DISASTER - VISTA - a NEW PROBLEM and this TIME IT'S CRITICIAL

Mark Levitski wrote:

> You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained here
> about.
>
> However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of
> Vista vs. WindowsXP.
> It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
> Operating System must perform.
> FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating Time

(snip rant)

TL; DR.

If you have a question, short and concise will get you an answer.

If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
website would be better.

Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're talking to
here.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
> website would be better.
>
> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're talking
> to
> here.

You may say so when you are employed by the company and put in charge of
managing these newsgroups.

Do you know exactly how they collect feedbacks from ALL channels and you are
absolutely sure that no one from the company will read feedbacks from here
(just because they don't reply?)?

Before that, remove your signature will be a good start for
self-demonstration.

PS: I try not to comment on your signature but seems to me that you have
very little tolerance for others.



"Malke" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Mark Levitski wrote:
>
>> You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained
>> here
>> about.
>>
>> However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of
>> Vista vs. WindowsXP.
>> It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
>> Operating System must perform.
>> FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating
>> Time
>
> (snip rant)
>
> TL; DR.
>
> If you have a question, short and concise will get you an answer.
>
> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
> website would be better.
>
> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're talking
> to
> here.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>

This is a Usenet newsgroup, for all intents and purposes, although it does
bear the name "microsoft". I think that Microsoft actually started these
groups on their server, but that later Google and all the nntp servers took
them over too. They did this on the off chance that someone would get help
here and not have to call technical support.

Vista has so many screw-ups that people are habituated to it. Putting
"disaster" and "critical" in the subject line even in all caps is sure to
generate a level 1 "ho-hum" response from anyone reading it.

Cheers,

Earle

"xfile" <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
news:...
>> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
>> website would be better.
>>
>> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're talking
>> to
>> here.
>
> You may say so when you are employed by the company and put in charge of
> managing these newsgroups.
>
> Do you know exactly how they collect feedbacks from ALL channels and you
> are absolutely sure that no one from the company will read feedbacks from
> here (just because they don't reply?)?
>
> Before that, remove your signature will be a good start for
> self-demonstration.
>
> PS: I try not to comment on your signature but seems to me that you have
> very little tolerance for others.
>
>
>
> "Malke" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Mark Levitski wrote:
>>
>>> You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained
>>> here
>>> about.
>>>
>>> However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of
>>> Vista vs. WindowsXP.
>>> It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
>>> Operating System must perform.
>>> FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating
>>> Time
>>
>> (snip rant)
>>
>> TL; DR.
>>
>> If you have a question, short and concise will get you an answer.
>>
>> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
>> website would be better.
>>
>> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're talking
>> to
>> here.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>

You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained here
about.

However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of Vista
vs. WindowsXP.
It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
Operating System must perform.
FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating Time
Remaining" - you should see that dialogbox, it's spells death to
productivity, it borders on the level of completely unusuable OS in our
environment where we move 20-50GB/day on my CAD laptop Hilarious! Why
has God punished me so that WinXP disk was missing and I installed this joke
OS expecting an "upgraded" exprience?? I wish I could
ascreenshots/pictures.
Please don't refer me to the known Vista "Network Autotuning" bugfix, I am
not even copying over the network, it's an external USB2 Harddisk that used
to take seconds to pump fairly large files, specificlaly it achieved
15-22MBps transfer rates.
Vista humps along at maximum 2-3MBps, then stumbles into the range of KBps
and calculating GODDAMN TIME REMAINING or lying progress bar, then goes back
to 2-3MBps, then again down to KBps range.

I'm still wasting huge amounts of my time while I wait for Vista to
calculate the time remaining before even starting to transfer files.
I'm just absolutely flabergasted because File processing is one of the
basics OS should master. You can live with crooked volume control or
failing search - buy 3d party, but not for thsi critical task. I have no
desire to lose even one bit because $35-50000 software license depends on
it, when we work with CAD documents.
Honestly...This is outrageous.

it has nothing todo with another reported bug with Network filecopy, which
is due to retarded Vista Autotuning feature, it should be disabled.

That is what is suppose to happen and did under XP. Thus the purpose
of the progress bar which is to roughly show the transfer process and
time remaining. Now the knuckleheads in Redmond have so bungled the
file copy/move/delete routine you get the moronic "calculating time
remaining" message which often hangs on the screen, with nothing
apparently happening (is though) then in the last couple seconds the
status bar sometimes zooms left to right, obviously not reflecting
anything but legendary Microsoft stupidity from their inept
programmers.

Two NEW things happen in Vista. It check permissions and I suspect
sniffs for DRM (Digital Rights Management) violations at the behest of
the Hollywood crowd. Add in that it can open an absurd number of
handles to process the task, no wonder it often bogs down. That
something is seriously wrong can be confirmed by moving a few files
totaling 1 GB or so, then trying to copy/move a few hundred files
totally the same amount. Generally it will take MUCH longer in the
second example. This confirms the routine is poorly written and is
wading through needless layers of bloated code.

Do you have a question that merits an answer?

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Mark Levitski" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained here
> about.
>
> However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of
> Vista vs. WindowsXP.
> It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
> Operating System must perform.
> FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating Time
> Remaining" - you should see that dialogbox, it's spells death to
> productivity, it borders on the level of completely unusuable OS in our
> environment where we move 20-50GB/day on my CAD laptop Hilarious!
> Why has God punished me so that WinXP disk was missing and I installed
> this joke OS expecting an "upgraded" exprience?? I wish I could
> ascreenshots/pictures.
> Please don't refer me to the known Vista "Network Autotuning" bugfix, I am
> not even copying over the network, it's an external USB2 Harddisk that
> used to take seconds to pump fairly large files, specificlaly it achieved
> 15-22MBps transfer rates.
> Vista humps along at maximum 2-3MBps, then stumbles into the range of KBps
> and calculating GODDAMN TIME REMAINING or lying progress bar, then goes
> back to 2-3MBps, then again down to KBps range.
>
> I'm still wasting huge amounts of my time while I wait for Vista to
> calculate the time remaining before even starting to transfer files.
> I'm just absolutely flabergasted because File processing is one of the
> basics OS should master. You can live with crooked volume control or
> failing search - buy 3d party, but not for thsi critical task. I have no
> desire to lose even one bit because $35-50000 software license depends on
> it, when we work with CAD documents.
> Honestly...This is outrageous.
>
> it has nothing todo with another reported bug with Network filecopy, which
> is due to retarded Vista Autotuning feature, it should be disabled.
>
> That is what is suppose to happen and did under XP. Thus the purpose
> of the progress bar which is to roughly show the transfer process and
> time remaining. Now the knuckleheads in Redmond have so bungled the
> file copy/move/delete routine you get the moronic "calculating time
> remaining" message which often hangs on the screen, with nothing
> apparently happening (is though) then in the last couple seconds the
> status bar sometimes zooms left to right, obviously not reflecting
> anything but legendary Microsoft stupidity from their inept
> programmers.
>
> Two NEW things happen in Vista. It check permissions and I suspect
> sniffs for DRM (Digital Rights Management) violations at the behest of
> the Hollywood crowd. Add in that it can open an absurd number of
> handles to process the task, no wonder it often bogs down. That
> something is seriously wrong can be confirmed by moving a few files
> totaling 1 GB or so, then trying to copy/move a few hundred files
> totally the same amount. Generally it will take MUCH longer in the
> second example. This confirms the routine is poorly written and is
> wading through needless layers of bloated code.
>
>

I don't have time to sit on the computer for weeks, so I need to stick with
Vista, the reason XP cannot be used here is because disk was lost.
It was an emergency, a virus, system overhaul and XP disk was not found, I
ran to a local retailed and all they had were Vistas.

Normally I get software from ZipZoomFly as OEM (requires hardware purchase),
in this case waiting for shipment wasn't an option.

This i show I ended up with Vista.

Problem is Progress Bar is lying, why is it zooming left and right and
claims I have 17 days remaining to copy 32 files totalling 4GB? This is
outrageous.
I am happy it actually finishes copy sooner than 17 days, but what is the
circus with Progress Bar?
This is a commercial OS, with the basic file copy interface which looks as
if it were an Abortion gone wrong.

Seriously, what is this circus with progress Bar zooming left & right, and
warning 17 days remaining to copy 32 files worth of 4GB?
How can thi sve so screwed comparing to WindowsXp which at least both
achieved filecopy in reasonable time and didn;t lie to me about 2 weeks or
data xfer rate of mere 2MBps?

I can achieve 16Mbps wghen copying a single file of 1GB+, problem is with
smaller yet multiple files, once Vista encounters multiple file copy it is a
disaster.
I achieved 21Mbps with anothger portable harddisk, so not too bad but the
problem is with smaller files when they're multiple.
This is not the case with WinXP.

I just can;t stand Progress bar lying to me, I liekd WinXP APPROXIMATELY
informing me of time remaining, Vista made a circus out of "calculating time
remaining".
it takes time to calculate, isntead of actual job!
Them after it wasted enough time, it maanages to LIE about time remaining!

It's a double stupidify. First waste time, then provide incorrect
estimation that's not off by 5-10 minutes as was WinXP, but by days.

There was a problem with the release version of Vista when copying files
to/from a network drive. That problem was all but eliminated with service
pack 1. With service pack 2 it is even better.

So, what service pack revision are you running?

Personally I have never seen this problem, nor have I have to solve for it
on the many computers I have worked on in the past 2 1/2 years. But the
problem does/did exist for some. On the whole the problem seems to be non
existent at this point if you are properly patched.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Mark Levitski" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Seriously, what is this circus with progress Bar zooming left & right, and
> warning 17 days remaining to copy 32 files worth of 4GB?
> How can thi sve so screwed comparing to WindowsXp which at least both
> achieved filecopy in reasonable time and didn;t lie to me about 2 weeks or
> data xfer rate of mere 2MBps?
>
> I can achieve 16Mbps wghen copying a single file of 1GB+, problem is with
> smaller yet multiple files, once Vista encounters multiple file copy it is
> a disaster.
> I achieved 21Mbps with anothger portable harddisk, so not too bad but the
> problem is with smaller files when they're multiple.
> This is not the case with WinXP.
>
> I just can;t stand Progress bar lying to me, I liekd WinXP APPROXIMATELY
> informing me of time remaining, Vista made a circus out of "calculating
> time remaining".
> it takes time to calculate, isntead of actual job!
> Them after it wasted enough time, it maanages to LIE about time remaining!
>
> It's a double stupidify. First waste time, then provide incorrect
> estimation that's not off by 5-10 minutes as was WinXP, but by days.

> This is a Usenet newsgroup, for all intents and purposes, although it does
> bear the name "microsoft". I think that Microsoft actually started these
> groups on their server, but that later Google and all the nntp servers
> took them over too.

Hi,

Thanks for the explanations and I was referring to their servers. There are
evidences suggesting messages/posts are being monitored in some form (e.g.
certain posts were deleted) but I cannot be totally sure.

> Vista has so many screw-ups that people are habituated to it. Putting
> "disaster" and "critical" in the subject line even in all caps is sure to
> generate a level 1 "ho-hum" response from anyone reading it.

I won't be surprised if someone like "the" Frank replied with what were
posted. But a professional (if their title means it) can chose to ignore it
or to provide any applicable explanations and/or solutions.

Also, it's a common practice for marketing to collect feedbacks from various
channels even though they may not reply to the messages depending on each
company's policy, delegation, and so on.

Furthermore, I won't be surprised for the company is paying extra attention
to feedbacks related to Vista (rants or not) BEFORE the official launch of
Windows 7 so that they may still have time to do any necessary last-minute
fix to ensure a successful and smooth product launch.

It will be the most foolish thing, excuse my language, to do at this time,
or any other time, for attempting to seal the mouth of a customer/user
because their ego cannot bear for a different voice.

You see how the replies from some MVPs are very similar to "the" Frank's?
Maybe he will become one in the future because of his "loyalty" :P


"Earle Horton" <> wrote in message
news:...
> This is a Usenet newsgroup, for all intents and purposes, although it does
> bear the name "microsoft". I think that Microsoft actually started these
> groups on their server, but that later Google and all the nntp servers
> took them over too. They did this on the off chance that someone would
> get help here and not have to call technical support.
>
> Vista has so many screw-ups that people are habituated to it. Putting
> "disaster" and "critical" in the subject line even in all caps is sure to
> generate a level 1 "ho-hum" response from anyone reading it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "xfile" <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> news:...
>>> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
>>> website would be better.
>>>
>>> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're
>>> talking to
>>> here.
>>
>> You may say so when you are employed by the company and put in charge of
>> managing these newsgroups.
>>
>> Do you know exactly how they collect feedbacks from ALL channels and you
>> are absolutely sure that no one from the company will read feedbacks from
>> here (just because they don't reply?)?
>>
>> Before that, remove your signature will be a good start for
>> self-demonstration.
>>
>> PS: I try not to comment on your signature but seems to me that you have
>> very little tolerance for others.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Malke" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Mark Levitski wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can tolerate Search, Appearances , etc nuissances I've complained
>>>> here
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> However today morning I discovered the mother of all inferiorities of
>>>> Vista vs. WindowsXP.
>>>> It turns out it's incapable of one of the fundamental - BASIC tasks
>>>> Operating System must perform.
>>>> FILE COPY/MOVE/DELETE takes ages, progress bar is lying, "Calculating
>>>> Time
>>>
>>> (snip rant)
>>>
>>> TL; DR.
>>>
>>> If you have a question, short and concise will get you an answer.
>>>
>>> If you just want to rant, this isn't the venue. A social gathering or
>>> website would be better.
>>>
>>> Don't like Vista? Use something else. This isn't Microsoft you're
>>> talking to
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Malke
>>> --
>>> MS-MVP
>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>
>

Enough troll boy.

*PLONK*