What do YOU expect from Vista SP1 ??

Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
file size nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited
from an infinity of combinations of hardware, software, user
settings/errors, and from an army of professional malware
defenders fighting guerrillas who attack vulnerabilities just
for the fun of it.

Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.

My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security,
but will push it further into the background and less intrusive.
Perhaps massive usage data will enable security functions to be
safely trimmed and made faster for most.

Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable
for most, though - again - perhaps massive usage data will
support further stability enhancements.

What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not
available from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added
once usage data suggests it's safe to do so.

And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but
everyone wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for
Microsoft, who knows that consumers want faster operation -
particularly boot and shutdown times. The only thing worse than
"slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses throughout Vista to
permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit
streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista
SP1 to "take off".

Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call
home, and MS information collectors watch discussions, monitor
corporate usage, are intimate with major software companies, and
collect information from professional repair services. With all
that since Vista was released, I'd guess that plans for SP1 are
pretty firm by now.

What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to
non-Betaphiles like me?

Henry

-------------------
PS
Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of
the world's most successful companies and a monument to American
entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli
Microsoft groups for much of the latter). Such companies as
Microsoft, Boeing, Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a
lot of heat, but I admire and respect such achievement.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:

>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in

>
>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
advertised.

What we'll get is:

1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.

The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?

Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
later.

"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:
>
>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>
>>
>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>
> The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
> advertised.
>
> What we'll get is:
>
> 1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
> 2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
> 3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.
>
> The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
> nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
> what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?
>
> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
> later.
>

"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:
>
>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>
>>
>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>
> The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
> advertised.
>
> What we'll get is:
>
> 1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
> 2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
> 3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.
>
> The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
> nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
> what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?
>
> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
> later.
>
lets be grateful Microsoft dont make cars or planes !!!!

In article <>,
Adam Albright <> wrote:

> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
> later.

You mean like the auto industry? "Never buy a new car model in it's
first year of release. Always wait until the 2nd or 3rd year. "
There are many examples of models being "recalled" to fix something or
other that "should have been found in the QA process".

Mike

"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:
>
>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>
>>
>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>
> The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
> advertised.
>
> What we'll get is:
>
> 1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
> 2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
> 3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.
>
> The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
> nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
> what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?
>
> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
> later.
>
"500" bugs. What is your information source?

I expect SP1 to be as crap as vista...Vista is un-fixable!!!

You need a new version (windows 7) to fix all the horrible mistakes they
made in vista!


"Henry" <> wrote in message
news:f802h7$td2$...
> Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in file size
> nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited from an infinity of
> combinations of hardware, software, user settings/errors, and from an army
> of professional malware defenders fighting guerrillas who attack
> vulnerabilities just for the fun of it.
>
> Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.
>
> My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security, but will
> push it further into the background and less intrusive. Perhaps massive
> usage data will enable security functions to be safely trimmed and made
> faster for most.
>
> Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable for most,
> though - again - perhaps massive usage data will support further stability
> enhancements.
>
> What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not available
> from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added once usage data
> suggests it's safe to do so.
>
> And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but everyone
> wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for Microsoft, who knows
> that consumers want faster operation - particularly boot and shutdown
> times. The only thing worse than "slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses
> throughout Vista to permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit
> streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista SP1 to "take
> off".
>
> Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call home, and MS
> information collectors watch discussions, monitor corporate usage, are
> intimate with major software companies, and collect information from
> professional repair services. With all that since Vista was released, I'd
> guess that plans for SP1 are pretty firm by now.
>
> What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>
> And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to non-Betaphiles
> like me?
>
> Henry
>
> -------------------
> PS
> Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of the
> world's most successful companies and a monument to American
> entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli Microsoft
> groups for much of the latter). Such companies as Microsoft, Boeing,
> Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a lot of heat, but I admire and
> respect such achievement.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:40:48 -0700, "Charles W Davis"
<> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:
>>
>>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>>
>>>
>>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>>
>> The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
>> advertised.
>>
>> What we'll get is:
>>
>> 1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
>> 2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
>> 3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.
>>
>> The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
>> nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
>> what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?
>>
>> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
>> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
>> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
>> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
>> later.
>>
>"500" bugs. What is your information source?

Several in this newsgroup reported that's what they as beta testers
saw on some "list" I take them at the word, but considering, maybe not
that good an idea. Only reporting what was posted. <snicker>

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:18:30 GMT, "Dr. Hackenbush"
<> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <> wrote:
>>
>>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>>
>>>
>>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>>
>> The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as
>> advertised.
>>
>> What we'll get is:
>>
>> 1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.
>> 2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".
>> 3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.
>>
>> The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to
>> nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of
>> what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?
>>
>> Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door
>> in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets
>> they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being
>> able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months
>> later.
>>
>lets be grateful Microsoft dont make cars or planes !!!!

I'll second that!

Dear Henry and friends:

I expect that Microsoft delivers the possibility to all, to boot to an
equivalent to the old XP "Recovery Console", in order to survive to
some Registry related crashes. This is essential for all the poor guys
like me, that received some un-useful "Hard Disk Recovery CDs" from
their computer manufacturers, instead of a bootable Vista DVD.

Henry <> wrote:

>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in
>file size nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited
>from an infinity of combinations of hardware, software, user
>settings/errors, and from an army of professional malware
>defenders fighting guerrillas who attack vulnerabilities just
>for the fun of it.
>
>Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.
>
>My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security,
>but will push it further into the background and less intrusive.
>Perhaps massive usage data will enable security functions to be
>safely trimmed and made faster for most.
>
>Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable
>for most, though - again - perhaps massive usage data will
>support further stability enhancements.
>
>What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not
>available from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added
>once usage data suggests it's safe to do so.
>
>And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but
>everyone wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for
>Microsoft, who knows that consumers want faster operation -
>particularly boot and shutdown times. The only thing worse than
>"slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses throughout Vista to
>permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit
>streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista
>SP1 to "take off".
>
>Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call
>home, and MS information collectors watch discussions, monitor
>corporate usage, are intimate with major software companies, and
>collect information from professional repair services. With all
>that since Vista was released, I'd guess that plans for SP1 are
>pretty firm by now.
>
>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?
>
>And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to
>non-Betaphiles like me?
>
>Henry
>
>-------------------
>PS
>Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of
>the world's most successful companies and a monument to American
>entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli
>Microsoft groups for much of the latter). Such companies as
>Microsoft, Boeing, Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a
>lot of heat, but I admire and respect such achievement.
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!