Extensions for non-XP VMs in Win7

"Dave Warren" <dave-> skrev i meddelelsen
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> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-> "senn"
> <senn@homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007.
>
> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found
> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something
> else entirely.

Buying one more XP-license for use in the virtual PC 2007, when if
wanting to keep the original installed in windows XP-mode. After all
windows XP-mode could be useable in some instances. Anyway,
most users would not compleately uninstall it. Doing so and considering
this a full necessity would render an exstra critizimn against the
constructors
of this windows XP-mode.

>>Not all have it. MS used windows 7 xp-mode as a sales tracker.
>>Now I know; Why should I choose to load my Autocad 14
>>and other older programs into xp-mode for long term use,
>>when not even a clipboard.
>
> XP Mode has clipboard integration whether using the built-in VM or a XP
> SP3 VM you create yourself.
>

Glad to hear this. But there's no clipboard function in my instalation
of XP-mode having the Integration coupled in. My install may not yet
be accomplished. In fact, in my situation windows XP-mode was intended
to be loaded with win98, as this is the most suitable operating system for
the Autocad 14 application. 14 was build for 98 I think.
If no clipboard there. Then Windows XP-mode does not fulfil its purpose.
Yet, I does not intend to uninstall it, as I'm using XPs IE6 in trial of
websites. Because ms's SuperPreView is a static picture-shower and
another mediocrity, that does not run menus having javascript in it.


> It's only older OSes running under Windows 7's Virtual PC that don't
> have clipboard integration and if that's a critical thing for you,
> Virtual PC 2007 is still available.
OK, I have already downloaded it, but will consider VMware before
installing it. At least having a trial with VMware. There's other teasers
with XP-mode as slowness in startup.

If you happen to be an ms-employee, you should really think about
a correction to almost everything of mss software. And among getting
old good VB6 back on track. The doubtfull WPF is probably a source from
which some of the mediocrity araises from. Let VB6 come out.
A lot of people waits to buy it.

>
>>This xp-mode is a really baby soother.
>>The people who made this is really some smart-ass and
>>nothing else except ma-like.
>
> It works very well for what it's intended to do.
>

It's a wrong way to go, to limit the userbillity of the XP-mode
making a decition what best suits the user. On expense of
having a fullblowned XP-operating system.
Again, If you're a ms-employee, get it all corrected.

>>Investment in professional software and skipping this
>>foolish company would raise ones mood. This company
>>is really sunken too low down.
>>What kind of VMware should be bought. There's no
>>price information on their site ?.
>>Anybody knows ?.
>
> You'll still need that spare XP license.

Yes, I did not say I didn't.

Thanks for your comment, anyway.
/senn

Dave Warren wrote:
> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-> "senn"
> <senn@homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>> If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007.
>
> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found
> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something
> else entirely.

The licensed XP mode virtual machine runs in VMWare Workstation 7 or VMWare
Reader 3, and you can run VPC2007 at the same time.

A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

>A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.

Depends on what you need to do, I'll take WVPC myself...

You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
same time yet.)

--
Bob Comer



On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:16:52 -0500, David Wilkinson
<no-> wrote:

>Dave Warren wrote:
>> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-> "senn"
>> <senn@homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>> If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007.
>>
>> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found
>> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something
>> else entirely.
>
>The licensed XP mode virtual machine runs in VMWare Workstation 7 or VMWare
>Reader 3, and you can run VPC2007 at the same time.
>
>A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.

Robert Comer wrote:
>> A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.
>
> Depends on what you need to do, I'll take WVPC myself...
>
> You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
> both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
> there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
> same time yet.)

Well, I don't have VT on my main workstation, so for me there is only one way to go.

I guess I'm just comfortable using Workstation and VPC2007, because that's what
I was doing on XP. Upgrade to Workstation 7 (or free Reader 3) and licensed
XP-mode comes for free.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

>Well, I don't have VT on my main workstation, so for me there is only one way to go.

You wont always have that machine. <g>

There's nothing wrong with VPC2007/VMWare combo, I just like the
scripting and XPMode (the real one with seamless apps, not just the VM
of the same name) that WVPC brings to the table. I use WVPC for
almost everything, but for the odd thing out, I use VMWare WS too...

>Upgrade to Workstation 7 (or free Reader 3) and licensed
>XP-mode comes for free.

Depends on when you bought it -- I had to pay for the upgrade to 7
from 6.5...

--
Bob Comer



On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:39:28 -0500, David Wilkinson
<no-> wrote:

>Robert Comer wrote:
>>> A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.
>>
>> Depends on what you need to do, I'll take WVPC myself...
>>
>> You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
>> both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
>> there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
>> same time yet.)
>
>Well, I don't have VT on my main workstation, so for me there is only one way to go.
>
>I guess I'm just comfortable using Workstation and VPC2007, because that's what
>I was doing on XP. Upgrade to Workstation 7 (or free Reader 3) and licensed
>XP-mode comes for free.

In message <> Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
>same time yet.)

This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it
automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate.

In message <> David Wilkinson
<no-> was claimed to have wrote:

>Dave Warren wrote:
>> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-> "senn"
>> <senn@homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>> If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007.
>>
>> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found
>> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something
>> else entirely.
>
>The licensed XP mode virtual machine runs in VMWare Workstation 7 or VMWare
>Reader 3, and you can run VPC2007 at the same time.
>
>A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion.

I can't see the point of VMWare Workstation and VPC2007 at the same
time. VMWare does everything VPC and WVPC does and more except for
Unity mode which is painfully slow on VMWare vs WVPC in "Application
Virtualization" mode.

Cool! I hadn't noticed, I did all my combined VMWare/WVPC testing with
WS6.5. That will certainly come in handy.

--
Bob Comer


On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren
<dave-> wrote:

>In message <> Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
>>same time yet.)
>
>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it
>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:39:28 -0500, David Wilkinson
<no-> wrote:

>I guess I'm just comfortable using Workstation and VPC2007, because that's what
>I was doing on XP. Upgrade to Workstation 7 (or free Reader 3) and licensed
>XP-mode comes for free.

Does XP-mode really come for free even if not used in WVPC?
I thought that it was free in order to enable Win7 users who have apps
tha won't run on Win7 to still use them by running then in XP-mode.
Instead of fixing up Win7 to run these apps Microsoft offered a free
XP-bubble to run them in.

But is it really legal to download that XP virtual machine and then
run it inside VMWare Workstation7 or Player3??

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:10:09 +0100, "senn" <senn@homeplace&.fix> wrote:

>Glad to hear this. But there's no clipboard function in my instalation
>of XP-mode having the Integration coupled in. My install may not yet
>be accomplished. In fact, in my situation windows XP-mode was intended
>to be loaded with win98, as this is the most suitable operating system for
>the Autocad 14 application. 14 was build for 98 I think.
>If no clipboard there. Then Windows XP-mode does not fulfil its purpose.

Microsoft did not give out XP-mode for free in order to cover Win98
usage. It was strictly done in order not to orphan the customer usage
of XP apps that were not going to run on Win7....

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)