Failed .NET Updates

I, too, have recently encountered two .NET Framework Critical Updates that
fail to instal correctly.

I thought this might be a good spot since my problems are similar in nature
to some other posts and I've already read and followed some previous advice
and it was very helpful.

The two updates are KB974417 and KB951847. They have repeatedly failed over
the past month. Through a support link on the Update site, I was able to get
few a few emails with Update Support before they turned me over to MS
engineering support. From there, they had me do pretty much the same thing
as was described in the links here. I used a cleanup tool to completely
remove all versions of .NET software from this machine and then re-install
each one in the proper order. That worked all the way up until I got to the
two updates in question and I experienced the very same failure to install.

MS engineering Support gave me the wave-off telling me that I didn't need
those updates and even though I could attempt to hide them, I would be faced
with the warnings that I have hidden critcal updates from that point on. Not
a happy solution in my opinion.

So I decided to try again and follow the steps outlined in your links as
closely as possible. I first tried using the Add/Remove Panel to remnove the
..NET software as was described to be the "prefered" method. That removed a
couple versions but two components failed to remove that way. So I used the
latest version of the cleanup tool that I could find and it removed all the
..NET software. Then, I tried that "Windows Install Cleanup Tool" that one of
your links suggested but I couldn't find any remaining .NET software to point
it to so I just exited that.

I did the reboot and I was about to start installing all the .NET stuff
starting with "1.0" and working my way up in order like I did before. This
time I was very careful when I downloaded all the .NET things, renaming them
as "dotnet1a.exe and dotnet1b.exe and then dotnet2a.exe" and so on. But I
forgot to save this newsgroup as a favorite and I wanted to read it again so
I attempted to retrace my steps to find it and that entailed going through
the windows update site. Well, low and behold, when I went to Windows
Update, it said I didn't need ANY Critiacal Updates. No warnings, no nothing!

So, now, my question, why do I have to install ANY of the .NET Framework
structure?

I know the only way you might be able to answer that is to know a bit more
about my system. And I apoligize up front for being so wordy but I don't know
how else to get help without a ton of cross-communication. So, I'll start
with my specs and then what I use it for.

Genuine Intel D875BZLK w/800 MHz bus speed
OB gigabit LAN & native SATA 150 support
4) 512MB sticks of Corsair Extreme 2.5 CAS RAM
3.2E Prescott Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 3
with Hyper-Threading running at 3192 Mhz.
(2) Hitachi Deskstar 80/8/7500 SATA drives
running in a RAID-0 array
SoundBlaster Audigy-2 ZS Gamer edition
8x AGP Asus V9570 FX5700 128 MB video
DH20A4P optical DVD burner
Win XP Pro SP3 w/IE 7 & Visual Studio 6.0
---all just over five years old now---

I built this machine for the sole intent to be able to take all my old VHS
tapes and transfer them to DVDs. I wanted a machine that colud process video
faster than it could play and this thing does it quite well. I don't like
Windows deciding to download and install updates in the midst of my burning a
DVD so I prefer to use the Windows Update site manually once a week. I also
dabble in a little software creation with Visual Studio because I learned
BASIC and QuickBasic when they came out and I've always liked that sort of
thing. But I don't do anything commercially and apart from web surfing and
email, I use this for my banking and other persoanl stuff including my own
website which you can see here. > http://drmcwheels.com <

I have no idea what the .NET Framework structure does for me as I understand
its importance for developers is its primary reason for existing. So what
problems may I experience if I don't load ANY of the .NET updates? I still
attempt to maintain a pretty tight security through a router and then the AVG
Internet Security suite and Firewall plus I use SpybotS&D at least monthly.
I have never had any breaches in my security so far but then again, who knows
what will happen now.

Again, I'm sorry for writing so much but I would really appreciat enay help
you can provide. Thanks very much. Dave, (aka, Derf McKensy)

Derf McKensy wrote:
> I, too, have recently encountered two .NET Framework Critical
> Updates that fail to instal correctly.
>
> I thought this might be a good spot since my problems are similar
> in nature to some other posts and I've already read and followed
> some previous advice and it was very helpful.
>
> The two updates are KB974417 and KB951847. They have repeatedly
> failed over the past month. Through a support link on the Update
> site, I was able to get few a few emails with Update Support before
> they turned me over to MS engineering support. From there, they
> had me do pretty much the same thing as was described in the links
> here. I used a cleanup tool to completely remove all versions of
> .NET software from this machine and then re-install each one in the
> proper order. That worked all the way up until I got to the two
> updates in question and I experienced the very same failure to
> install.
>
> MS engineering Support gave me the wave-off telling me that I
> didn't need those updates and even though I could attempt to hide
> them, I would be faced with the warnings that I have hidden critcal
> updates from that point on. Not a happy solution in my opinion.
>
> So I decided to try again and follow the steps outlined in your
> links as closely as possible. I first tried using the Add/Remove
> Panel to remnove the .NET software as was described to be the
> "prefered" method. That removed a couple versions but two
> components failed to remove that way. So I used the latest version
> of the cleanup tool that I could find and it removed all the .NET
> software. Then, I tried that "Windows Install Cleanup Tool" that
> one of your links suggested but I couldn't find any remaining .NET
> software to point it to so I just exited that.
>
> I did the reboot and I was about to start installing all the .NET
> stuff starting with "1.0" and working my way up in order like I did
> before. This time I was very careful when I downloaded all the
> .NET things, renaming them as "dotnet1a.exe and dotnet1b.exe and
> then dotnet2a.exe" and so on. But I forgot to save this newsgroup
> as a favorite and I wanted to read it again so I attempted to
> retrace my steps to find it and that entailed going through the
> windows update site. Well, low and behold, when I went to Windows
> Update, it said I didn't need ANY Critiacal Updates. No warnings,
> no nothing!
>
> So, now, my question, why do I have to install ANY of the .NET
> Framework structure?
>
> I know the only way you might be able to answer that is to know a
> bit more about my system. And I apoligize up front for being so
> wordy but I don't know how else to get help without a ton of
> cross-communication. So, I'll start with my specs and then what I
> use it for.
>
> Genuine Intel D875BZLK w/800 MHz bus speed
> OB gigabit LAN & native SATA 150 support
> 4) 512MB sticks of Corsair Extreme 2.5 CAS RAM
> 3.2E Prescott Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 3
> with Hyper-Threading running at 3192 Mhz.
> (2) Hitachi Deskstar 80/8/7500 SATA drives
> running in a RAID-0 array
> SoundBlaster Audigy-2 ZS Gamer edition
> 8x AGP Asus V9570 FX5700 128 MB video
> DH20A4P optical DVD burner
> Win XP Pro SP3 w/IE 7 & Visual Studio 6.0
> ---all just over five years old now---
>
> I built this machine for the sole intent to be able to take all my
> old VHS tapes and transfer them to DVDs. I wanted a machine that
> colud process video faster than it could play and this thing does
> it quite well. I don't like Windows deciding to download and
> install updates in the midst of my burning a DVD so I prefer to use
> the Windows Update site manually once a week. I also dabble in a
> little software creation with Visual Studio because I learned BASIC
> and QuickBasic when they came out and I've always liked that sort
> of thing. But I don't do anything commercially and apart from web
> surfing and email, I use this for my banking and other persoanl
> stuff including my own website which you can see here. >
> http://drmcwheels.com <
>
> I have no idea what the .NET Framework structure does for me as I
> understand its importance for developers is its primary reason for
> existing. So what problems may I experience if I don't load ANY of
> the .NET updates? I still attempt to maintain a pretty tight
> security through a router and then the AVG Internet Security suite
> and Firewall plus I use SpybotS&D at least monthly.
> I have never had any breaches in my security so far but then again,
> who knows what will happen now.
>
> Again, I'm sorry for writing so much but I would really appreciat
> enay help you can provide. Thanks very much. Dave, (aka, Derf
> McKensy)

It is entirely possible that you have nothing that needs the .NET Framework
of any version.

However - your understanding is not completely on-target. The .NET
Framework may be used by developers - but they have developed things and
some of those things - you might use. SOme video card manufacturers use it
in their video card software, for example. Truthfully - anything could use
one version of the .NET framework or another.

So my question from you - have you tested all of the software you might use?
Have any version of Microsoft Office installed? Opened, ran and tested any
of the Microsoft Office products? Used Internet Explorer much lately? What
email client do you use? Try all your software - see if it all works - if
it begins to give you issues - could be related to having no .NET
Frameworks.

Although - now that you have none - you could install each one manually as
the instructions I have see tell you to do - to get back up to speed. I'd
think sooner or later - you will just be hurting yourself - although it is
possible your netbook-like use of your PC might benefit you for a long time.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"Derf McKensy" <> wrote in message news:6B0C301A-88D5-4973-AAA9-...
> I, too, have recently encountered two .NET Framework Critical Updates that
> fail to instal correctly.
>
> I thought this might be a good spot since my problems are similar in nature
> to some other posts and I've already read and followed some previous advice
> and it was very helpful.


So, you've fixed your popup problem? ; )
And did the web interface index my answer to your original Me too!?...
No. Typical.

So I'll try to build a link to it from your References: header

References: <C7BCAB5D-36E1-4A78-B2E8-> <>

E.g. find one similar and replace its &tid= parameter with one of those.
Fortunately I don't have to worry about lowercasing the hex characters
from the Message-ID...

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...8-415C0A3C9DFB

So here is my reply to you from there again:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...337&sloc=en-us


BTW you really should try using a real NNTP newsreader,
at least as long as the web interface is FUBAR as it is presently. ; }


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---

> It is entirely possible that you have nothing that needs the .NET Framework
> of any version.
>
> However - your understanding is not completely on-target. The .NET
> Framework may be used by developers - but they have developed things and
> some of those things - you might use. SOme video card manufacturers use it
> in their video card software, for example. Truthfully - anything could use
> one version of the .NET framework or another.
>
> So my question from you - have you tested all of the software you might use?
> Have any version of Microsoft Office installed? Opened, ran and tested any
> of the Microsoft Office products? Used Internet Explorer much lately? What
> email client do you use? Try all your software - see if it all works - if
> it begins to give you issues - could be related to having no .NET
> Frameworks.
>
> Although - now that you have none - you could install each one manually as
> the instructions I have see tell you to do - to get back up to speed. I'd
> think sooner or later - you will just be hurting yourself - although it is
> possible your netbook-like use of your PC might benefit you for a long time.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
Thank you so much for the reply.

I am really surprised at how well everything seems to be working. I have MS
Office 2000 installed and use Outlook for my mail. That seems to be running
normally. I use Word a lot and that seems fine as well. I keep my budget on
an Excel spreadsheet and that still works. I use IE7 exclusively for my
browsing and have yet to encounter any issues. I use Forte Agent for a
newsreader and would have used that to post here except the Windows Update
site led me here via my browser so I just stayed with it this time not
realizing there was much difference.

The first time around, I went through the cleanup process which removed all
the .NET versions and I did re-install them, one by one, and when I got to
the two updates that originally failed to install, they failed again. Still
not sure what the cause is other than the possibility that I might have
installed IE8, then SP3 for XP, and then removed IE8. My other computers
don't have this issue and have similar setups other than this one possible
combination of events.

I guess it will take some time to try everything but I did notice that
according to my Add/Remove Program list, I still have MS SilverLight
installed. I guess, for now, I'll just keep trying each piece of software
that I have.

Thanks again for your help.

Hey thanks, and you're right, I have Forte Agent but the Update site let me
here via my browser so I just stayed with it. I am very puzzled because
everything seems to be working. But I guess I have more software to test. I
figure it will be obvious when something doesn't work or points out the need
for some .NET component. So, I guess my real question is whether there might
be hidden security issues that I might be making myself vulnerable to without
knowing it.

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:


>
> So, you've fixed your popup problem? ; )
> And did the web interface index my answer to your original Me too!?...
> No. Typical.
>
> So I'll try to build a link to it from your References: header
>
> References: <C7BCAB5D-36E1-4A78-B2E8-> <>
>
> E.g. find one similar and replace its &tid= parameter with one of those.
> Fortunately I don't have to worry about lowercasing the hex characters
> from the Message-ID...
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...8-415C0A3C9DFB
>
> So here is my reply to you from there again:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...337&sloc=en-us
>
>
> BTW you really should try using a real NNTP newsreader,
> at least as long as the web interface is FUBAR as it is presently. ; }
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>
> .
>

Derf McKensy wrote:
> Thank you so much for the reply.
>
> I am really surprised at how well everything seems to be working.
> I have MS Office 2000 installed and use Outlook for my mail. That
> seems to be running normally. I use Word a lot and that seems fine
> as well. I keep my budget on an Excel spreadsheet and that still
> works. I use IE7 exclusively for my browsing and have yet to
> encounter any issues. I use Forte Agent for a newsreader and would
> have used that to post here except the Windows Update site led me
> here via my browser so I just stayed with it this time not
> realizing there was much difference.
>
> The first time around, I went through the cleanup process which
> removed all the .NET versions and I did re-install them, one by
> one, and when I got to the two updates that originally failed to
> install, they failed again. Still not sure what the cause is other
> than the possibility that I might have installed IE8, then SP3 for
> XP, and then removed IE8. My other computers don't have this issue
> and have similar setups other than this one possible combination of
> events.
>
> I guess it will take some time to try everything but I did notice
> that according to my Add/Remove Program list, I still have MS
> SilverLight installed. I guess, for now, I'll just keep trying
> each piece of software that I have.

The reason everything is working for you is likely the age of the products
you are using. Office 2000... That is a few generations behind (2000,
XP/2002, 2003, 2007...) I would personally suggest sticking with IE7 if you
are sticking with Windows XP.

It's entirely plausible you will not ever need any of the .NET Framework's.
Then again - if you ever do - whatever it is should tell you before it
installs (or as it installs) that it has this pre-requisite. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"Derf McKensy" <> wrote in message news:5F861B8B-020F-42A0-8569-...

> So, I guess my real question is whether there might
> be hidden security issues that I might be making myself vulnerable
> to without knowing it.

You could try reading the associated technet security bulletin
with each KB article...

I think one thing to keep in mind is that once a vulnerability is known
exploits of it will be tried just to see if users who are slow to update
can be caught by them.


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