Don't want to download SP2. It scares me.

I have a relative who is a MCSE and he had the beta of SP2 and now owns three
copies of the cd of SP2 full version as he is a retailer.

I have used his PCs (he has five in his home alone and 7 at his workplace)
that all have SP2 installed.

My question is... Why should I bother to spend six hours downloading the
file on my dialup or even borrow one of his CDs to install it?

I have seen even HIM struggle with the control settings of SP2. It seems
that if you choose to turn OFF the firewall, you get an ALERT every time you
start windows, every time you start IE, every time you visit a website that
asks for cookies.

After watching a certified MCSE fight the SP2 control panel to TURN off
certain features, I don't think it is worth even considering an install on my
home PC.

Also, if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE for the update so
that dial up users could consecutively download smaller parts of the update,
that would be an intelligent decision and great chance for THE MAJORITY OF
INTERNET users to actually get a hold of it if they want to.

But who says MICROSOFT is that insightful?

Personally, SP2 scares me in its continuous popup of the yellow bar that
ALERTS you that certain features have been disabled in your own websites, or
while you are simply trying to google something. I just want my full FREEDOM
of that annoying and spooky yellow bar, as well as not having to deal with
one of the WORST INTERFACES I HAVE EVER SEEN (in the SP2 firewall, security
control panel). I don;t like the "happy" colors that make me feel all gooey
inside. Terrifying.

I think you are too concerned with possible problems. When you turn off the
firewall there is an option for you to click if you don't want to see the
warning anymore. You can also got to microsoft.com and order the free SP2 cd
so you don't have to worry about a long download. You will get it in the
mail within a week or so.The installation is simple. Try it for a while and
if you don't like it just use add/remove sp2 and you are put back with sp1.

Frank

"JMoats" <> wrote in message
news:305B7D9F-D1C9-47EA-8EE9-...
>I have a relative who is a MCSE and he had the beta of SP2 and now owns
>three
> copies of the cd of SP2 full version as he is a retailer.
>
> I have used his PCs (he has five in his home alone and 7 at his workplace)
> that all have SP2 installed.
>
> My question is... Why should I bother to spend six hours downloading the
> file on my dialup or even borrow one of his CDs to install it?
>
> I have seen even HIM struggle with the control settings of SP2. It seems
> that if you choose to turn OFF the firewall, you get an ALERT every time
> you
> start windows, every time you start IE, every time you visit a website
> that
> asks for cookies.
>
> After watching a certified MCSE fight the SP2 control panel to TURN off
> certain features, I don't think it is worth even considering an install on
> my
> home PC.
>
> Also, if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE for the update so
> that dial up users could consecutively download smaller parts of the
> update,
> that would be an intelligent decision and great chance for THE MAJORITY OF
> INTERNET users to actually get a hold of it if they want to.
>
> But who says MICROSOFT is that insightful?
>
> Personally, SP2 scares me in its continuous popup of the yellow bar that
> ALERTS you that certain features have been disabled in your own websites,
> or
> while you are simply trying to google something. I just want my full
> FREEDOM
> of that annoying and spooky yellow bar, as well as not having to deal with
> one of the WORST INTERFACES I HAVE EVER SEEN (in the SP2 firewall,
> security
> control panel). I don;t like the "happy" colors that make me feel all
> gooey
> inside. Terrifying.
>
>

Here are some reasons to install SP-2:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=811113
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

First you need a firewall of one sort or another.
If you disable the Windows Firewall, you will get an alert if you do not
have another firewall enabled.
Also the other firewall needs to have the necessary changes from their
manufacturer to be recognized by the Security Center.
If your 3rd party firewall does not have the changes, you can easily disable
the alert.
Most major firewall manufacturers have provided the necessary updates to be
recognized by the Security Center.

"if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE"
Already done, you can resume the download where you left off.
Buy why? Borrow a CD from the relative.
Or order it, usually comes in less than 2 weeks.

As for "colors that make me feel all gooey > inside. Terrifying."?
But the things the added security provides do not bother you?
You should be more worried about what you want to keep off your computer
rather than a page you will rarely see.

Most problems people have with SP-2 are because their computer is poorly
maintained:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"JMoats" <> wrote in message
news:305B7D9F-D1C9-47EA-8EE9-...
>I have a relative who is a MCSE and he had the beta of SP2 and now owns
>three
> copies of the cd of SP2 full version as he is a retailer.
>
> I have used his PCs (he has five in his home alone and 7 at his workplace)
> that all have SP2 installed.
>
> My question is... Why should I bother to spend six hours downloading the
> file on my dialup or even borrow one of his CDs to install it?
>
> I have seen even HIM struggle with the control settings of SP2. It seems
> that if you choose to turn OFF the firewall, you get an ALERT every time
> you
> start windows, every time you start IE, every time you visit a website
> that
> asks for cookies.
>
> After watching a certified MCSE fight the SP2 control panel to TURN off
> certain features, I don't think it is worth even considering an install on
> my
> home PC.
>
> Also, if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE for the update so
> that dial up users could consecutively download smaller parts of the
> update,
> that would be an intelligent decision and great chance for THE MAJORITY OF
> INTERNET users to actually get a hold of it if they want to.
>
> But who says MICROSOFT is that insightful?
>
> Personally, SP2 scares me in its continuous popup of the yellow bar that
> ALERTS you that certain features have been disabled in your own websites,
> or
> while you are simply trying to google something. I just want my full
> FREEDOM
> of that annoying and spooky yellow bar, as well as not having to deal with
> one of the WORST INTERFACES I HAVE EVER SEEN (in the SP2 firewall,
> security
> control panel). I don;t like the "happy" colors that make me feel all
> gooey
> inside. Terrifying.

The problem is... You can right-click and visit the control area to TURN OFF
the alert, but it still pops up EVERY time you open a new instance of IE.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Here are some reasons to install SP-2:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=811113
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>
> First you need a firewall of one sort or another.
> If you disable the Windows Firewall, you will get an alert if you do not
> have another firewall enabled.
> Also the other firewall needs to have the necessary changes from their
> manufacturer to be recognized by the Security Center.
> If your 3rd party firewall does not have the changes, you can easily disable
> the alert.
> Most major firewall manufacturers have provided the necessary updates to be
> recognized by the Security Center.
>
> "if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE"
> Already done, you can resume the download where you left off.
> Buy why? Borrow a CD from the relative.
> Or order it, usually comes in less than 2 weeks.
>
> As for "colors that make me feel all gooey > inside. Terrifying."?
> But the things the added security provides do not bother you?
> You should be more worried about what you want to keep off your computer
> rather than a page you will rarely see.
>
> Most problems people have with SP-2 are because their computer is poorly
> maintained:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "JMoats" <> wrote in message
> news:305B7D9F-D1C9-47EA-8EE9-...
> >I have a relative who is a MCSE and he had the beta of SP2 and now owns
> >three
> > copies of the cd of SP2 full version as he is a retailer.
> >
> > I have used his PCs (he has five in his home alone and 7 at his workplace)
> > that all have SP2 installed.
> >
> > My question is... Why should I bother to spend six hours downloading the
> > file on my dialup or even borrow one of his CDs to install it?
> >
> > I have seen even HIM struggle with the control settings of SP2. It seems
> > that if you choose to turn OFF the firewall, you get an ALERT every time
> > you
> > start windows, every time you start IE, every time you visit a website
> > that
> > asks for cookies.
> >
> > After watching a certified MCSE fight the SP2 control panel to TURN off
> > certain features, I don't think it is worth even considering an install on
> > my
> > home PC.
> >
> > Also, if MICROSOFT would consider creating a SPLIT FILE for the update so
> > that dial up users could consecutively download smaller parts of the
> > update,
> > that would be an intelligent decision and great chance for THE MAJORITY OF
> > INTERNET users to actually get a hold of it if they want to.
> >
> > But who says MICROSOFT is that insightful?
> >
> > Personally, SP2 scares me in its continuous popup of the yellow bar that
> > ALERTS you that certain features have been disabled in your own websites,
> > or
> > while you are simply trying to google something. I just want my full
> > FREEDOM
> > of that annoying and spooky yellow bar, as well as not having to deal with
> > one of the WORST INTERFACES I HAVE EVER SEEN (in the SP2 firewall,
> > security
> > control panel). I don;t like the "happy" colors that make me feel all
> > gooey
> > inside. Terrifying.
>
>
>

Then disable Security Center in Services.
Did your MCSE try that?
If not, find someone who knows Windows instead of someone who has a paper
MCSE.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"JMoats" <> wrote in message
news:F0D98083-0ACE-4B9F-B42C-...
> The problem is... You can right-click and visit the control area to TURN
> OFF
> the alert, but it still pops up EVERY time you open a new instance of IE.