the first
move.
 
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Rudolf Meier
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      09-03-2008
Hi

> We're currently planning an office move, as part of this process we're
> expecting our AD and DFS-R file servers to be offline for an unknown
> period of time.
>
> My understanding from an AD and DNS point of view is that I need to
> bring everything up within the tombstone lifetime, so we'll ensure that
> this is done to avoid complications.


You have to make a replication of deleted AD objects within this tombstone
lifetime. So this means, that every AD object you will delete on the other
servers, will be recreated after the servers (that were offline) get online
again.

By the way, the default tombstone time is at least 180 days since 2003 SP1
(but only if the AD was created on a sp1 server). Article about this:
http://www.petri.co.il/changing_the_...windows_ad.htm

Maybe it's not a bad time to change this to those 180 days anyway...


> Are there any limitations on the DFS-R side of things that may cause
> problems if one or more servers are unavailable for an extended period
> of time?


That's a good question. I don't know how it works with file-tombstones, but
since R2 came out after SP1, I could imagine, that it's also at least 180
day... but, you could delete the server from the replication set and later
add it again. The system would then check all files and it should quickly
resynchronize the files...

> The expected outage is anywhere from 1-6 weeks, although we're aiming to
> have the last of our servers moved in just under 3 weeks from the first
> move.


Maybe a good idea would be not to make too many changes to important parts
of AD during this time. Like this it should be possible to reduce the
problems...


Rudolf

 
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DevilsPGD
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      09-03-2008
In message <> "Rudolf Meier"
<> wrote:

>Hi
>
>> We're currently planning an office move, as part of this process we're
>> expecting our AD and DFS-R file servers to be offline for an unknown
>> period of time.
>>
>> My understanding from an AD and DNS point of view is that I need to
>> bring everything up within the tombstone lifetime, so we'll ensure that
>> this is done to avoid complications.

>
>You have to make a replication of deleted AD objects within this tombstone
>lifetime. So this means, that every AD object you will delete on the other
>servers, will be recreated after the servers (that were offline) get online
>again.
>
>By the way, the default tombstone time is at least 180 days since 2003 SP1
>(but only if the AD was created on a sp1 server). Article about this:
>http://www.petri.co.il/changing_the_...windows_ad.htm
>
>Maybe it's not a bad time to change this to those 180 days anyway...


I'm fairly sure we're already at 180 days, but I will double check just
in case. Even 60 days should be sufficient, but you never know.

>> Are there any limitations on the DFS-R side of things that may cause
>> problems if one or more servers are unavailable for an extended period
>> of time?

>
>That's a good question. I don't know how it works with file-tombstones, but
>since R2 came out after SP1, I could imagine, that it's also at least 180
>day... but, you could delete the server from the replication set and later
>add it again. The system would then check all files and it should quickly
>resynchronize the files...


I'm a little paranoid about doing that, with over 2TB of data split
across a couple million files, it takes over a week to resynchronize.

Worse, it's likely that there will be changes to multiple servers during
the transition -- We can live with the changes being out of sync and
unavailable to users on the opposite side, but I don't want to have to
manually sync up changes before going live again unless entirely needed
(although if this does happen, I have an rsync-type package that will do
the trick for me, but it too may take days)

>> The expected outage is anywhere from 1-6 weeks, although we're aiming to
>> have the last of our servers moved in just under 3 weeks from the first
>> move.

>
>Maybe a good idea would be not to make too many changes to important parts
>of AD during this time. Like this it should be possible to reduce the
>problems...


We're not expecting any significant changes, although users may rotate
passwords or other things like that. I'm bumping up password expiry by
6 months too, just to reduce the odds that anyone will be forced to
change their password, if anyone does, they'll have to deal with having
different passwords on different resources for a short time.

Definitely no schema updates, OU/group changes, and likely not even the
creation or deletion of accounts or computers, just to help ensure
things don't explode.
 
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DaveMills
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      09-03-2008
I think you will find that the clients lock up for minutes if one of the DFS
name servers goes offline. Test it yourself but I would remove the DFS name
server service from any machine that will be offline a few days before the
expected offline time begins

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:59:53 -0700, DevilsPGD <>
wrote:

>We're currently planning an office move, as part of this process we're
>expecting our AD and DFS-R file servers to be offline for an unknown
>period of time.
>
>My understanding from an AD and DNS point of view is that I need to
>bring everything up within the tombstone lifetime, so we'll ensure that
>this is done to avoid complications.
>
>Are there any limitations on the DFS-R side of things that may cause
>problems if one or more servers are unavailable for an extended period
>of time?
>
>The expected outage is anywhere from 1-6 weeks, although we're aiming to
>have the last of our servers moved in just under 3 weeks from the first
>move.

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Dave Mills
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DevilsPGD
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      09-04-2008
In message <> DaveMills
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>I think you will find that the clients lock up for minutes if one of the DFS
>name servers goes offline. Test it yourself but I would remove the DFS name
>server service from any machine that will be offline a few days before the
>expected offline time begins


We've simulated shutting down either of the main DFS/DFS-R servers for
shorter periods of time many times, monthly for patches, other times
when we need to do hardware maintenance.

There can be a delay while the clients figure out where to go, but once
they find a valid local server, they tend to stay there.
 
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