DO NOT USE IE7

The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
don't support or have interesting side effects.

Example:
Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7

Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up

McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down

I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
some scripting errors.

Do not do 7 until they fix.

It is up to the developer to make sure that their site works with IE. The
majority of sites will work with IE7 B2. If you wish, you can use the Reg
hack as mentioned on the IE Blog, to force your browser to identify as IE6.

The whole point of this preview build is to allow developers to make sure
that their sites work with IE7, so your post is really worthless.

"John McConnell" wrote:

> The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
> don't support or have interesting side effects.
>
> Example:
> Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
>
> Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
>
> McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
>
> I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
> some scripting errors.
>
> Do not do 7 until they fix.

I use WAMU myself and it works fine in IE7. I even paid an online bill today
in it just to make sure the functionality was all there. I did notice minor
layout issues, images and text were a few pixels off, but surely nothing that
prevented functionality.

I agree with Jack that it is the site developer's problem to fix sites for
IE, not Microsoft's. I am a web developer myself and I DL'd IE7 beta
specifically for the purpose of checking my sites and seeing what I need to
fix.

From what I can tell, most of the layout problems are due to the fact that
IE (still) doesn't support the !important declaration or min-height, which
together causes layouts to behave oddly. All other modern browsers support
both !important and min-height (as well as max-height, min-width and
max-width). I really thought (hoped) that IE 7 would implement all of these
as they've been in the CSS standard for several years.

"John McConnell" wrote:

> The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
> don't support or have interesting side effects.
>
> Example:
> Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
>
> Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
>
> McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
>
> I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
> some scripting errors.
>
> Do not do 7 until they fix.

Wells Fargo online does not support beta browsers. Never has.

Well Dear Jack what is worthless is the way you think: For simple users like
John and me and all the hundrer others who lost their time trying to figure
out IE7 problems especially with McaFee, we dont give a damn whose
responsibility is to fix the bugs. We simply move to other products that work
like Firefox for example. I am surprised Microsoft didnt foresee this or at
least didnt notify about it in big bold letters. I agree with John: Dont use
IE7 beta. My machine crashed, Mcafee didnt work and only after uninstalling
it all reverted back to normal.

"Jack Chapple" wrote:

> It is up to the developer to make sure that their site works with IE. The
> majority of sites will work with IE7 B2. If you wish, you can use the Reg
> hack as mentioned on the IE Blog, to force your browser to identify as IE6.
>
> The whole point of this preview build is to allow developers to make sure
> that their sites work with IE7, so your post is really worthless.
>
> "John McConnell" wrote:
>
> > The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
> > don't support or have interesting side effects.
> >
> > Example:
> > Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
> >
> > Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
> >
> > McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
> >
> > I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
> > some scripting errors.
> >
> > Do not do 7 until they fix.

Microsoft knew this and it's printed quite plainly in the Release Notes.
McAfee have always stated that they do not guarantee or support using their
products with anything Beta....that's why you are always warned that you are
doing this at your own risk when downloading such software.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Home SP2 Fully Updated
P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 360gb HDD, 2.0gb DDR.
"Goodolboy" <> wrote in message
news:5AE19D1D-CA0F-429F-B360-...
> Well Dear Jack what is worthless is the way you think: For simple users
> like
> John and me and all the hundrer others who lost their time trying to
> figure
> out IE7 problems especially with McaFee, we dont give a damn whose
> responsibility is to fix the bugs. We simply move to other products that
> work
> like Firefox for example. I am surprised Microsoft didnt foresee this or
> at
> least didnt notify about it in big bold letters. I agree with John: Dont
> use
> IE7 beta. My machine crashed, Mcafee didnt work and only after
> uninstalling
> it all reverted back to normal.
>
> "Jack Chapple" wrote:
>
>> It is up to the developer to make sure that their site works with IE. The
>> majority of sites will work with IE7 B2. If you wish, you can use the Reg
>> hack as mentioned on the IE Blog, to force your browser to identify as
>> IE6.
>>
>> The whole point of this preview build is to allow developers to make sure
>> that their sites work with IE7, so your post is really worthless.
>>
>> "John McConnell" wrote:
>>
>> > The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web
>> > dev)
>> > don't support or have interesting side effects.
>> >
>> > Example:
>> > Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
>> >
>> > Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
>> >
>> > McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
>> >
>> > I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs,
>> > and
>> > some scripting errors.
>> >
>> > Do not do 7 until they fix.

Been using IE-7 , Paying bills online , Buying online etc. Sure it has some
bugs. That's why we are "Testing It" and reporting the bugs.
--
skyliner


"Garrett" wrote:

> Wells Fargo online does not support beta browsers. Never has.

I remember when asking to test a product was a good thing. I get more and
more discouraged when idiots say 'my post is worthless'. I just made a
comment, my opinion. Jack my friend, you take this too seriously – you need
to go outside more often. No wonder 95% of my system is NON MS programs.
"Goodolboy" wrote:

> Well Dear Jack what is worthless is the way you think: For simple users like
> John and me and all the hundrer others who lost their time trying to figure
> out IE7 problems especially with McaFee, we dont give a damn whose
> responsibility is to fix the bugs. We simply move to other products that work
> like Firefox for example. I am surprised Microsoft didnt foresee this or at
> least didnt notify about it in big bold letters. I agree with John: Dont use
> IE7 beta. My machine crashed, Mcafee didnt work and only after uninstalling
> it all reverted back to normal.
>
> "Jack Chapple" wrote:
>
> > It is up to the developer to make sure that their site works with IE. The
> > majority of sites will work with IE7 B2. If you wish, you can use the Reg
> > hack as mentioned on the IE Blog, to force your browser to identify as IE6.
> >
> > The whole point of this preview build is to allow developers to make sure
> > that their sites work with IE7, so your post is really worthless.
> >
> > "John McConnell" wrote:
> >
> > > The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
> > > don't support or have interesting side effects.
> > >
> > > Example:
> > > Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
> > >
> > > Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
> > >
> > > McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
> > >
> > > I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
> > > some scripting errors.
> > >
> > > Do not do 7 until they fix.

The very purpose of beta testing is helping identify bugs. So if you want to
participate in beta testing then do just that: identify and report bugs. If
you don't want to beta test, then don't use the beta release. You can't
expect a beta product to perform like a final release.. That's just nonsense.

I think Microsoft is doing a great job with IE7. Implementing a robust user
feedback system such as this is very smart. I'm hoping that votes we've cast
for features to be added will be heard.

Please add support for "min-width", "max-width" properties!!

Keep up the good work!

I really don't see why Jack was being attacked about his post. He is right
about developers and their websites. I work for IE7 Beta support and we get a
lot of calls about people and Wells Fargo. There are ways around it. Some
people find removing tools bars work, others just clearing the cache and
other temp files. A common fix is restoring defaults and advanced settings.
As for McAfee, some people have problems, other don't. It really depends if
you have any spyware or adware. As for the "DO NOT INSTALL IE7" comment, you
are all aware that it IS a Beta version. Its meant to be released to find
bugs. Discouraging people will only keep those bugs in the program and give
you more reasons to complain about it. It was released to test it for Windows
Vista. IE7 is a Vista product. Please keep testing it.

-Michael
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 Beta Support Team

"Jack Chapple" wrote:

> It is up to the developer to make sure that their site works with IE. The
> majority of sites will work with IE7 B2. If you wish, you can use the Reg
> hack as mentioned on the IE Blog, to force your browser to identify as IE6.
>
> The whole point of this preview build is to allow developers to make sure
> that their sites work with IE7, so your post is really worthless.
>
> "John McConnell" wrote:
>
> > The concept is great, but most sites I use (banking, financial, web dev)
> > don't support or have interesting side effects.
> >
> > Example:
> > Wells Fargo, WaMu don't support IE7
> >
> > Some development sites have dropdowns I use, they don't show up
> >
> > McAfee - updates get corrupted coming down
> >
> > I had to do a system restore to solve uninstall issues with reg bugs, and
> > some scripting errors.
> >
> > Do not do 7 until they fix.