Driver updates deactivate Vista

Seems Microsoft has admitted there is a problem with their WGA that
even a driver update can cause your computer to require revalidation.

http://apcmag.com/vista_activation

Old news here. This turned up and was discussed in detail about 4-5 months
ago.

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"Jeanette" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Seems Microsoft has admitted there is a problem with their WGA that even a
> driver update can cause your computer to require revalidation.
>
> http://apcmag.com/vista_activation

"Jeanette" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Seems Microsoft has admitted there is a problem with their WGA that even a
> driver update can cause your computer to require revalidation.
>
> http://apcmag.com/vista_activation

Interesting how the reported does not provide an genuine quote,
referenceable site or even a name of who in Microsoft Us and Australia
substantiated his claim. ( be careful with your post in that Microsoft has
"admitted" nothing)
Frankly it is not actually a WPA issue but a side effect of the change in
technology with a lot of graphics cards and other devices In that they are
often no longer a dedicated device such as a graphics cards GPU but actually
a programmable device and the drivers are the things that actually reprogram
the device so effectively changing it for one device to another.
This will unfortunately eventually trigger a WPA reactivation - so you have
to send up to 6 mins on the phone reactivating. Not really too much effort
for you to continue to reap the benefits of a genuinely activated copy of
Windows.
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Mike Brannigan

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in
news:4D8CAB7B-18E1-4932-9AE5-:

> "Jeanette" <> wrote in message
> news:...

>> This will unfortunately eventually trigger a WPA
> reactivation - so you have to send up to 6 mins on the phone
> reactivating. Not really too much effort for you to continue to reap
> the benefits of a genuinely activated copy of Windows.

I thought that's why you paid for the program to begin with. Rather than a
paying customer having to spend any time on the phone to correct the
manufacturer's incompetence, maybe MS should invest in a little confidence
in its customers.

bdog

bdog wrote:

> maybe MS should invest in a little confidence
> in its customers.
>
> bdog

LOL! MS has no respect for its customers and considers them ALL to be
thieves unless they prove they aren't over and over and over and over
again. Sick of this crap? Check out Ubuntu at http://www.ubuntu.com/
It's free, can be installed on as many computers as you like, no
activation, no becoming "genuine" and it comes with access to over
25,000 free programs. Order the free CD. They even pay the postage to
mail it to you.

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bdog wrote:
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in
> news:4D8CAB7B-18E1-4932-9AE5-:
>
>> "Jeanette" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>
>>> This will unfortunately eventually trigger a WPA
>> reactivation - so you have to send up to 6 mins on the phone
>> reactivating. Not really too much effort for you to continue to reap
>> the benefits of a genuinely activated copy of Windows.
>
> I thought that's why you paid for the program to begin with. Rather than a
> paying customer having to spend any time on the phone to correct the
> manufacturer's incompetence, maybe MS should invest in a little confidence
> in its customers.
>
> bdog

Really. Heaven forbid that someone "unfortunately" try to replace their
bought and paid for (not licensed) hardware without ms approval. It also
is becoming more and more uncertain as to "whether or not reaping the
benefits of a genuinely activated copy of windows" has any real value
given the hassles that continue to mount.

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norm

Alias wrote:
> bdog wrote:
>
>> maybe MS should invest in a little confidence in its customers.
>>
>> bdog
>
>
> LOL! MS has no respect for its customers and considers them ALL to be
> thieves unless they prove they aren't over and over and over and over
> again. Sick of this crap? Check out Ubuntu at http://www.ubuntu.com/
> It's free, can be installed on as many computers as you like, no
> activation, no becoming "genuine" and it comes with access to over
> 25,000 free programs. Order the free CD. They even pay the postage to
> mail it to you.
>


Bullsh*t! LOL... ubuntu is a useless POS toy os that's good for nothing.
25,000 "free" (translation-worthless crap) apps that no one wants. alias
is a lying as*hole atheist who can't afford Vista and so he continues to
promote linux crap in this Vista ng. He is a clueless characterless jerk
and has no business in this ng.
Frank

"bdog" <> wrote in message
news:Xns99D3705B7FD7Fbdopnet@66.250.146.128...
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in
> news:4D8CAB7B-18E1-4932-9AE5-:
>
>> "Jeanette" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>
>>> This will unfortunately eventually trigger a WPA
>> reactivation - so you have to send up to 6 mins on the phone
>> reactivating. Not really too much effort for you to continue to reap
>> the benefits of a genuinely activated copy of Windows.
>
> I thought that's why you paid for the program to begin with. Rather than a
> paying customer having to spend any time on the phone to correct the
> manufacturer's incompetence, maybe MS should invest in a little confidence
> in its customers.
>
> bdog

You paid for a license to use the software under the terms of the End User
License Agreement- you did not buy Windows .
That EULA clearly states that activation is required to continue to use the
product, and thus you do.
As I said the change in the way lot of hardware is programmable is in part
responsible for this issue.
As regards confidence in customers well relaxed licensing enforcement based
on trust of "customers" over the years prior to WPA/WGA has lead us to
millions of casual pirated copies of Windows and a significant amount of
professional pirate software too.
Trust a member of the general public - surely you cannot be that naive.
Maybe you would like to go away on vacation and leave you home unlocked as
you have confidence in the general public?
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Mike Brannigan

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> "Jeanette" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Seems Microsoft has admitted there is a problem with their WGA that
>> even a driver update can cause your computer to require revalidation.
>>
>> http://apcmag.com/vista_activation
>
> Interesting how the reported does not provide an genuine quote,
> referenceable site or even a name of who in Microsoft Us and Australia
> substantiated his claim. ( be careful with your post in that Microsoft
> has "admitted" nothing)
> Frankly it is not actually a WPA issue but a side effect of the change

No, it's not a WPA issue, It's a bug. WPA has bugs and is not keeping
up with the technology curve. Big surprise there.

> in technology with a lot of graphics cards and other devices In that
> they are often no longer a dedicated device such as a graphics cards GPU
> but actually a programmable device and the drivers are the things that
> actually reprogram the device so effectively changing it for one device
> to another.
> This will unfortunately eventually trigger a WPA reactivation - so you
> have to send up to 6 mins on the phone reactivating. Not really too much
> effort for you to continue to reap the benefits of a genuinely activated
> copy of Windows.

Any amount of time anyone has to spend bent over and tied to the table
w/ their pants dropped at the will of MS is too much! It often also
takes longer if you get stuck on hold.

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"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in
news::

>
> You paid for a license to use the software under the terms of the End
> User License Agreement- you did not buy Windows .
> That EULA clearly states that activation is required to continue to
> use the product, and thus you do.
> As I said the change in the way lot of hardware is programmable is in
> part responsible for this issue.
> As regards confidence in customers well relaxed licensing enforcement
> based on trust of "customers" over the years prior to WPA/WGA has lead
> us to millions of casual pirated copies of Windows and a significant
> amount of professional pirate software too.
> Trust a member of the general public - surely you cannot be that
> naive. Maybe you would like to go away on vacation and leave you home
> unlocked as you have confidence in the general public?

Mike,

Unfortunately, what you say is true. I am not naive by any stretch, but
piracy has apparently not harmed MS too badly. Windows is still the
bniggest selling OS and it is pirated quite often. Things haven't changed
that much. It is analagous to the gun control argument. The more gun
control laws that are enacted make it more difficult for regular gun
customers to buy guns, while the bad guys use stolen or illegally obtained
guns to commit their crimes.

I just don't think that someone who pays $200 plus for a product should be
subjected to the harassmaent that MS puts you through. I understand that
they agree to the EULA, but I don't think very many people have ever read
it. For a person who uses one computer at home and mayhbe a laptop, both
of which came with legitimate copies of Windows the EULA is really not an
issue they spend much time thinkling about. I am not arguing the validity
of that statement, just the fact that it is the way things are. MS has to
stop punishing the people who paye for their product.

bdog