Enough

Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.

I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
grow on you". Ad nauseum.

Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
available opportunity.

Silence like a cancer grows...

(from a Simon and Garfunkle song "sound of silence")

Now replace the word "silence" with "vista"


"Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>
> I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
> being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
> a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
> dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
> over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
> effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
> brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
> grow on you". Ad nauseum.
>
> Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
> available opportunity.

"Manatee Memories" wrote in message

> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.

I gotta say that while I'm sorry for your Vista troubles, it is hard to
reconcile remarks like this with the fact that I'm within arm's reach of a
notebook running XP, a destkop running Win 2K Pro, and half a dozen servers
with anywhere from NT4 - 2003AS; and this laptop with Vista Business, which
has been much less trouble than these other OS'es were in their first
iteration.

Laptop is a Dell XPS 1210 which came with Vista Business installed about
three weeks back. Most of the problems were basically lack of familiarity on
my part, and the last couple of weeks of perusing this newsgroup has done a
lot to rectify that.

Reluctantly at first, and despite the above OS choices within reach, I've
actually come to prefer banging on keyboard of the Vista machine.

If your hardware is up to snuff, stick with it and you'll hopefully have the
same experience.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Hey, why didn't you plug your BLOG?


"corbomite" <-> wrote in message news:...
> Silence like a cancer grows...
>
> (from a Simon and Garfunkle song "sound of silence")
>
> Now replace the word "silence" with "vista"
>
>
> "Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
>> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>>
>> I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
>> being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
>> a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
>> dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
>> over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
>> effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
>> brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
>> grow on you". Ad nauseum.
>>
>> Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
>> available opportunity.
>
>

It is like all Windows versions a learning curve and some people just can't
or won't learn. Format at once.


"Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>
> I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
> being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
> a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
> dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
> over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
> effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
> brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
> grow on you". Ad nauseum.
>
> Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
> available opportunity.
>

If you are sick of Vista asking you "Do I want such and such a program to run?" Then turn off UAC. Sounds more like you are complaining, not because Vista is bad, but because you do not want to take the time to learn how to use it to your liking. Sure there are old programs that may not run on Vista, but that is usually the case with anything new. Eventually it is something we all have to face and deal with and then we upgrade our old programs.

Barky Out.
--


Mr. Barky Von Schnauzer




"Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...
>
> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>
> I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
> being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
> a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
> dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
> over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
> effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
> brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
> grow on you". Ad nauseum.
>
> Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
> available opportunity.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:20:29 +0100, "Ian" <> wrote,
by way of <09EDBC6B-8341-4C94-8191->, in
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general -->

>"Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>>
>> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
>> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>>
>> I have endured my judgements (Do I want such & such a program to run?)
>> being questioned (In-numerable times being asked "Do I want such & such
>> a program to run?"). over & over again. I have seen & endured Vista
>> dis-allowing some Old Favorite programs running priviledges, over and
>> over (16-bit installers not permitted?). I have endured being, in
>> effect, told-off by those "brass-ring-through-the-nose" Vista
>> brainwashees that (using my wording) "Just give Vista a chance; it'll
>> grow on you". Ad nauseum.
>>
>> Vista HAS "grown" on me. I shall be "going back to" XP at the first
>> available opportunity.
>>
>
>
>It is like all Windows versions a learning curve and some people just can't
>or won't learn.

I began with MS-DOS 5.0/6.0/6.2/6.22, then to Win 3.1, 3.11 WFWG, Win95/
Win98/Win98 SE, then XP/SP-1/1a/SP-2. Afterwards, Vista.

In my opinion (of long-experience), while there was some truly major GUI
difference berween Win 3.11 and Win95, the "agony factor" switching from
3.11 to 95 was _nothing_ compared against XP SP-2 to Vista. I am not so
young now as I was in 1993 (or there-abouts), and "Toil, sweat, and
tears" (to paraphrase the late Winston Churchill) is no-longer my
proverbial cup-of-tea. Enduring the "confirmation blues" (my wording) is
not what I thought I'd be getting, when buying the new box, several
weeks ago.

> Format at once.

Darik's Boot & Nuke (v1.0.7) tells me it's got some 5h 24m to go (using
the "dodshort") format.

--

Life got you down? Want nothing than to curl up with your
[insert type of fav pet here], a glass of milk, and some
really great cookies?


http://preview.tinyurl.com/yrcz9v
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynzgas

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:32:47 -0500, "Swingman" <> wrote,
by way of <160F5E53-7406-4B40-85AB->, in
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general -->

>"Manatee Memories" wrote in message
>
>> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
>> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>
>I gotta say that while I'm sorry for your Vista troubles, it is hard to
>reconcile remarks like this with the fact that I'm within arm's reach of a
>notebook running XP, a destkop running Win 2K Pro, and half a dozen servers
>with anywhere from NT4 - 2003AS; and this laptop with Vista Business, which
>has been much less trouble than these other OS'es were in their first
>iteration.
>
>Laptop is a Dell XPS 1210 which came with Vista Business installed about
>three weeks back. Most of the problems were basically lack of familiarity on
>my part, and the last couple of weeks of perusing this newsgroup has done a
>lot to rectify that.
>
>Reluctantly at first, and despite the above OS choices within reach, I've
>actually come to prefer banging on keyboard of the Vista machine.
>
>If your hardware is up to snuff, stick with it and you'll hopefully have the
>same experience.

Honestly, I would rather be responsible for what goes on with my
system[s], than be dunned at every turn by some so-called "security"
which, imo, exists for nothing more than to irritate the user.

In reasonably recent past, the only times little nasty-bits have managed
to hitch a ride here, was when I acted _stupidly_ (more a case[s] of
naivette, actually). Double-click on files of unproved trustworthyness,
visited various & sundry websites with assorted browser & local
web-proxy (Proxomitron) prot's dropped, and so on. As noted above, I
would _much_ rather be responsible for what goes on here rather than
hand over responsibility to an OS which disagrees with me.

>; and this laptop with Vista Business, which has been much less trouble
>than these other OS'es were in their first iteration.

Hi,

By no means that I am trying to say Vista is good vs. bad and I respect
everyone's own conclusion, but I found the above comparison used by many
including the company is kind of "unfair" or "misleading".

We shouldn't compared a new product with the one that first introduced years
ago, and by doing that, we ignore the fact the everything has been improving
during these years including our skills, knowledge, technologies, and so on.
If all those experiences and knowledge learned during these years have no
effect on producing a new product (be OS or anything else), what are the
purpose or returns for learning?

A new product is meant to replace an existing product at the current stage,
so a "fair" comparison should benchmark to those at the current stage, not
when they were first introduced.

I think the same logic and rule will apply to all products as well. Do we
compare a new car with our existing one or with the T-model?

Again, no offense and just share some thoughts.



"Swingman" <> wrote in message
news:160F5E53-7406-4B40-85AB-...
> "Manatee Memories" wrote in message
>
>> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
>> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>
> I gotta say that while I'm sorry for your Vista troubles, it is hard to
> reconcile remarks like this with the fact that I'm within arm's reach of a
> notebook running XP, a destkop running Win 2K Pro, and half a dozen
> servers with anywhere from NT4 - 2003AS; and this laptop with Vista
> Business, which has been much less trouble than these other OS'es were in
> their first iteration.
>
> Laptop is a Dell XPS 1210 which came with Vista Business installed about
> three weeks back. Most of the problems were basically lack of familiarity
> on my part, and the last couple of weeks of perusing this newsgroup has
> done a lot to rectify that.
>
> Reluctantly at first, and despite the above OS choices within reach, I've
> actually come to prefer banging on keyboard of the Vista machine.
>
> If your hardware is up to snuff, stick with it and you'll hopefully have
> the same experience.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 6/1/07
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>
>

I agree with most of that.
I just wish they had not tried to emulate the (now disproven) AOL theory of
making the software less configurable & trying to protect the user from
himself. It failed miserably for AOL after seemingly working for several
years. I personally think it was more AOL's marketing than their software.
But an OS is a totally different thing than an Internet interface.
The internet has matured from the days AOL was a startup.
Why MS decided to try to cater to that (mostly defunct) crowd of total
beginners is beyond my comprehension.
There are expert users who will defend the model even now, but
geezzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up!!

"xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
news:...
> >; and this laptop with Vista Business, which has been much less trouble
> >than these other OS'es were in their first iteration.
>
> Hi,
>
> By no means that I am trying to say Vista is good vs. bad and I respect
> everyone's own conclusion, but I found the above comparison used by many
> including the company is kind of "unfair" or "misleading".
>
> We shouldn't compared a new product with the one that first introduced
> years ago, and by doing that, we ignore the fact the everything has been
> improving during these years including our skills, knowledge,
> technologies, and so on. If all those experiences and knowledge learned
> during these years have no effect on producing a new product (be OS or
> anything else), what are the purpose or returns for learning?
>
> A new product is meant to replace an existing product at the current
> stage, so a "fair" comparison should benchmark to those at the current
> stage, not when they were first introduced.
>
> I think the same logic and rule will apply to all products as well. Do we
> compare a new car with our existing one or with the T-model?
>
> Again, no offense and just share some thoughts.
>
>
>
> "Swingman" <> wrote in message
> news:160F5E53-7406-4B40-85AB-...
>> "Manatee Memories" wrote in message
>>
>>> Vista may have been designed with the best of intensions, but after what
>>> I have seen of it, Vista should have been SCRAPPED a-borning.
>>
>> I gotta say that while I'm sorry for your Vista troubles, it is hard to
>> reconcile remarks like this with the fact that I'm within arm's reach of
>> a notebook running XP, a destkop running Win 2K Pro, and half a dozen
>> servers with anywhere from NT4 - 2003AS; and this laptop with Vista
>> Business, which has been much less trouble than these other OS'es were in
>> their first iteration.
>>
>> Laptop is a Dell XPS 1210 which came with Vista Business installed about
>> three weeks back. Most of the problems were basically lack of familiarity
>> on my part, and the last couple of weeks of perusing this newsgroup has
>> done a lot to rectify that.
>>
>> Reluctantly at first, and despite the above OS choices within reach, I've
>> actually come to prefer banging on keyboard of the Vista machine.
>>
>> If your hardware is up to snuff, stick with it and you'll hopefully have
>> the same experience.
>>
>> --
>> www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 6/1/07
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>>
>>
>
>