Extensions for non-XP VMs in Win7

Bo Berglund wrote:
> Does XP-mode really come for free even if not used in WVPC?
> I thought that it was free in order to enable Win7 users who have apps
> tha won't run on Win7 to still use them by running then in XP-mode.
> Instead of fixing up Win7 to run these apps Microsoft offered a free
> XP-bubble to run them in.
>
> But is it really legal to download that XP virtual machine and then
> run it inside VMWare Workstation7 or Player3??

Bo:

The VM has to be specially designed according to some Microsoft specification in
order for the XP-Mode image to run in it. Workstation 7 and Reader 3 have this
feature, and even have a special item on the File Menu for importing the XP-mode
image.

I sure hope it's legal, because I'm doing it. I don't think Microsoft would have
made the requirements public if it was not be legal to do it.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

"Bo Berglund" <> skrev i meddelelsen
news:...
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:10:09 +0100, "senn" <senn@homeplace&.fix> wrote:
>
>>Glad to hear this. But there's no clipboard function in my instalation
>>of XP-mode having the Integration coupled in. My install may not yet
>>be accomplished. In fact, in my situation windows XP-mode was intended
>>to be loaded with win98, as this is the most suitable operating system for
>>the Autocad 14 application. 14 was build for 98 I think.
>>If no clipboard there. Then Windows XP-mode does not fulfil its purpose.
>
> Microsoft did not give out XP-mode for free in order to cover Win98
> usage. It was strictly done in order not to orphan the customer usage
> of XP apps that were not going to run on Win7....
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)

That's only one way to look at it. Enthough the name xp-mode
hesitate something, XP-mode does not imply that older programs
formerly be running solely on an XP-machine. With XP and SP2
and SP3 many older programs does not run fully without bugs.
Autocad 14 is one of these.
My comprehention is: Microsoft delivered the free license XP-mode
solely for strengthening the sales revenue of Windows 7.
If they cared for the problems their customers had by the lack of running
older programs on Vista since it came out, for other reasons than sales
attractions, they would had build XP-mode into Vista for years back.
Or simply, just made both Vista and Windows 7 compatible from the
start of. In all this time - since Vista came out - ms leaved people alone
with their compatibillity problems. It's too much holding a hand over
them. The charity given to the countries of poority is paid by their
customers. That's why the sales must go on faster and faster.
/senn

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:05:51 -0500, David Wilkinson
<no-> wrote:

>Bo Berglund wrote:
>> Does XP-mode really come for free even if not used in WVPC?
>> I thought that it was free in order to enable Win7 users who have apps
>> tha won't run on Win7 to still use them by running then in XP-mode.
>> Instead of fixing up Win7 to run these apps Microsoft offered a free
>> XP-bubble to run them in.
>>
>> But is it really legal to download that XP virtual machine and then
>> run it inside VMWare Workstation7 or Player3??
>
>Bo:
>
>The VM has to be specially designed according to some Microsoft specification in
>order for the XP-Mode image to run in it. Workstation 7 and Reader 3 have this
>feature, and even have a special item on the File Menu for importing the XP-mode
>image.

I cannot find anything like that on my WS7 File menu. All I see is:
File/Import or Export/ this opens a wizard.
Next-Next: Select type of source: Nothing here indicates Win7 XP mode
only Physical Computer, VMWare virtual machine, Virtualö Appliance and
Other is selectable. Go for Other + Next:
Now I have to browse for a "source VM or image" and there is no
selection for XPmode....

>I sure hope it's legal, because I'm doing it. I don't think Microsoft would have
>made the requirements public if it was not be legal to do it.

I tried downloading XP mode and then using WinZip to extract the files
inside the exe. It turned out that there was a big file with no
extensio, which I thought was the XPMode VHD, so I added the vhd
extension and tried peeping into it with WinImage. But it was not
recognized.

How do you mean that one can open/import it with VMWare? I have
WorkStation 7.0.1 (latest update applied a week ago) on my XP-Pro SP3
PC....

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Bo Berglund wrote:
> I cannot find anything like that on my WS7 File menu. All I see is:
> File/Import or Export/ this opens a wizard.
> Next-Next: Select type of source: Nothing here indicates Win7 XP mode
> only Physical Computer, VMWare virtual machine, Virtual� Appliance and
> Other is selectable. Go for Other + Next:
> Now I have to browse for a "source VM or image" and there is no
> selection for XPmode....
>
>> I sure hope it's legal, because I'm doing it. I don't think Microsoft would have
>> made the requirements public if it was not be legal to do it.
>
> I tried downloading XP mode and then using WinZip to extract the files
> inside the exe. It turned out that there was a big file with no
> extensio, which I thought was the XPMode VHD, so I added the vhd
> extension and tried peeping into it with WinImage. But it was not
> recognized.
>
> How do you mean that one can open/import it with VMWare? I have
> WorkStation 7.0.1 (latest update applied a week ago) on my XP-Pro SP3

The host has to be running Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate in
order for this to work. Using VMWare only allows you to do things that you could
have done with WVPC, except that you do not need hardware virtualization.

You first have to *install* the XP Virtual Machine. It shows up as "Windows XP
Mode" in the Windows 7 list of installed programs (Programs and Features). Only
after you have done this does the "Import Windows XP Mode VM" item appear on the
Workstation File menu. You have to install the XP Mode before you open
Workstation, or Workstation will not realize it is there.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:10:04 +0100, Bo Berglund
<> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:39:28 -0500, David Wilkinson
><no-> wrote:
>
>>I guess I'm just comfortable using Workstation and VPC2007, because that's what
>>I was doing on XP. Upgrade to Workstation 7 (or free Reader 3) and licensed
>>XP-mode comes for free.
>
>Does XP-mode really come for free even if not used in WVPC?
>I thought that it was free in order to enable Win7 users who have apps
>tha won't run on Win7 to still use them by running then in XP-mode.
>Instead of fixing up Win7 to run these apps Microsoft offered a free
>XP-bubble to run them in.
>
>But is it really legal to download that XP virtual machine and then
>run it inside VMWare Workstation7 or Player3??

Yes, you are licensed for 1 XP-Mode if you have Pro, Ent, or Ult.
Licensing is based on the host OS, not WinVPC.

But, with VPC2007 it won't activate, with VMW it will.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren
<dave-> wrote:

>In message <> Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
>>same time yet.)
>
>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it
>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate.

But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running
and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I
forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/

>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running
>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I
>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM.

That's what I suspected would happen, but haven't tested it yet.

--
Bob Comer


On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:01:00 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
<noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren
><dave-> wrote:
>
>>In message <> Robert Comer
>><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from
>>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's
>>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the
>>>same time yet.)
>>
>>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it
>>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate.
>
>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running
>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I
>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:26:52 -0500, David Wilkinson
<no-> wrote:

>> How do you mean that one can open/import it with VMWare? I have
>> WorkStation 7.0.1 (latest update applied a week ago) on my XP-Pro SP3
>
>The host has to be running Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate in
>order for this to work. Using VMWare only allows you to do things that you could
>have done with WVPC, except that you do not need hardware virtualization.

But in order to install WVPC you *have* to have VT, right?
So if this is a way to circumvent the need for VT by running it in
VMWare there seems to be a catch-22 on installation if you don't have
VT in the first place....

>You first have to *install* the XP Virtual Machine. It shows up as "Windows XP
>Mode" in the Windows 7 list of installed programs (Programs and Features). Only
>after you have done this does the "Import Windows XP Mode VM" item appear on the
>Workstation File menu. You have to install the XP Mode before you open
>Workstation, or Workstation will not realize it is there.

So I need both Win7 Ult and VT to install XPmode fully, then I can use
VMWare without VT and run the XPMode guest. What is the puropose of
that?

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Bo Berglund wrote
[snip]
> But in order to install WVPC you *have* to have VT, right?
> So if this is a way to circumvent the need for VT by running it in
> VMWare there seems to be a catch-22 on installation if you don't have
> VT in the first place....
[snip]
> So I need both Win7 Ult and VT to install XPmode fully, then I can use
> VMWare without VT and run the XPMode guest. What is the puropose of
> that?

You have to install the XP-Mode image (not WVPC) in Windows 7. It is WVPC that
needs VT, not the XP-Mode machine.

The purpose is that you get a free XP license for use as a guest. If you have
spare licenses, you really don't need it.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:58:59 -0500, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running
>>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I
>>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM.
>
>That's what I suspected would happen, but haven't tested it yet.

Yeah, its not something I'm keen on testing. Generally, I've found
that as long as WVPC is started first other VM software works, and
other VM software seems to be respectful of each other than WVPC.
IIRC, I've had VBox and VMWare running together, but if you start up
WVPC with any other VM software running, you get the bluescreen.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/