file search fails

Vista Home Premium x64 SP1, HP Pavilion desktop,

file search by partial name fails when filename contains numbers, search
options to include subfolders and find partial matches both checked

example - 5 text files
------------------------------
test1970bar.txt
bar1970test.txt
1970bartest.txt
1970.txt
10027011.txt

here is a list of the partial name search term followed by the files found

70
test1970bar.txt

19
1970bartest.txt
1970.txt

test
test1970bar.txt

bar
bar1970test.txt

70bar
No Filles Found

bar19
bar1970test.txt

txt
test1970bar.txt
bar1970test.txt
1970bartest.txt
1970.txt
10027011.txt

this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix this
problem

On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:28:01 -0700, BC <>
wrote:

>Vista Home Premium x64 SP1, HP Pavilion desktop,
>
>file search by partial name fails when filename contains numbers, search
>options to include subfolders and find partial matches both checked
>
>example - 5 text files
>------------------------------
>test1970bar.txt
>bar1970test.txt
>1970bartest.txt
>1970.txt
>10027011.txt
> ... snip ...
>this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
>security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix this
>problem

The query syntax has changed. For example, the following query will
return .txt files containing the string "70" in their names:

ext:txt name:*70*

Details on the using search and on the new syntax are found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro.../advquery.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...filetypes.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...andtricks.mspx
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/win...529ec1033.mspx
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...6426d1033.mspx
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...dc0d51033.mspx

Doug M. in NJ

The link between not being able to find a few text files (through not using
the correct syntax) and a 'serious security issue' imho is a bit tenuous.

I know that we're supposed to live in perpetual fear of the ever-plotting
ingenious hacker, but even so, that may be stretching it a bit.

--
Jon

"We were very wealthy. The only thing we did not have was money."
(overheard)


"BC" <> wrote in message
news:590DE9BA-BFC4-422D-8997-...
> Vista Home Premium x64 SP1, HP Pavilion desktop,
>
> file search by partial name fails when filename contains numbers, search
> options to include subfolders and find partial matches both checked
>
> example - 5 text files
> ------------------------------
> test1970bar.txt
> bar1970test.txt
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
> 10027011.txt
>
> here is a list of the partial name search term followed by the files found
>
> 70
> test1970bar.txt
>
> 19
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
>
> test
> test1970bar.txt
>
> bar
> bar1970test.txt
>
> 70bar
> No Filles Found
>
> bar19
> bar1970test.txt
>
> txt
> test1970bar.txt
> bar1970test.txt
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
> 10027011.txt
>
> this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
> security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix this
> problem

This IS a serious security issue. We have the same problem at my company.
When we execute searches to find dangerous files, we expect to find them.
But the new search frequently misses them. In XP's file search, we never
had such a problem. In Vista, we've had to go back to using the DIR command
because Vista's search missed so many files. Seems like a step backwards to
me. Why should we have to go back to a command we used in the 80s to
perform a simple task like searching for a file?

"Jon" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The link between not being able to find a few text files (through not
> using the correct syntax) and a 'serious security issue' imho is a bit
> tenuous.
>
> I know that we're supposed to live in perpetual fear of the ever-plotting
> ingenious hacker, but even so, that may be stretching it a bit.
>
> --
> Jon
>
> "We were very wealthy. The only thing we did not have was money."
> (overheard)
>
>
> "BC" <> wrote in message
> news:590DE9BA-BFC4-422D-8997-...
>> Vista Home Premium x64 SP1, HP Pavilion desktop,
>>
>> file search by partial name fails when filename contains numbers, search
>> options to include subfolders and find partial matches both checked
>>
>> example - 5 text files
>> ------------------------------
>> test1970bar.txt
>> bar1970test.txt
>> 1970bartest.txt
>> 1970.txt
>> 10027011.txt
>>
>> here is a list of the partial name search term followed by the files
>> found
>>
>> 70
>> test1970bar.txt
>>
>> 19
>> 1970bartest.txt
>> 1970.txt
>>
>> test
>> test1970bar.txt
>>
>> bar
>> bar1970test.txt
>>
>> 70bar
>> No Filles Found
>>
>> bar19
>> bar1970test.txt
>>
>> txt
>> test1970bar.txt
>> bar1970test.txt
>> 1970bartest.txt
>> 1970.txt
>> 10027011.txt
>>
>> this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
>> security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix
>> this
>> problem
>

BC;1011252 Wrote:
> Vista Home Premium x64 SP1, HP Pavilion desktop,
>
> file search by partial name fails when filename contains numbers,
> search
> options to include subfolders and find partial matches both checked
>
> example - 5 text files
> ------------------------------
> test1970bar.txt
> bar1970test.txt
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
> 10027011.txt
>
> here is a list of the partial name search term followed by the files
> found
>
> 70
> test1970bar.txt
>
> 19
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
>
> test
> test1970bar.txt
>
> bar
> bar1970test.txt
>
> 70bar
> No Filles Found
>
> bar19
> bar1970test.txt
>
> txt
> test1970bar.txt
> bar1970test.txt
> 1970bartest.txt
> 1970.txt
> 10027011.txt
>
> this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
> security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix
> this
> problem

How are you performing the search? Vista SP1 removed all right click
and start search functions (this Search is not the same as the Start
"Search Bar")


Context menu for start/files/folders/drives can be restored:

To restore the context menu, rename or delete the "LegacyDisable" value
under the following registry keys:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\find
HKCR\CompressedFolder\shell\find
HKCR\Drive\shell\find


Advanced Search in Vista opens a search Windows like this:

[image:
http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.p...&d=1238965530]


+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Filename: Capture.GIF |
|Download: http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.p...hmentid=11544|
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

--
rive0108

"SixSigmaGuy" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> This IS a serious security issue. We have the same problem at my company.
> When we execute searches to find dangerous files, we expect to find them.
> But the new search frequently misses them. In XP's file search, we never
> had such a problem. In Vista, we've had to go back to using the DIR
> command because Vista's search missed so many files. Seems like a step
> backwards to me. Why should we have to go back to a command we used in
> the 80s to perform a simple task like searching for a file?
>


The reason is that you're not supposed to find the file.

MS is making clear the separation between the 'System' (the realm of the MS
elites upon which the lowly user may not tread), and the realm of the 'User'
(which is to be content with perusing your documents and watching the odd
video), and not to venture where you're not supposed to. Suitably restricted
in your movements you will be easier to control.

Big Brother Microsoft will take care of all your security needs, so you no
longer have to. Just download the continual updates that keep in you in
perpetual fear of the nasty hacker, and all will be well. They will help you
to ward off any spyware and would never dream of collecting any data on you
themselves to share with third parties.

--
Jon

BC wrote:

> this seems a serious security issue, if files cannot be located then
> security issues cannot be clearly dealt with, is there a patch to fix this
> problem

All I can say is that Search works if one knows how to use it, which
would involve using the Advance Search features.

On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:21:02 +0100, "Jon"
<> wrote:

>
>
>The reason is that you're not supposed to find the file.
>
>MS is making clear the separation between the 'System' (the realm of the MS
>elites upon which the lowly user may not tread), and the realm of the 'User'
>(which is to be content with perusing your documents and watching the odd
>video), and not to venture where you're not supposed to. Suitably restricted
>in your movements you will be easier to control.
>
>Big Brother Microsoft will take care of all your security needs, so you no
>longer have to. Just download the continual updates that keep in you in
>perpetual fear of the nasty hacker, and all will be well. They will help you
>to ward off any spyware and would never dream of collecting any data on you
>themselves to share with third parties.

Just shut off the search indexing service, install Agent Ransack, and
be done with the POS called Vista Search.

Get a life!! Wow, talk about someone who completely misses the point and
comes back with some ridiculous reply like yours. How on Earth do you know
what type of file I'm trying to find? I never said one thing about it. If
you aren't going to try to help, then don't waste people's time in the
newsgroup with such useless replies. We have a serious security problem and
you don't have a clue what we are talking about. So, rather than try to
understand and reply with something helpful, you just make a fool of
yourself with a stupid reply. Notice how the next reply, from +Bob+,
actually says something helpful, rather than just wasted words like yours.
Geezz, do you think there's anyone on here who doesn't already know what you
said in your reply. I guess you just like to state the obvious and treat
everyone else as if they are stupid, rather try to do something useful.

"Jon" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>
> "SixSigmaGuy" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> This IS a serious security issue. We have the same problem at my
>> company. When we execute searches to find dangerous files, we expect to
>> find them. But the new search frequently misses them. In XP's file
>> search, we never had such a problem. In Vista, we've had to go back to
>> using the DIR command because Vista's search missed so many files. Seems
>> like a step backwards to me. Why should we have to go back to a command
>> we used in the 80s to perform a simple task like searching for a file?
>>
>
>
> The reason is that you're not supposed to find the file.
>
> MS is making clear the separation between the 'System' (the realm of the
> MS elites upon which the lowly user may not tread), and the realm of the
> 'User' (which is to be content with perusing your documents and watching
> the odd video), and not to venture where you're not supposed to. Suitably
> restricted in your movements you will be easier to control.
>
> Big Brother Microsoft will take care of all your security needs, so you no
> longer have to. Just download the continual updates that keep in you in
> perpetual fear of the nasty hacker, and all will be well. They will help
> you to ward off any spyware and would never dream of collecting any data
> on you themselves to share with third parties.
>
> --
> Jon
>
>
>

Great advice! Thanks. Can you point me to Agent Ransack? I sure hope
Microsoft is going to fix this in Win7. What were they thinking of when
they made so many changes to the search tool. Adding new features is
wonderful, but don't remove the existing ones that people are already
familiar with.

Thanks,



"+Bob+" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:21:02 +0100, "Jon"
> <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>The reason is that you're not supposed to find the file.
>>
>>MS is making clear the separation between the 'System' (the realm of the
>>MS
>>elites upon which the lowly user may not tread), and the realm of the
>>'User'
>>(which is to be content with perusing your documents and watching the odd
>>video), and not to venture where you're not supposed to. Suitably
>>restricted
>>in your movements you will be easier to control.
>>
>>Big Brother Microsoft will take care of all your security needs, so you no
>>longer have to. Just download the continual updates that keep in you in
>>perpetual fear of the nasty hacker, and all will be well. They will help
>>you
>>to ward off any spyware and would never dream of collecting any data on
>>you
>>themselves to share with third parties.
>
> Just shut off the search indexing service, install Agent Ransack, and
> be done with the POS called Vista Search.
>