Does X64 System mean AMD Athlon System?SP1 Related

Sounds like a dumb question but maybe I found my problem..
Does x64 mean an AMD System? I think I got that confused with the 64 bit
version of Vista..I tried to google it with no avail..

James;655382 Wrote:
> Sounds like a dumb question but maybe I found my problem..
> Does x64 mean an AMD System? I think I got that confused with the 64
> bit
> version of Vista..I tried to google it with no avail..


No. x64 is a global processor instruction set architecture used by both
Intel and AMD. It is worth mentioning that ALL modern commercially
available processors support the x64 instruction set. Which is why it's
pointless selling yourself short by buying a 64 Bit CPU, and installing
a 32-Bit operating system.


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OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

If there were device drivers for the 64 bit OS for the same hardware as the
32 bit OS, it would be more readily adopted.

"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> James;655382 Wrote:
>> Sounds like a dumb question but maybe I found my problem..
>> Does x64 mean an AMD System? I think I got that confused with the 64
>> bit
>> version of Vista..I tried to google it with no avail..
>
>
> No. x64 is a global processor instruction set architecture used by both
> Intel and AMD. It is worth mentioning that ALL modern commercially
> available processors support the x64 instruction set. Which is why it's
> pointless selling yourself short by buying a 64 Bit CPU, and installing
> a 32-Bit operating system.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

Not Me;655430 Wrote:
> If there were device drivers for the 64 bit OS for the same hardware a
> the 32 bit OS, it would be more readily adopted

Fair enough, but the reverse is also true - hardware manufacturer
don't feel any pressing need to provide x64 drivers, because Vista x6
is not as popular as Vista x86.

But Vista x64 is gaining in popularity, and I feel sorry for those poo
souls that stuck with Vista x86, and are going to be left eating thei
words when x64 is the dominant choice, and they won't be able to mak
use of new software that does not support x86..

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Peter Alexander Dzomlij
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And a
you die, so shall I be Reborn...

_*Prometheus*
MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-A
CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Qua
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BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Coole
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

I'm running vista x86 on a 64 bit system mainly because it all works just
fine
and as for divice drivers there are plenty out there that would work with
vista x64 but can't be installed because of driver signing

"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Not Me;655430 Wrote:
>> If there were device drivers for the 64 bit OS for the same hardware as
>> the 32 bit OS, it would be more readily adopted.
>
> Fair enough, but the reverse is also true - hardware manufacturers
> don't feel any pressing need to provide x64 drivers, because Vista x64
> is not as popular as Vista x86.
>
> But Vista x64 is gaining in popularity, and I feel sorry for those poor
> souls that stuck with Vista x86, and are going to be left eating their
> words when x64 is the dominant choice, and they won't be able to make
> use of new software that does not support x86...
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

will;655507 Wrote:
> I'm running vista x86 on a 64 bit system mainly because it all works
> just fine and as for divice drivers there are plenty out there that
> would work with vista x64 but can't be installed because of driver
> signing


Windows Vista x64's requirement that all drivers be signed is a good
thing, as it allows for greater stability. Driver Singing doesn't
prevent drivers from being installed, unless of course, the hardware
manufacturer couldn't be bothered and just releases unsigned drivers.

This (for me, anyway), is a sign of a lazy manufacturer not willing to
provide the best levels of support for their clients. Generally, I try
to avoid these...


--
dzomlija

Peter Alexander Dzomlija
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

_*Prometheus*_
MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

I feel driver signing has many good points

However shouldn't it be the users choice as to what hardware and drivers to
use regardless of performance?

I'm sure it isn't microsoft's largest concern wether or not ny system is
stable or not. I'm sure it has more to do with DRM (digital rights
management) and the enforcement of drivers that support it

"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> will;655507 Wrote:
>> I'm running vista x86 on a 64 bit system mainly because it all works
>> just fine and as for divice drivers there are plenty out there that
>> would work with vista x64 but can't be installed because of driver
>> signing
>
>
> Windows Vista x64's requirement that all drivers be signed is a good
> thing, as it allows for greater stability. Driver Singing doesn't
> prevent drivers from being installed, unless of course, the hardware
> manufacturer couldn't be bothered and just releases unsigned drivers.
>
> This (for me, anyway), is a sign of a lazy manufacturer not willing to
> provide the best levels of support for their clients. Generally, I try
> to avoid these...
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

will;655574 Wrote:
> I feel driver signing has many good points
>
> However shouldn't it be the users choice as to what hardware and
> drivers to
> use regardless of performance?
>
> I'm sure it isn't microsoft's largest concern wether or not ny system
> is
> stable or not. I'm sure it has more to do with DRM (digital rights
> management) and the enforcement of drivers that support it


Driver Signing has nothing to do with DRM (unless the driver is for a
device that uses DRM).

It IS the concern Microsoft whether you system is stable or not. If a
hardware manufacturer releases a product with a shoddy driver, and it
keeps crashing the system, who is the one likely to get the blame? Much
of the "evidence" that Vista critics use to backup their false claims
that Vista is unstable can be attributed to third-party hardware and
buggy drivers.

I'm not saying that Vista is 100% perfect (which is impossible), but
far too much blame that belongs to third-parties is being directed to
Microsoft. By enforcing the use of digitally signed drivers, Microsoft
is trying to focus some of the blame to where it belongs.


--
Dzomlija

Peter Alexander Dzomlija
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

_*Prometheus*_
MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

Well exactly true most drivers have nothing at all to do with DRM
Except the graphics, driver most new high end grahpics cards are DRM
compliant and have drivers that enforce it

"Dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news...
>
> will;655574 Wrote:
>> I feel driver signing has many good points
>>
>> However shouldn't it be the users choice as to what hardware and
>> drivers to
>> use regardless of performance?
>>
>> I'm sure it isn't microsoft's largest concern wether or not ny system
>> is
>> stable or not. I'm sure it has more to do with DRM (digital rights
>> management) and the enforcement of drivers that support it
>
>
> Driver Signing has nothing to do with DRM (unless the driver is for a
> device that uses DRM).
>
> It IS the concern Microsoft whether you system is stable or not. If a
> hardware manufacturer releases a product with a shoddy driver, and it
> keeps crashing the system, who is the one likely to get the blame? Much
> of the "evidence" that Vista critics use to backup their false claims
> that Vista is unstable can be attributed to third-party hardware and
> buggy drivers.
>
> I'm not saying that Vista is 100% perfect (which is impossible), but
> far too much blame that belongs to third-parties is being directed to
> Microsoft. By enforcing the use of digitally signed drivers, Microsoft
> is trying to focus some of the blame to where it belongs.
>
>
> --
> Dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

That problem is dissipating fast.

It is usually now just old stuff the vendors are not really supporting much
any more.

"Not Me" <> wrote in message
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> If there were device drivers for the 64 bit OS for the same hardware as
> the 32 bit OS, it would be more readily adopted.
>
> "dzomlija" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> James;655382 Wrote:
>>> Sounds like a dumb question but maybe I found my problem..
>>> Does x64 mean an AMD System? I think I got that confused with the 64
>>> bit
>>> version of Vista..I tried to google it with no avail..
>>
>>
>> No. x64 is a global processor instruction set architecture used by both
>> Intel and AMD. It is worth mentioning that ALL modern commercially
>> available processors support the x64 instruction set. Which is why it's
>> pointless selling yourself short by buying a 64 Bit CPU, and installing
>> a 32-Bit operating system.
>>
>>
>> --
>> dzomlija
>>
>> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
>> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
>> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>>
>> _*Prometheus*_
>> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
>> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
>> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
>> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
>> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
>> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
>
>