DFSR and FSRM Quota Bug

Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.

I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008 server and a
W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I have also set up FSRM Soft
Quotas on the W2008 server. I am replicating home folders and have set up an
Auto Apply quota on the parent of the home folders.

The setup looks like:-
W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server D:\Home\2002
The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is created in
W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 but the
auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use Windows
Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then the auto apply
quota is created.

This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota should
automatically get applied when the folder is created. My suspicion is that DFSR
is not creating the folder correctly and avoiding the Quota creation being
triggered.

Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for it.

--
Dave Mills
There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

Hello DaveMills,

I can rebuilt your problem exactly with 2 windows server 2008 machines.

You have to reapply the same quota template on the level where you have configured
the auto apply setting with the last option.

Rightclick the "Auto apply" folder and choose Edit Quota Properties, leave
it at its default setting and choose OK, now you will be asked where the
template should apply, choose "Do not apply auto apply to derived quotas".

Why this is not done automatic is a good question.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.
>
> I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008
> server and a W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I have
> also set up FSRM Soft Quotas on the W2008 server. I am replicating
> home folders and have set up an Auto Apply quota on the parent of the
> home folders.
>
> The setup looks like:-
> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server
> D:\Home\2002
> The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is
> created in
> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server
> D:\Home\2002 but the
> auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use
> Windows
> Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then the
> auto apply
> quota is created.
> This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota
> should automatically get applied when the folder is created. My
> suspicion is that DFSR is not creating the folder correctly and
> avoiding the Quota creation being triggered.
>
> Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for it.
>

Interesting to see it also applies to 2 x w2008 server.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
<meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:

>Hello DaveMills,
>
>I can rebuilt your problem exactly with 2 windows server 2008 machines.
>
>You have to reapply the same quota template on the level where you have configured
>the auto apply setting with the last option.
>
>Rightclick the "Auto apply" folder and choose Edit Quota Properties, leave
>it at its default setting and choose OK, now you will be asked where the
>template should apply, choose "Do not apply auto apply to derived quotas".
Yes, I figured that out.
>
>Why this is not done automatic is a good question.
I believe it is a bug, something is not working right. When Explorer creates a
new folder the quotas work but when DFSR creates a folder it does not work.

>
>Best regards
>
>Meinolf Weber
>Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>no rights.
>** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
>> Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.
>>
>> I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008
>> server and a W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I have
>> also set up FSRM Soft Quotas on the W2008 server. I am replicating
>> home folders and have set up an Auto Apply quota on the parent of the
>> home folders.
>>
>> The setup looks like:-
>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server
>> D:\Home\2002
>> The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is
>> created in
>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server
>> D:\Home\2002 but the
>> auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use
>> Windows
>> Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then the
>> auto apply
>> quota is created.
>> This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota
>> should automatically get applied when the folder is created. My
>> suspicion is that DFSR is not creating the folder correctly and
>> avoiding the Quota creation being triggered.
>>
>> Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for it.
>>
>
--
Dave Mills
There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

Hello DaveMills,

I asked to "The Storage Team at Microsoft - File Cabinet Blog" about this
and got following clearing answer:

"Auto quota configuration information is stored under system volume information
folder. DFSR does not replicate any data under system volume information
folder. Usually, people manually replicate the settings unless they use something
like a backup-restore tool to copy the existing settings. You can also use
any other available folder/disk migration tools."

You find them here:
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Interesting to see it also applies to 2 x w2008 server.
>
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
> <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello DaveMills,
>>
>> I can rebuilt your problem exactly with 2 windows server 2008
>> machines.
>>
>> You have to reapply the same quota template on the level where you
>> have configured the auto apply setting with the last option.
>>
>> Rightclick the "Auto apply" folder and choose Edit Quota Properties,
>> leave it at its default setting and choose OK, now you will be asked
>> where the template should apply, choose "Do not apply auto apply to
>> derived quotas".
>>
> Yes, I figured that out.
>
>> Why this is not done automatic is a good question.
>>
> I believe it is a bug, something is not working right. When Explorer
> creates a new folder the quotas work but when DFSR creates a folder it
> does not work.
>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.
>>>
>>> I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008
>>> server and a W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I have
>>> also set up FSRM Soft Quotas on the W2008 server. I am replicating
>>> home folders and have set up an Auto Apply quota on the parent of
>>> the home folders.
>>>
>>> The setup looks like:-
>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server
>>> D:\Home\2002
>>> The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is
>>> created in
>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server
>>> D:\Home\2002 but the
>>> auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use
>>> Windows
>>> Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then
>>> the
>>> auto apply
>>> quota is created.
>>> This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota
>>> should automatically get applied when the folder is created. My
>>> suspicion is that DFSR is not creating the folder correctly and
>>> avoiding the Quota creation being triggered.
>>> Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for it.
>>>

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:18:22 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
<meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:

>Hello DaveMills,
>
>I asked to "The Storage Team at Microsoft - File Cabinet Blog" about this
>and got following clearing answer:
>
>"Auto quota configuration information is stored under system volume information
>folder. DFSR does not replicate any data under system volume information
>folder. Usually, people manually replicate the settings unless they use something
>like a backup-restore tool to copy the existing settings. You can also use
>any other available folder/disk migration tools."
>
>You find them here:
>http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/

Thanks Meinolf, I cannot find the blog entry (so far). The above does explain
what is happening but I still think this is a poor implementation. From the
users perspective the Quota is supposed to apply to new folders. If Windows
Explorer creates a new folder it gets the Auto Quota applied. If DFRS creates
the folder then it is effectively is disregarding the quota that should be
applied. This is rather like disregarding the NTFS permission and then saying
"We don't copy the NTFS permission, it not part of the DFSR design to have
correct permissions". Or course DFSR has done permissions correctly but not
quotas. I am not asking for quotas to be replicated just that when a folder is
replicated the quota at the target is applied during folder creation.

>
>Best regards
>
>Meinolf Weber
>Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>no rights.
>** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
>> Interesting to see it also applies to 2 x w2008 server.
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
>> <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello DaveMills,
>>>
>>> I can rebuilt your problem exactly with 2 windows server 2008
>>> machines.
>>>
>>> You have to reapply the same quota template on the level where you
>>> have configured the auto apply setting with the last option.
>>>
>>> Rightclick the "Auto apply" folder and choose Edit Quota Properties,
>>> leave it at its default setting and choose OK, now you will be asked
>>> where the template should apply, choose "Do not apply auto apply to
>>> derived quotas".
>>>
>> Yes, I figured that out.
>>
>>> Why this is not done automatic is a good question.
>>>
>> I believe it is a bug, something is not working right. When Explorer
>> creates a new folder the quotas work but when DFSR creates a folder it
>> does not work.
>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Meinolf Weber
>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>> confers
>>> no rights.
>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>> Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.
>>>>
>>>> I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008
>>>> server and a W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I have
>>>> also set up FSRM Soft Quotas on the W2008 server. I am replicating
>>>> home folders and have set up an Auto Apply quota on the parent of
>>>> the home folders.
>>>>
>>>> The setup looks like:-
>>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server
>>>> D:\Home\2002
>>>> The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is
>>>> created in
>>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server
>>>> D:\Home\2002 but the
>>>> auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use
>>>> Windows
>>>> Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then
>>>> the
>>>> auto apply
>>>> quota is created.
>>>> This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota
>>>> should automatically get applied when the folder is created. My
>>>> suspicion is that DFSR is not creating the folder correctly and
>>>> avoiding the Quota creation being triggered.
>>>> Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for it.
>>>>
>
--
Dave Mills
There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

Hello DaveMills,

I agree with you that this is not the optimal solution.

There is no blog entry, just pointed you to there webpage.

Furthermore i found now additional information about the FSRM data. When
you define quotas, File Server Resource Manager (FSRM) stores information
about these quotas in the quota.xml, quota.md, and databasefilescreen files
in the \System Volume Information\SRM folder on the drive that the quotas
were imposed initially

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:18:22 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
> <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello DaveMills,
>>
>> I asked to "The Storage Team at Microsoft - File Cabinet Blog" about
>> this and got following clearing answer:
>>
>> "Auto quota configuration information is stored under system volume
>> information folder. DFSR does not replicate any data under system
>> volume information folder. Usually, people manually replicate the
>> settings unless they use something like a backup-restore tool to copy
>> the existing settings. You can also use any other available
>> folder/disk migration tools."
>>
>> You find them here:
>> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/
> Thanks Meinolf, I cannot find the blog entry (so far). The above does
> explain what is happening but I still think this is a poor
> implementation. From the users perspective the Quota is supposed to
> apply to new folders. If Windows Explorer creates a new folder it gets
> the Auto Quota applied. If DFRS creates the folder then it is
> effectively is disregarding the quota that should be applied. This is
> rather like disregarding the NTFS permission and then saying "We don't
> copy the NTFS permission, it not part of the DFSR design to have
> correct permissions". Or course DFSR has done permissions correctly
> but not quotas. I am not asking for quotas to be replicated just that
> when a folder is replicated the quota at the target is applied during
> folder creation.
>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> Interesting to see it also applies to 2 x w2008 server.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC), Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
>>> <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello DaveMills,
>>>>
>>>> I can rebuilt your problem exactly with 2 windows server 2008
>>>> machines.
>>>>
>>>> You have to reapply the same quota template on the level where you
>>>> have configured the auto apply setting with the last option.
>>>>
>>>> Rightclick the "Auto apply" folder and choose Edit Quota
>>>> Properties, leave it at its default setting and choose OK, now you
>>>> will be asked where the template should apply, choose "Do not apply
>>>> auto apply to derived quotas".
>>>>
>>> Yes, I figured that out.
>>>
>>>> Why this is not done automatic is a good question.
>>>>
>>> I believe it is a bug, something is not working right. When Explorer
>>> creates a new folder the quotas work but when DFSR creates a folder
>>> it does not work.
>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
>>>> and
>>>> confers
>>>> no rights.
>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>> Cross posted as I am not sure where this should be discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have set up DFSR on W2008 replicating folders between the W2008
>>>>> server and a W2003 R2 server. Replication is working fine but I
>>>>> have also set up FSRM Soft Quotas on the W2008 server. I am
>>>>> replicating home folders and have set up an Auto Apply quota on
>>>>> the parent of the home folders.
>>>>>
>>>>> The setup looks like:-
>>>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 is replicating with W2008-Server
>>>>> D:\Home\2002
>>>>> The soft quota in applied at D:\Home\2002. When a new folder is
>>>>> created in
>>>>> W2003-server F:\Home\2002 it is replicated to W2008-Server
>>>>> D:\Home\2002 but the
>>>>> auto apply quota is not created on the replicated folder. If I use
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> Explorer to create a new folder in W2008-Server D:\Home\2002 then
>>>>> the
>>>>> auto apply
>>>>> quota is created.
>>>>> This seems to be a bug either in DFSR or FSRM the Auto Apply quota
>>>>> should automatically get applied when the folder is created. My
>>>>> suspicion is that DFSR is not creating the folder correctly and
>>>>> avoiding the Quota creation being triggered.
>>>>> Has anybody else noticed this and does anyone know of a fix for
>>>>> it.